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In the NBA play-offs sometimes a team looks ahead to the next round while not paying enough attention to the round they are in. Me, I’m going to concentrate on the elections at hand because if we don’t defeat the Dems this year and in 2012 subsequent elections may be beside the point.

The Latino vote, which is the fastest growing voting bloc, went heavily Democrat in the last election; the GOP even losing the Cuban vote in Florida which has been the GOP’s since Castro took over and the Cuban diaspora occurred. If it is augmented by a flood of tens of millions of overwhelmingly Democrat votes caused by an instant citizenship immigration policy … well, I think for the foreseeable future we may be looking at an eventual European-style socialism for America at best, or Soviet-style despotism at worse. And it wouldn’t take a fraudulent vote count to do it, such shenanigans would not be necessary; they would HAVE the votes fair and square and could have it all their way without breaking or even bending a single voting law. Whose faces would be in the mud then?

As for insurrection: Not many instances in the past couple of centuries come to mind where insurrection has overthrown any truly ruthless regime that has had sufficient resources to combat the insurrectionists and I think a politically and legally impregnable American Progressive regime could get pretty ruthless pretty fast. I don’t believe we could count on a military coup to take down a despotic Progressive government. Despots usually coddle and cater to the military for obvious reasons. Remember, McChrystal voted for Obama and my guess is that McChrystal is only the tip of an iceberg.

My earlier reference to Whittaker Chambers was too oblique. He was a brilliant American, a Soviet spy in the 1930s, who became an early neocon in 1938. With his conversion, he told his wife that they were leaving the winning side for the losing one via moral conviction. He also (rightly) feared that the West was too tainted with leftistism, so much so that beating international communism would be a hollow victory. Best known for his testimony against Alger Hiss, he died…..in 1961!

Well, all I can say, Tom, is that I still find your earlier Whittaker Chambers reference to be … not “oblique,” exactly … but more like, uhh, irrelevant. Yes, Chambers was a Soviet spy who defected and outed Alger Hiss, but what does this trivia have to do with the discussion?

But about that plan of yours, Tom: Is it “We must grind the bastards’ faces into the mud and never let them get up.”? Is this the “analytic, anticipatory processes” you referred to earlier? Is this the chess-like logic and precision?

In answer to the earlier questions about whether I play chess and how well I play it — yes, I have played chess; for instance in playing chess I’ve learned to lure my opponent into ill-advised moves with gambits. Let them have a pawn or two — or even a rook. Once they expose themselves by falling for my gambit I can then pin their pieces and checkmate their queen at my leisure. It’s sometimes fun to draw the eventual final conclusion out more than just 3 moves, especially if they have been smug and arrogant in their opening moves. Ah, yes, chess — it’s a fun game and much like life.

My earlier reference to Whittaker Chambers was too oblique. He was a brilliant American, a Soviet spy in the 1930s, who became an early neocon in 1938. With his conversion, he told his wife that they were leaving the winning side for the losing one via moral conviction. He also (rightly) feared that the West was too tainted with leftistism, so much so that beating international communism would be a hollow victory. Best known for his testimony against Alger Hiss, he died…..in 1961!

But Tom, isn’t that what I’m trying to do? Except my idea of the better plan is not to figure out what I’ll do if the freedom disappears but instead to make every legally sanctioned and traditionally approved effort to see to it that the ones who may jeopardize that freedom are defeated in the upcoming elections, rendering them powerless. They are not infallible and if we all work together instead of letting factionalism weaken us, as happened in the last election, we can throw them out of office.

Life can be a chess game. Do you play chess? Do you play it well? If so, apply the same analytic, anticipatory processes. to life outside of chess. If not, you owe it to yourself and those who depend on you to learn. “We aren’t there yet” is not a useful response to “Mate in three”.

I apologize in advance to the readers for the length of this comment but I don’t think my writing skills are up to a short yet satisfactory reply.

Let’s say the Dems don’t lose very big in November and that they regain their losses in 2012, leaving both houses with another Dem majority and a re-elected Obama. And let’s also imagine that what Tom and many others fear comes to pass: The SCOTUS becomes skewed to the Left, industry in the USA becomes nationalized, our borders are overrun by illegal immigrants who are immediately declared citizens guaranteeing Democrat election for the foreseeable future, the Constitution is nominally discarded, all kinds of despotic laws are passed, our capitalistic economy is replaced by a European-style socialism or worse and freedom does indeed disappear. Let’s imagine the very worse.

Tom, my actions in case that happens would not likely be changed, improved upon, or be affected much by dwelling on that possibility now. I will necessarily HAVE to cross that bridge when I come to it. I think we ALL will have to deal with it as it happens IF it happens because I think it is probably impossible to predict exactly how and what would happen, exactly how all of it would take place or the best way to deal with it beforehand. Something I read somewhere to the effect: “A plan is what is discarded as soon as the shooting starts.”

Tom, it sounds good, “a chess game,” involving neat “analytic, anticipatory processes,” and if using such a method works for you, well, fine. But I’m more of an intuitive type, as opposed to an analytical type, and tend to deal with things as they happen with a set of skills that have served me well for the most part. Not that I don’t do ANY planning, mind you, and when I DO plan it tends to be along the lines of prevention and prioritizing. First things first. First I want to direct my energies toward defeating them in the elections, toward trying to insure that insurrection, which tends to become bloody, never becomes necessary in the first place. If that doesn’t work then I will direct my energies toward the next priority, which will only become clear to me when that time comes.

Lastly, I’m wondering, Tom, just what your plan is. I have a plan: Defeat the bastards in the next two elections. What’s yours?

Exquisite and pithy. I am truly humbled!

I understand your point, Betsy. I’ll grant you that an election can and may be fraudulent and therefore perhaps not proof of freedom, an example would be the last election in Iran. But I was not referring to an election, but the elections that take place here in America, which so far, if not strictly speaking proof of freedom, are at least evidence of freedom. I had the last election in America, the one which Obama won and the Democrats gained majorities in both houses, in mind when I made the statement.

Of elections in general I would say that of the nations of the world those that hold elections are on the whole more freer than those that don’t. And of those nations that DO hold elections that America is the freest of them all. Wouldn’t you agree?

Believe me, I understand and can sympathize somewhat to your point of view and of others who have commented, such as Tom and rickl. I just think you and they are wrong on this particular issue. Betsy, you might be surprised at our agreements. For instance, I hold Sarah Palin in high esteem, and relish defending her elsewhere on the net. Also, I abhor Obamacare and have put some effort in opposing it. I offer my comments at the links below to illustrate my bona fides.

http://tinyurl.com/372afy6

http://tinyurl.com/2uqkatn

However, I believe that the main problem of today’s America has been described very well by Dennis Prager and I don’t believe THAT problem will ever be solved by insurrection but only by a combination of educating the next generation on the true meaning of America and an enthusiastic campaign against the Dems and Obama in the elections this year and in 2012. Let’s all get behind the GOP candidates in these elections and run the Dems and Obama out of office.

http://tinyurl.com/28wu952

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Astonished I ask? Have you been followng the dem/lib propaganda?

In a word: no. Maybe some traditional New England independent-mindedness has rubbed off on me after years in a rural zip code.

Bitter clingers. Bible thumpers. Uneducated. Cousin marriers. Flat-earthers.
The reason for this is to make the conservatives into socially unacceptable morons with whom no self-respecting Good Person would associate.
NASCAR is vile, churches—except for those doubtful about divinity—are unacceptable, second amendment means only the Guard. Palin is six kinds of idiot—proof not required. Her voters, ditto.

I see your point.