In 2008 taught anything it it that there are a lot of immature silly people out there. It is conceivable as Neo pointed out, that the Republicans will run someone so unacceptable that the mainstream independents will stay home. Although if the 1980 election is any guide, such a Republican candidate would have to be a Nazi pedophile (I’m referring to the fact the mainstream saw Reagan as an extreme rightist and finally only accepted him in desperation to get rid of Carter).

http://www.businessinsider.com/22-statistics-that-prove-the-middle-class-is-being-systematically-wiped-out-of-existence-in-america-2010-7

that is, the way this works is that they put him up
they find out and dont like him
they then go nuts to get him out, and THAT facilitates taking some form of action.

ObamaZombies Beginning To Turn On Obama:
“You P***k You Lied to Us You D**k”!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8W3qzJpUHU&feature=player_embedded

You CAN read it and learn it, its not a secret, and its close to 100 years old…

Some have, such that his current approval rating is less than half of the electorate.

Geoffrey Britain said:
The poll numbers show that the liberal fools, the useful idiots who voted for zero haven’t learned, his drop in the polls is due to independents dropping their support for Obama.
He’s down to his base and only more major foul-ups by Obama will erode his support further, a likelihood over the remainder of his term.

There will always be those “true believers” who vote for their Party, regardless of the reality…

Law-abiding Germans turned in their weapons when ordered, because they trusted the legal authorities and never imagined that their trust could be used against them.

however they didnt turn them in… they went block to block, zone to zone after restricting movement. so you had curfews and rations… and you have high crime and peoples movements restricted for those conditions. then what happens in one zone is not known in another zone…

also, they didnt take everyones guns, they only took the oppressor class guns. many to most Germans kept there. again, like the neimoller poem. and they accepted it happy that the force didn’t turn towards them.

this isnt germany… and nothing plays out the same
but they do copy a lot and it does repeat.

i do know that they have been sitting in think tanks year to year and other states organs as well, thinking and thinking and they have angles i have no idea of. dont think they dont. as they will not try unless they have it sewn up. ever see obama ad lib? collectivists have to discuss…

and GB, I never said the military
there is such a thing as an administrative coup
in which the people doing their jobs are confused as whether they should do something.

as i said, it doesn’t happen the way it does in poor states. Germany was not a poor state as far as its economic social level (financially for the moment it was).

the problem is that the average person having very little experience, doesn’t know which side to take.
and the military has been giving out nice questionnaires and sorting its solders accordingly.

technically its the national guard, police, swat, and volunteers, with americorps that would predominately face the public. as i said above they can use the posse commitatus to advantage.

if you have Spanish, whites and blacks shooting at each other in the streets and breaking property.. what side does the military take? [this is not a prediction its a tactical example of the bind]

if you were the butter bars out there, and you were told to handle the situation, and it boiled down to these groups running around. what would you do?

what if there is automatic fire or a grenade?

if you say go in and start fighting and hold the place down.. you just described them doing what you said they wouldn’t and being forced into it by circumstances. if you say stand your ground, then you just abandoned all the other people there not part of it..

if you say lock down each block to prevent movement so that such actions cant explode.. you just created the same end and there was no opposition to shoot at or attack…

with players and games you can easily make it so that it changes power structure.

at what point do you think the military guys will decide to take control of washington to stop the laws being made that are tearing it apart worse? and will they all be in agreement?

your words as to the coupe, as others, belie that you have no idea who shoots at whom. or that a shot isnt even necessary.

one thing you learn from people who prey on people if you spend time with them. they are much more clever as to how to move people around without them even realizing it… or putting them into situations and forcing their hands in ways they never thought possible.

easiest way though is not military, which is what i said up there. its screw the food. and food and fuel are now linked and obama just crapped on farming in such a way that it may get interesting.

food lines and rations get what a military coup cant.

and organizations like the women and minorities offices have people willing to play certain other games.

and that gets that nice german word into play..
[and when you read people using similar words to that word in translation, and they dont know it. its interesting]

oh and here is a piss…
i somehow got to this
http://www.trickortreatforunicef.ca/pdf/The-Story-of-Two-Donkeys.pdf

and remembered the graphics from my childhood.
what i didnt remember whas this

The donkeys demonstrate the interconnectedness of all our actions and the power of arriving at solutions cooperatively. The situation faced by the donkeys can be related to a discussion of social justice. How do countries act like the donkeys? Do they share their wealth and resources with other countries, especially poorer countries? Is there a way Canada can work cooperatively with another country so more people have their needs met? Use this activity as a prelude to showing the UNICEF DVD on Schools for Africa.

German citizens did have guns. what happened was they used the licenses to know where and who had them and whose homes to go to. they then collected the guns of what was considered then, the oppressor class (as being used in todays vernacular).

And this is one of the reasons why American gun owners are so adamantly opposed to licensing and registration. A “license” is permission from the government, not a right. The Second Amendment says nothing about asking permission.

Law-abiding Germans turned in their weapons when ordered, because they trusted the legal authorities and never imagined that their trust could be used against them.

Americans tend to be naturally skeptical about authority, and we have the example of the Germans to reinforce that healthy skepticism.

No personal offense was intended and sometimes, no hidden motive is present. I have no animosity toward you and no desire to engage in personal attack.

I’ll leave it up to others to decide whether they interpret “what appears to be, at least partially, paranoia driven fears” as offensive enough to merit your response.

I immediately followed that observation with an admission that I could be wrong and you in the right and, that if events bore out that outcome I’d admit it. Hardly the behavior of someone looking to insult another.

I did address the pertinent premises of your argument; that the military would support a coup and that the American people would “go along” with a coup, like sheep to the slaughter.

Premises are unprovable, they are assumptions based upon perceptions that only later events either prove or disprove.

That is why all the information and debating points is irrelevant because all of your information is being interpreted through the filter of your premises. If those premises are correct you are prescient and I the gullible fool. If my premises are correct, you are the one who is mistaken.

The historical examples you have previously cited to “prove” that the US military would shoot American civilians en masse I do not accept as definitive. Rioting students at Kent State is not the same thing as millions of Americans holding peaceful protests with the majority of Americans supporting those protests. Nor was MacArthur chasing veterans out of their tent city in Wash. DC the same thing as middle class Americans saying that they will not turn in their guns.

For the military to force them to do so, would be to betray their oath to the Constitution’s infrastructural foundation of inalienable rights. The military would be stating that our rights are NOT inalienable because not only can they be taken away but that they will use force to enforce that denial of rights.

It would destroy America’s trust in its military by tossing out the Bill of Rights and inarguably establish tyranny. I believe that should push come to shove, the military will support Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln not Obama.

Clearly, my premises differ from yours, time will tell which of ours is more firmly based in reality.

the reason is that we assume Germans didn’t have guns. however at that time, when you went back home from war, you got to keep your guns. German citizens did have guns. what happened was they used the licenses to know where and who had them and whose homes to go to. they then collected the guns of what was considered then, the oppressor class (as being used in todays vernacular).

basically that poem by neidermoller describes it well, first them came for.. basically it starts with one thing or another thing, maybe after an incident. given shabaaz, and holder and that, it may not be too far off.

though as far as control… when the food problems hit from the effects of the financial bill on farmers, they will ration it, and when they do, it doesn’t mater much as they pick winners and losers and we all hunker down.

the problem is that people cant imagine the changes so they cant believe its possible. but its very possible. its also possible it will start and fail. or they will not start and pull back for some reason (like external forces making it too dangerous to go forward).

the problem is that none of this is good.

as to your last lines i agree. but the problem is that the minute you start fighting, thats when they win because of how that fighting is then transmitted to everyone else (and whats going on there too).

in truth, the extra factors are what worry me. the gangs, the nutjobs, the people who have been listening to some pretty funky hateful lyrics and practice the stone cold look.

today in the news on TV, a young man, and what were a couple of young boys, holding a gun to the head of a 65 year old man. if you note carefully they did a crop job so you cant see the white old man cower as the young laughing sadistic yutes did their thing.

as soon as a few do something and get off, its going to get real nasty…

if it gets nasty enough, we, as in most people who dont know much, are going to beg for help. to be saved from the actions of all these people.

and that farm part of the bill can make it that nasty.

by limiting key resources so that someone has to divide it up, and then what?

I can and have explained the mechanisms, terms, papers, and principals of action and how they work… please explain the mechanisms as to how and why, and do not rely on some magical quality that Americans receive when they arrived on these shores from the same countries that such games worked previously in (over and over).

I agree with you for the most part, and you have certainly been right more often than not over the past couple of years.

There certainly are far too many people who think “it can’t happen here” and are in outright denial.

But America is an exceptional nation, although the progressives have been trying hard to breed and educate it out of us. They haven’t completely succeeded. Many of us still cherish our liberty and our founding documents, and take the concept of limited government seriously.

There’s another important factor: the Second Amendment. Millions and millions of Americans are gun owners, and sales of guns and ammo have been breaking records ever since Obama was elected, which have led to higher prices and even shortages in some cases. There are also plenty of brand-new first-time gun buyers participating in this buying frenzy.

There are many reasons for this. Some are concerned about potential new anti-gun regulations and taxes and are hoping to be grandfathered in to any new restrictions. Some are preparing for the possibility of increased crime as the economy continues to deteriorate.

And some are expecting serious trouble, including civil war, and are preparing as best they can. Any governmental effort to seize total power is going to have to find a way to disarm millions of American patriots. We know enough about history to know what happens after that, and we are not going to give up our weapons without a fight.