Comments on: Coming soon to a country near you: decoy Jews?

By: will

will — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 22:09:50 +0000

Lack of leadership and cowardice. This mess has been brewing in Western Europe for quite some time. I saw some some of this aggression when I was in France and Holland a few years ago. The inmates are running the asylum. It’s gotten really bad. I’m on the net with some folks in the UK who are beyond the level of disgust at what’s become of the country. They have to be very, very careful as to what they say or write, lest they be prosecuted for hate crimes. Here, we have a de facto anti-Semite in the White House, and a Vichy Mayor in New York. The rats have been working and gaming the system here, in the same manner they have on the other side of the Atlantic. I don’t need to list the outrages, everyone knows what’s happening. Even unstated, the signals from on high are being interpeted, whether it’s Mexicans from the South, or the Islamic death squad du jour: You’re welcome to come and do what you will, you have friends here, be damned what “those people” want. Personally, I’m becoming increasinly hardened in my feelings on these matters. I hope that things change, I really do.

By: Daniel in Brookline

Daniel in Brookline — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 21:14:07 +0000

Slightly off-topic (and about four years old): Dan Simmons' short story "The Visitor". What would a visitor from the near future want to tell us about Islam, and its relationship with the West? I just reread it; it aged better than I expected it would. DiB

By: Richard Aubrey

Richard Aubrey — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 21:13:20 +0000

neo.
You’re right. So am I. Good thing, given how the rest of my day’s going.

You’ll note that the Greens et al have an implication they would probably not want made explicit.
The decoys constitute entrapment because the Muslim attackers CANNNOT HELP THEMSELVES. QED.
Now, of course, the Greens et al don’t actually mean this, but the only thing they can say about this is that it’s entrapment. They have no other path. But the implication, whether they mean it or not, inevitably follows.

By: neo-neocon

neo-neocon — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:48:19 +0000

david: it's not entrapment because the decoys are not doing anything except walking around dressed as Jews. This cannot constitute provocation; Jews have every right to walk around. If they were walking around insulting or taunting Muslims, for example, that might in some circumstances constitute entrapment or provocation.

By: Artfldgr

Artfldgr — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:45:51 +0000

You will search for it in vain in the political landscape, even with the most powerful telescope. Today the political struggle is expressed by the choice of what a person eats and drinks, whom he loves, what he does in his spare time, whose company he seeks, whether he smiles or frowns, what pictures he hangs on his walls.

and Hux and most others are looking for jack boots and outward symbols, not inward games…

that you cant see it unless you know what to look for

and you dont know waht to look for

unless you have experience seeing it

and so relativism, and the mental games taught over the years neutralized each thing that haffner talks about.

some of these neutralization started 20 or 30 years ago, till we have nothing to replace them with as we forgot how it was.

if we recognized the disparate impact arguments against the Jews, would we have let WOMEN use them to divide the country and people?

probably not since women were so full of creating a new world… as they were back in germany then as weimar just gave them the vote..

and hitlers books point out that the youth and women are important… (the men are the protectors.. so once marginalized the people are defenseless).

By: Richard Aubrey

Richard Aubrey — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:43:58 +0000

David.
The laws about entrapment here refer to the crime being suggested and enabled by the government agent.
IOW, an agent cannot convince a gang to rob a bank, do some homework on the security system and organize the heist.
Decoys are people who look like easy marks; Policewomen walking where rape attempts have been reported, small cops made up like elderly women in expensive coats, cars with the keys left in them along with lo-jack-like devices and remote ignition stop.
Difference is that the choice in the second case is the perp’s own idea facilitated in no way by the government. He has the opportunity to let the potential victim continue unmolested, the car left at the curb.
Now, if you consider that certain people simply can’t help themselves any more than Pavlov’s dogs could keep themselves from salivating by an act of conscience, then perhaps providing a decoy counts as entrapment.
But if that’s the case, we have really serious problems with these folks and how we get them to announce themselves is secondary.

By: david

david — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:03:51 +0000

I support the Dutch government using “decoy Jews,” and hope the practice spreads elsewhere (for example, Sweden, France, UK).

However, as a non-lawyer, something in the original article puzzled me: “If the laws about provoking a crime are at all similar to the entrapment laws here, the Greens have no case at all.”

While I can understand on a moral basis why this statement is so, the law is often related only tangentially to morality, and if it’s not too complicated, could somebody explain why this would not represent entrapment.

By: Bob From Virginia

Bob From Virginia — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 03:26:58 +0000

Today’s threat is much more discrete and subtle than the one encountered in the 1930’s. Read this week’s Krauthammer. Obama is trying to set up an dictatorship of the bureaucrat. The good news is that so many are on to him.

He may be the biggest threat the US ever faced.

By: reg

reg — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 02:50:41 +0000

mike Mc
quite right the truly moderate muslim is an elusive beast.they do exist,they do understand the difference between belief and knowledge.but they are easily frightened creatures(decapitation scares them). essentially speaking they ,like the vast majority of the human race, want to be left alone to live their lives in peace.
stupidity is the natural human state. it doesn’t really take much dumbing down.

By: Mike Mc.

Mike Mc. — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 02:18:54 +0000

Reg,

The terms “Church” and “State” are both Western (Christian) terms. Applying them to Islam is probably a mistake unless you know ahead of time it’s an analogy and only goes so far.

There is no Muslim “Church”. There is no Muslim “State”. There is the Dar al Islam and then everything else.

Even the term “moderate” is a Western term. It basically derives from Aristotle’s Ethics, and today it is even mostly misunderstood in the West.

The main and central reason why we are in so much trouble today is that we’ve been dumbed down for over a generation now. People say things and use terms and they don’t know what they mean any more.

The concept of a moderate muslim is like the concept of a robotic potato. The two terms don’t belong together at all and they only seem to make sense since each term has its own meaning.

In this case, the term “moderate” can only mean Muslim who is not going to kill you. If any Muslim who does not murder you is ipso facto “moderate” then we are in differnt intellectual galaxies.