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		By: Don Rodrigo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/07/06/obamacare-and-running-out-of-other-peoples-money/#comment-170296</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Rodrigo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If a &quot;portable health insurance&quot; were a reality, many of those &quot;victimized&quot; by pre-existing condition clauses would have had coverage.

Guess who has the equivalent of a portable heatlh insurance requirement? Correct, federal workers! I assume that many state employees have similar insurance-provider choice arangements. Large private firms&#039; HRs could handle multiple insurers, but small firms can resort to the HR-contract firms that many small companies already use. These are HR-specialist outfits that act as the HR office for a multitude of small business clients. Such outfits already have to carry policies from multiple insurance companies. The difference under a portable insurance mandate would be that the employee clients would not be differentiated by which firm they&#039;re employed, but by who their insurance company is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a &#8220;portable health insurance&#8221; were a reality, many of those &#8220;victimized&#8221; by pre-existing condition clauses would have had coverage.</p>
<p>Guess who has the equivalent of a portable heatlh insurance requirement? Correct, federal workers! I assume that many state employees have similar insurance-provider choice arangements. Large private firms&#8217; HRs could handle multiple insurers, but small firms can resort to the HR-contract firms that many small companies already use. These are HR-specialist outfits that act as the HR office for a multitude of small business clients. Such outfits already have to carry policies from multiple insurance companies. The difference under a portable insurance mandate would be that the employee clients would not be differentiated by which firm they&#8217;re employed, but by who their insurance company is.</p>
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		By: suek		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/07/06/obamacare-and-running-out-of-other-peoples-money/#comment-170287</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[suek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 17:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062;&#062;A cynic would say that Obamacare never was supposed to work. It is a Trojan horse designed to crash so badly that a government run health care plan will look like the only option. The Democrats know this and are waiting for the day.&#062;&#062;

Bingo.

Guess I number among the cynics...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;A cynic would say that Obamacare never was supposed to work. It is a Trojan horse designed to crash so badly that a government run health care plan will look like the only option. The Democrats know this and are waiting for the day.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Bingo.</p>
<p>Guess I number among the cynics&#8230;</p>
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		By: Stark		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/07/06/obamacare-and-running-out-of-other-peoples-money/#comment-170284</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 16:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The upcoming elections should have a new bumper sticker  REPEAL OBAMA......CARE!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The upcoming elections should have a new bumper sticker  REPEAL OBAMA&#8230;&#8230;CARE!</p>
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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/07/06/obamacare-and-running-out-of-other-peoples-money/#comment-170283</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Assistant Village Idiot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 16:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They present providing government services as a moral good, forever assuming we can afford them.  (I could argue that they are morally mixed, regardless of affordability, but that&#039;s another discussion.)  If one tries to argue the morals - &lt;i&gt;is it more important for people to have jobs or health care&lt;/i&gt; - they evade that by insisting we can have both.  If you go after that practical assumption - &lt;i&gt;can we indeed afford both&lt;/i&gt; - they turn it back into a moral question, that we must afford it because it is right.  You see the trick? Answer the moral question with a practical answer, the practical question with a moral answer, always refusing to actually discuss the morality or practicality with any precision.

It&#039;s not a trick, actually, nor a tactic, at least not for most.  They actually do think this way, and so it just spills out of their mouths.  Precision in thought is avoided.  The fact that some people are rich means that there is extra money floating around in society which should be available for &quot;better&quot; use.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They present providing government services as a moral good, forever assuming we can afford them.  (I could argue that they are morally mixed, regardless of affordability, but that&#8217;s another discussion.)  If one tries to argue the morals &#8211; <i>is it more important for people to have jobs or health care</i> &#8211; they evade that by insisting we can have both.  If you go after that practical assumption &#8211; <i>can we indeed afford both</i> &#8211; they turn it back into a moral question, that we must afford it because it is right.  You see the trick? Answer the moral question with a practical answer, the practical question with a moral answer, always refusing to actually discuss the morality or practicality with any precision.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a trick, actually, nor a tactic, at least not for most.  They actually do think this way, and so it just spills out of their mouths.  Precision in thought is avoided.  The fact that some people are rich means that there is extra money floating around in society which should be available for &#8220;better&#8221; use.</p>
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		By: Mr. Frank		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/07/06/obamacare-and-running-out-of-other-peoples-money/#comment-170231</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 03:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A cynic would say that Obamacare never was supposed to work. It is a Trojan horse designed to crash so badly that a government run health care plan will look like the only option. The Democrats know this and are waiting for the day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A cynic would say that Obamacare never was supposed to work. It is a Trojan horse designed to crash so badly that a government run health care plan will look like the only option. The Democrats know this and are waiting for the day.</p>
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		By: The Elephant's Child		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/07/06/obamacare-and-running-out-of-other-peoples-money/#comment-170217</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Elephant's Child]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 02:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Massachusetts&#039; health care plan was supposed to be the model for national health care. My understanding is that it is now the most expensive in the country, doctors have left Massachusetts in droves, and that it is essentially broke. (I&#039;m from the other side of the country, so I rely on press reports) And it&#039;s only been a little over 3 years.

ObamaCare has far more goofy mandates -- like the 100 new bureaus, and all kinds of things that studies have shown do not work where they have been tried.  I desperately hope it can be repealed, for the only thing sure to cut costs is cutting treatments and services allowed for Medicare patients, which as deep admirers of Britain&#039;s NHS and NICE they are looking forward to.  

So how long (if it is not repealed) would you give it before it goes bankrupt? Or will they do like the Germans, and keep goosing it along with constant tinkering? By that time there won&#039;t be any money left to invest in the program.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Massachusetts&#8217; health care plan was supposed to be the model for national health care. My understanding is that it is now the most expensive in the country, doctors have left Massachusetts in droves, and that it is essentially broke. (I&#8217;m from the other side of the country, so I rely on press reports) And it&#8217;s only been a little over 3 years.</p>
<p>ObamaCare has far more goofy mandates &#8212; like the 100 new bureaus, and all kinds of things that studies have shown do not work where they have been tried.  I desperately hope it can be repealed, for the only thing sure to cut costs is cutting treatments and services allowed for Medicare patients, which as deep admirers of Britain&#8217;s NHS and NICE they are looking forward to.  </p>
<p>So how long (if it is not repealed) would you give it before it goes bankrupt? Or will they do like the Germans, and keep goosing it along with constant tinkering? By that time there won&#8217;t be any money left to invest in the program.</p>
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		By: Curtis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Curtis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 01:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The certainty for Obamanomics is that spend, spend, spend results in debt, debt, debt; this certainty requires the need for power if the electorate is not so debased as in Europe. 

Obama has made one thing clear: America is still America. After a hideous attack within by a fifth column, she endures. Obama has neither the votes nor the power. The tide has turned. The question is, will America continue her renewal?

Obama, like Hitler and his decree that Germany and her people were not worthy of him and must be destroyed, seeks to destroy. Hitler asked,  &quot;Is Paris burning?&quot; His visage, standing with his arm outstretched in salute, reminds me of Obama&#039;s favorite pose with his own head raised at the same angle as Hitler&#039;s arm. Both men succumbed to a will to power born in rage against imagined atrocities. 

But the WWII analogy extends only so far. The tide has turned, but there may not be a decisive outcome. The base will be placated so that all may not be lost. The word will go out: Obama was betrayed by his advisors. He was not able to go far enough. The lie will spread and grow and we may yet be alive for the real showdown.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The certainty for Obamanomics is that spend, spend, spend results in debt, debt, debt; this certainty requires the need for power if the electorate is not so debased as in Europe. </p>
<p>Obama has made one thing clear: America is still America. After a hideous attack within by a fifth column, she endures. Obama has neither the votes nor the power. The tide has turned. The question is, will America continue her renewal?</p>
<p>Obama, like Hitler and his decree that Germany and her people were not worthy of him and must be destroyed, seeks to destroy. Hitler asked,  &#8220;Is Paris burning?&#8221; His visage, standing with his arm outstretched in salute, reminds me of Obama&#8217;s favorite pose with his own head raised at the same angle as Hitler&#8217;s arm. Both men succumbed to a will to power born in rage against imagined atrocities. </p>
<p>But the WWII analogy extends only so far. The tide has turned, but there may not be a decisive outcome. The base will be placated so that all may not be lost. The word will go out: Obama was betrayed by his advisors. He was not able to go far enough. The lie will spread and grow and we may yet be alive for the real showdown.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/07/06/obamacare-and-running-out-of-other-peoples-money/#comment-170206</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 01:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;&quot;Liberals in their infantile protest against life’s essential inequality of results utterly fail to understand that it is fundamentally necessary and implicit to advancement.&quot;&quot;
Geoffrey Britain

  These same libs have nothing but praise for this same inequality in the natural world. They call it a diverse ecosystem and it&#039;s beautiful. 

 If liberalism&#039;s disorder infected honey bees i suppose they&#039;d vote to kick the queen out of the hive and give all worker bees the summer off.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;Liberals in their infantile protest against life’s essential inequality of results utterly fail to understand that it is fundamentally necessary and implicit to advancement.&#8221;&#8221;<br />
Geoffrey Britain</p>
<p>  These same libs have nothing but praise for this same inequality in the natural world. They call it a diverse ecosystem and it&#8217;s beautiful. </p>
<p> If liberalism&#8217;s disorder infected honey bees i suppose they&#8217;d vote to kick the queen out of the hive and give all worker bees the summer off.</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[expat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 01:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Simon--you could ask whether today&#039;s Tories are really Margaret Thatcher&#039;s party.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon&#8211;you could ask whether today&#8217;s Tories are really Margaret Thatcher&#8217;s party.</p>
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		By: Rightwing Links (July 6, 2010)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rightwing Links (July 6, 2010)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 23:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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