http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/25624/

2) As one guy says:
Andre Aahrle, whose company Special Security Service says it handles about 1,000 big events per year, said Germany’s current requirements are already enough.

“The rules are absolutely sufficient, but only if they are respected,” Aahrle said.

As is often the case with things like this — someone ignores not only the rules but the reasons for the rules. I’m a big fan of flexible rules — but that does require a modicum of sense and rational consideration when you choose to violate their strictest intent.

the whole movie of soviet story is up online…

“Anyone who thinks communist socialism is less evil than Hitler’s National Socialism needs to scrape up the courage to watch The Soviet Story:”

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/07/socialism-laid.html

which i would suggest seeing before one sees

Oliver Stone: ‘Jewish-Dominated Media’ Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed ‘in Context’

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/alana-goodman/2010/07/25/oliver-stone-jewish-dominated-media-prevents-hitler-being-portrayed-c#ixzz=

sine they love heidekker and others, they are going to have to clean up their heroes..

so they will use the media to do so. as i said, the progressive Jews separating Jews from the rest in the holocaust facilitated its repeat…

that the progressives have hated jews since they are the resevoir of judeo christian thought which was completely against the desires of people like Moses Harmon and his newsletter Lucifer Bringer of Light..

his daughter and others created modern feminism… (and falsely associated other actions in history as if they were inspired by the same thing to give them historical certainty going back to before cave men times – plays a good vanity card too)

Stone said that his upcoming Showtime documentary series “Secret History of America,” seeks to put Hitler and Communist dictator Joseph Stalin “in context.”

probably the same context that zinn and durante gave. I doubt it will be any different than his other soviet active measures adopted for the screen….

“Hitler was a Frankenstein but there was also a Dr Frankenstein. German industrialists, the Americans and the British. He had a lot of support,”
Stone said that, “Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than the Jewish people, 25 or 30 [million killed].”

Of course someone will crow up, as a Pavlovian response that what i said about the way the people of the Jewish faith did things was for a different reason. [same people who have yet to go back and read what has been changed]

anyone here wants to go into soviet story, the whole movie, and hear what they tell you happened to the German concentration camps after the war?

FDR signed them to Stalin who continued using them to exterminate Jews and others…

“The Jewish domination of the media,” responded Stone. “There’s a major lobby in the United States. They are hard workers. They stay on top of every comment, the most powerful lobby in Washington. Israel has f***** up United States foreign policy for years.”

they have EXACTLY the same attitude of the german people through the arguments of disparate impact.
that is, their success (not everyone else) is proof of their evil / just as mens success (not womens) is proof of their evil / whites success (not others), is proof of their evil

and all of them are slated for what end under progressivism and have been acted upon for 100 years?

the people who said they would never scapegoat, turned their whole male population into the oppressor group and the women did the scapegoating. (other groups are a lot smaller)

The director, who recently met with Iranian President Ahmadinejad, also slammed the U.S. policy toward Iran as “horrible.”

“The internet’s fully free [in Venezuela],” said Stone. “You can say what the hell you like. Compare it with all the other countries: Mexico, Guatemala, above all Colombia, which is a joke.”

as in germany, you can be sure that after events, these will make sure your given the right minds.

or rather, you continue to have the right minds which you dont want to change…

sorry about the diversion… no place else to put it

These were NOT children. I followed the link to the article that Neo included in her article. It said:

“Police said those killed were between the ages of 18 and 38.”

38 year old children? 30 year old children? 25 year old children? Where does childhood stop? At the age of 18, a young man or woman can vote, buy a house, or pick up a gun and cross the ocean to defend our nation. We don’t let children do that. Those are the provinces of adults. In my mind, this seems to circle back to my belief that we are allowing our feelings and beliefs about real children (I’m talking infants, toddlers, grade schoolers and the like) to creep into our feelings for young adults who died a senseless and tragic death.

This seems to be a visceral issue… one of those things you feel in your firmware. You either picture these people as children and that enhances the horror, or you see them as adults and you do not feel the added horror of losing children.

If we are really talking about a true emotional difference regarding the death of a young adult (or as Neo originally categorized them… “young people”) and an elderly person, then let’s stop calling these young adults “children.” That just muddies the water.

Dr. Mabuse – I assure you that I am not hyper-rationally weighing the value of life on scales. This is a visceral issue for me, too. My mother is still reasonably healthy (not yet in the “failing” state that Neo described). I do not believe that I would feel significantly less grief for her “untimely” death than I would for my 27 year old son’s. Does that make me a hyper rational Randite?

gs – you raise valid points that tend to indicate fewer significant contributions by older people to society. I was thinking of articles I have read in magazines such as Discovery in which people in their late 50s and 60s still seem to be in the forefront of their fields. But I freely confess that I can dredge up no specifics to bolster that memory. So that reduces my comment to unsubstantiated anecdote.

As for valuable contributions, it is no less possible for a person in his/her 60’s or 70’s to make an extraordinary contribution to society… a little research would likely find countless scientific discoveries made by wise older men and women BECAUSE of their wisdom and the skills they sharpened over their lifetimes. Would it not be especially “poignant” to miss a cure for cancer that was about to be discovered by a seasoned researcher because he died in an accident in his mid 60’s?

According to Isaac Newton, 23 or 24 was “the prime of my age for invention”. Einstein’s Nobel Prize work was done at 26. When they figured out the structure of DNA, Crick was in his mid 30s and Watson in his mid 20s.

In order to evade Neo’s spam filter, I have not given hyperlinks, but the above is easy to verify.

The statement that ‘the heart has reasons that reason knows not of’ can also be valid the other way. We may–afaic sometimes we should–overrule reason but IMO we shouldn’t ignore it even at its most inhuman.

Morally, there is no difference – we don’t have stiffer penalties for killing a young person rather than an old one. But to pretend that to be “fair” we should simply aim for a level-headed “neuter” position when considering the level of regret appropriate in either case is absurd. It’s like expressing surprise that a person feels more upset over the death of a family member than over that of a stranger. Aren’t they both equally dead? Well, yes, but the emotional reaction is naturally different.

I also noted that you suggested the deaths were more tragic for the ages of those deceased. This is strange to me. Would it have been better had they been octogenarians and above? I can see, in cases where choices have to be made, where qualitative(s) might come into play (either by choice or resource limits). But I cannot see how the grief or tragedy would be less by any demographic measure. An emotional sense, by you while writing or a thought picked up and transferred here without a thought?