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		By: Tatyana		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatyana]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[*rickl,

your every comment [well, starting yesterday at 11:33...at least] is spot on. Bravo.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*rickl,</p>
<p>your every comment [well, starting yesterday at 11:33&#8230;at least] is spot on. Bravo.</p>
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		By: Henry Scuoteguazza		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/08/13/the-dissaffected-obama-voter-enthusiasm-gap-on-the-left/#comment-178844</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry Scuoteguazza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rickl, I actually agree with you on your point about what we&#039;re seeing happening here is more fascist than it is communist. I&#039;ve posted something on this on my blog. I was just commenting that the explanation I heard last night is an attempt to excuse Obama for his lack of the change he promised. If he truly wanted to forge a new path I agree that there are powerful vested interests in his way. The problem is that his own policies such as Obamacare feed into this power structure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rickl, I actually agree with you on your point about what we&#8217;re seeing happening here is more fascist than it is communist. I&#8217;ve posted something on this on my blog. I was just commenting that the explanation I heard last night is an attempt to excuse Obama for his lack of the change he promised. If he truly wanted to forge a new path I agree that there are powerful vested interests in his way. The problem is that his own policies such as Obamacare feed into this power structure.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/08/13/the-dissaffected-obama-voter-enthusiasm-gap-on-the-left/#comment-178747</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 05:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I forgot to mention that the major oil companies, including BP, are in favor of cap &#038; trade legislation and are even helping to write it.

Cap &#038; trade will be a disaster for ordinary people.  It will lower our standard of living by making energy (and everything made using energy) more expensive.  But it will greatly enrich well-connected people both in government and in corporations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention that the major oil companies, including BP, are in favor of cap &amp; trade legislation and are even helping to write it.</p>
<p>Cap &amp; trade will be a disaster for ordinary people.  It will lower our standard of living by making energy (and everything made using energy) more expensive.  But it will greatly enrich well-connected people both in government and in corporations.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/08/13/the-dissaffected-obama-voter-enthusiasm-gap-on-the-left/#comment-178745</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 05:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Henry Scuoteguazza Says: 
August 15th, 2010 at 12:23 am
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt; Their explanation: he is unable to overcome the deep corruption of Washington politiciians at the hands of big business.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

This phenomenon is known as &quot;regulatory capture&quot; and is very much a symbiotic relationship.  The more that government regulates business, the more business lobbies government to write regulations favorable to themselves and not to their competitors.

Big corporations benefit the most from this.  They have entire departments devoted to compliance with tax laws, environmental regulations, OSHA, EEOC, you name it.  They can pony up big bucks for lobbyists and campaign contributions, too.

Small businesses simply don&#039;t have the wherewithal to compete on that level.  When buried under the weight of tons of complicated regulations and tax laws, a small business owner is more likely to just throw up his hands in despair and close up shop.  Needless to say, this is a feature, not a bug, to big corporations.

To expand on my last comment, &#039;fascism&#039; is what you get when the biggest, most powerful capitalists in the private sector compromise with socialists in the government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry Scuoteguazza Says:<br />
August 15th, 2010 at 12:23 am</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p> Their explanation: he is unable to overcome the deep corruption of Washington politiciians at the hands of big business.</p></blockquote>
<p>This phenomenon is known as &#8220;regulatory capture&#8221; and is very much a symbiotic relationship.  The more that government regulates business, the more business lobbies government to write regulations favorable to themselves and not to their competitors.</p>
<p>Big corporations benefit the most from this.  They have entire departments devoted to compliance with tax laws, environmental regulations, OSHA, EEOC, you name it.  They can pony up big bucks for lobbyists and campaign contributions, too.</p>
<p>Small businesses simply don&#8217;t have the wherewithal to compete on that level.  When buried under the weight of tons of complicated regulations and tax laws, a small business owner is more likely to just throw up his hands in despair and close up shop.  Needless to say, this is a feature, not a bug, to big corporations.</p>
<p>To expand on my last comment, &#8216;fascism&#8217; is what you get when the biggest, most powerful capitalists in the private sector compromise with socialists in the government.</p>
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		By: Henry Scuoteguazza		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry Scuoteguazza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 04:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was at a party tonight where I overheard two liberals expressing their disappointment in Obama&#039;s inability to deliver on the promise for change. Their explanation: he is unable to overcome the deep corruption of Washington politiciians at the hands of big business. No mention of maybe trying to apply wrong ideas! Or the futility of continuing to apply the tired, unsuccessful liberal panacea of throwing billions and trillions of dollars at problems.

I&#039;m not saying this is going to become the universal liberal mantra to explain Obama&#039;s failures. I am intrigued though by the delusional mental gymnastics of some of his supporters to explain away his failures.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at a party tonight where I overheard two liberals expressing their disappointment in Obama&#8217;s inability to deliver on the promise for change. Their explanation: he is unable to overcome the deep corruption of Washington politiciians at the hands of big business. No mention of maybe trying to apply wrong ideas! Or the futility of continuing to apply the tired, unsuccessful liberal panacea of throwing billions and trillions of dollars at problems.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying this is going to become the universal liberal mantra to explain Obama&#8217;s failures. I am intrigued though by the delusional mental gymnastics of some of his supporters to explain away his failures.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 03:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain Says: 
August 14th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

No, I don&#039;t think another civil war would be a good thing, but I do believe that it is a near certainty.  I made my earlier comment because I figure that arresting and prosecuting leftists is preferable to simply hunting them down and killing them.  For now.  Although we would be a lot better off today if we had executed more Communists in the 50s and 60s.  Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were only the tip of the iceberg.

This country has not been so deeply divided since 1861.  Roughly half the population believes in limited Constitutional government and free-market capitalism, while the other half supports command-and-control socialism combined with big-city machine politics and a racial spoils system.  The two sides are irreconcilable.  No compromise is possible, and compromise would not be desirable even if it &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt; possible.  

As Ayn Rand said, &quot;When good compromises with evil, only evil benefits.&quot;

I said above that I think civil war is a near certainty.  Is it inevitable?  No, but we need a lot more &#039;changers&#039; and we need them in a hurry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey Britain Says:<br />
August 14th, 2010 at 3:09 pm</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t think another civil war would be a good thing, but I do believe that it is a near certainty.  I made my earlier comment because I figure that arresting and prosecuting leftists is preferable to simply hunting them down and killing them.  For now.  Although we would be a lot better off today if we had executed more Communists in the 50s and 60s.  Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were only the tip of the iceberg.</p>
<p>This country has not been so deeply divided since 1861.  Roughly half the population believes in limited Constitutional government and free-market capitalism, while the other half supports command-and-control socialism combined with big-city machine politics and a racial spoils system.  The two sides are irreconcilable.  No compromise is possible, and compromise would not be desirable even if it <i>were</i> possible.  </p>
<p>As Ayn Rand said, &#8220;When good compromises with evil, only evil benefits.&#8221;</p>
<p>I said above that I think civil war is a near certainty.  Is it inevitable?  No, but we need a lot more &#8216;changers&#8217; and we need them in a hurry.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 03:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John Says: 
August 14th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
From your link:
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt; Look, imagine what would happen if we were to enact some sort of potty training Equalization of Opportunity Act in which we regularized the distribution all of Johanna&#039;s and Aiden&#039;s potty chart stickers. Suddenly it would seem as if Aiden had earned the right to wear big-boy underpants, and within minutes you&#039;d have a Taggart Tunnel-esque catastrophe on your hands, if you follow me.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
LOL!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Says:<br />
August 14th, 2010 at 3:58 pm<br />
From your link:</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p> Look, imagine what would happen if we were to enact some sort of potty training Equalization of Opportunity Act in which we regularized the distribution all of Johanna&#8217;s and Aiden&#8217;s potty chart stickers. Suddenly it would seem as if Aiden had earned the right to wear big-boy underpants, and within minutes you&#8217;d have a Taggart Tunnel-esque catastrophe on your hands, if you follow me.</p></blockquote>
<p>LOL!</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 20:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain:
&lt;i&gt;Or is some strange convergence in the atmosphere drawing a higher than normal percentage of the formerly liberal to this blog? &lt;/i&gt;

Blog readers/net surfers check out blogs and usually spend more time on those they find more compatible. Post Liberals - AVI&#039;s term- quickly find out that this is a Post Liberal blog. It is not &quot;strange convergence,&quot; but filtering/selecting for compatibility.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey Britain:<br />
<i>Or is some strange convergence in the atmosphere drawing a higher than normal percentage of the formerly liberal to this blog? </i></p>
<p>Blog readers/net surfers check out blogs and usually spend more time on those they find more compatible. Post Liberals &#8211; AVI&#8217;s term- quickly find out that this is a Post Liberal blog. It is not &#8220;strange convergence,&#8221; but filtering/selecting for compatibility.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 19:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While we are on the subject of the left&#039;s disdain for and condescending view of all things conservative I ran across this:

&quot;Our Daughter Isn&#039;t a Selfish Brat; Your Son Just Hasn&#039;t Read Atlas Shrugged.&quot;

http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2010/8/12hague.html

In the real world studies have shown that conservatives give to charities a lot more freely than do those on the left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we are on the subject of the left&#8217;s disdain for and condescending view of all things conservative I ran across this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Our Daughter Isn&#8217;t a Selfish Brat; Your Son Just Hasn&#8217;t Read Atlas Shrugged.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2010/8/12hague.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2010/8/12hague.html</a></p>
<p>In the real world studies have shown that conservatives give to charities a lot more freely than do those on the left.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 19:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As regular readers of this blog know, my personal transformation from a liberal &quot;useful idiot&quot; to a neocon independently mirrors neo&#039;s transformation. I too have many liberal family and friends and wonder, is this the norm? Or is some strange convergence in the atmosphere drawing a higher than normal percentage of the formerly liberal to this blog? 

On another note, rickl&#039;s statement, &lt;i&gt;&quot;If the Republicans win in November, they need to get serious. No more “reaching across the aisle” to their “esteemed colleagues”. They have to take the gloves off, and publicly call out Progressives as enemies of America. There must be investigations and criminal prosecutions.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; requires a response. 

Be careful what you wish for and advocate, the &#039;law of unintended consequences&#039; never rests. 

Consider this statement, [Obama]&quot;granted full-scale legal immunity to those who committed serious crimes in the last administration.&quot; a statement of dissatisfaction with Obama on the left, many of whom want to prosecute most of the top leadership of the Bush administration for &#039;war crimes&#039;...so unless you think another civil war is a good thing, you might think twice knowing that in such a war, many of our loved ones will die. 

Perhaps it shall come to that but lets not unnecessarily and unwisely contribute to that eventuality manifesting. 

There are lots of ways to take it to the left without getting into legal conflict. Defunding the left, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/summary.asp?object=Organization&#038;category=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;exposing the left&#039;s networks&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/summary.asp?object=Organization&#038;category=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;real goals&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is an excellent place to start.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As regular readers of this blog know, my personal transformation from a liberal &#8220;useful idiot&#8221; to a neocon independently mirrors neo&#8217;s transformation. I too have many liberal family and friends and wonder, is this the norm? Or is some strange convergence in the atmosphere drawing a higher than normal percentage of the formerly liberal to this blog? </p>
<p>On another note, rickl&#8217;s statement, <i>&#8220;If the Republicans win in November, they need to get serious. No more “reaching across the aisle” to their “esteemed colleagues”. They have to take the gloves off, and publicly call out Progressives as enemies of America. There must be investigations and criminal prosecutions.&#8221;</i> requires a response. </p>
<p>Be careful what you wish for and advocate, the &#8216;law of unintended consequences&#8217; never rests. </p>
<p>Consider this statement, [Obama]&#8221;granted full-scale legal immunity to those who committed serious crimes in the last administration.&#8221; a statement of dissatisfaction with Obama on the left, many of whom want to prosecute most of the top leadership of the Bush administration for &#8216;war crimes&#8217;&#8230;so unless you think another civil war is a good thing, you might think twice knowing that in such a war, many of our loved ones will die. </p>
<p>Perhaps it shall come to that but lets not unnecessarily and unwisely contribute to that eventuality manifesting. </p>
<p>There are lots of ways to take it to the left without getting into legal conflict. Defunding the left, <a href="http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/summary.asp?object=Organization&amp;category=" rel="nofollow"><b>exposing the left&#8217;s networks</b></a> and <a href="http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/summary.asp?object=Organization&amp;category=" rel="nofollow"><b>real goals</b></a> is an excellent place to start.</p>
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