actually thats not it. thats the simple idea that people latch on that is used to discredit what purpose is.

first point, rule of law, either we have it or we don’t. if you don’t like the constitutional rules you go through the process of changing and amending the constitution (which retains its mistakes, like prohibition).

at what point did the fed or the state earn the right to ignore laws? what is the purpose of law of they can be ignored by the leadership at will? oh, you stole millions, but your my friend, ignore the law for him.

is that how our legal system is to function? its built on precedence, and so you allow such function, say with things like decriminalization of pot. the whole idea unchallenged or defeated then expands and moves outwards as an example of premise that laws can be selectively enforced (in actuality it was done not for pot, but presumably to save money not debating the removal of laws which have no bearing any more)

Are we a nation of equals before the law, or does the election process negate the rules of that election process by the will of the winner?

with that in mind… and basic common law in mind for contracts and agreements national and international…

can a person who is not a legal agent enter into contractual negotiations and sign agreements for another entity they are not a legal agent of?

so can a person who has not met the criteria for the office be enjoined to make agreements and contracts and force a nation to hold to them?

If such a person orders a soldier into a conflict area and that soldier kills people, is it now murder as it was not from a leader of a recognized state? (recognized has important meaning).

can a person who has not met a legal definition of some appointment, enter into war, have access to state secrets, be able to create signing statements and executive order, and perhaps would follow orders from an outside entity (like the center for American progress) in everything they do?

what your going to find out later is that regardless of what WE do, any international agreement now being signed as a basis of things like missles, nuclear weapons, weapons sales, reductions in arms, conflict resolutions, and all that. Are null and void

they are going to pretend to keep it, and they are going to break it, and if any one finds out they are then going to question the ligitimacy we the people were not able to.

they will just claim that the entity that signed the treaty had no legal right to do so, so the treaty is a nothing, a pieve of paper. they will NOT be kind enough to remind us that its not their job to inform us of treaty negation through our own actions, is it?

so we will reduce our arms, they will increase theirs
we will disarm they will ready for many conflicts at once.

Obama cant handle an oil spill? lets see if he can handle Korea/Korea,Venezuela/Columbia, Palestine/Israel, Pakistan/India, China/Taiwan and a few other things all at once (even if they are not actual land grabs).

tactically, and strategically, there is a lot more going on, and we are not paying attention to the biggest game. where leaders of active countries have realized that obama is out in 2012, and that this may be their last chance to do things.

Chavez is grabbing food… anyone want to know what happens next? the poor who cant be fed will be pressed into service who will then be wasted in conflict so that there are fewer people to have to take care of. (when they are free they take care of themselves, but when the state takes care of you, its in the interest of the state to have less of you to take care of).

the point is that the illegitimate leader is taken out by some process that is internal and in place. thats never the case, as that would require a very scary govt section that would have power to remove leaders.

so the point is that illegitimacy itself unseats a leader.

can a illegitimate president veto a law?
can a illegitimate president issue a executive order?
can a illegitimate president put enemies in jail?

can a illegitimate president start a war to save his own position?

Irritable today, brother? Plenty of reason to be, I’ll admit, but we can’t go eating our own.

Nowadays I see images of Hispanics demonstrating and carrying the American flag. If they’re genuinely willing to transfer their loyalty to the USA, well, I recognize that they de facto were invited here by our powers that be. But the first and overriding priority is to secure the border.

However, the thought has crossed my mind that maybe some of those American flag pictures are staged, or that maybe the MSM is only showing images that fit their narrative.

we do… but it depends on what country your from, and its not called a guest worker visa. when they ask you, is your trip business or pleasure. you say pleasure, you don’t work… you say business, you can work.

the problem is that such a system gets abused badly given the contextual situation.

what if the guests, like john Belushi, will not go home?

the OTHER thing is that you might not understand is that the visa thing is also from the country your leaving… 🙂

the US has open exit on visas… we only require that the country your going to lets you in. the US is so nice that we do not fear mass exodus of our brains and key people, so we basically give everyone who wants to go someplace a visa. making exit visas unnecessary.

while other countries, you need an exit visa, AND an entry visa here.

in Casablanca Renault was exchanging sex for exit visas…. but, that didn’t automatically mean that the country you were going to would accept you.

do a search on EXIT visa, and you will find that you need one to leave china, to leave india, etc.

the farms do not let their most productive cattle leave easily

A visa does not generally give a non-citizen any rights, including a right to enter a country or to remain there. The possession of a visa is not in itself a guarantee of entry into the country that issued it, and a visa can be revoked at any time. The visa process merely enables the host country to verify the identity of the visa applicant before the entry of the applicant. Special permits may also be required, such as a residency permit or work permit. A visitor may also be required to undergo and pass security and/or health checks upon arrival at the border.

Some countries require that their citizens, and sometimes foreign travelers, obtain an exit visa in order to be allowed to leave the country en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_%28document%29

so in many countries, you first get a visa from your destination… if you can… THEN you have to show that to your country,and then they have to decide whether to let you go.

so its a case of, if your from a country in which we automatically accept travel from, and work… then you can come here to do business for the time period…

[green cards are for permanent resident, a person who may never leave and may never become a citizen technically]

and mexico has a departure tax…
that is, if you get a visa to the US
or if your a US citizen

you have to pay to leave…

also this complicates things
Mexican law recognizes dual nationality for Mexicans by birth, meaning those born in Mexico or born abroad to Mexican parents. U.S. citizens who are also Mexican nationals are considered by local authorities to be Mexican.

yes… if your grandparens were mexican your a citizen, and so what does that mean to the arguments?

and Tourists wishing to travel beyond the border zone with their vehicle must obtain a temporary import permit or risk having their vehicle confiscated by Mexican customs officials. At present the only exceptions to the requirement are for travel in the Baja Peninsula and in the state of Sonora, and only for vehicles entering through the Nogales port of entry.

so in effect you drive, you import your car and pay a fee…

Business Travel: Upon arrival in Mexico, business travelers must complete and submit a form (Form FM-N) authorizing the conduct of business, but not employment, for a 30-day period. Travelers entering Mexico for purposes other than tourism or business or for stays of longer than 180 days require a visa and must carry a valid U.S. passport. U.S. citizens planning to work or live in Mexico should apply for the appropriate Mexican visa at the Mexican Embassy in Washington, DC, or at the nearest Mexican consulate in the United States.

america compared to others is very nice.

I have thought for some time that O did nbot really want to “be” President – as in doing the actual job. He wanted to be elected President. He wants to dismantle the “white male capitalist oppressive syustem” (my guess for the fuzzy thoughts running through his muddled head). And then move on to becoming a multi-millionaire invited to the best parties around the world like Bono.

We can only hope the damage is not irreparable.

My main concern though is not Obama. It is that 69m people voted for him.

Best case scenario on that is that it was an opportunity of an era to expiate “white guilt”. Worst case scenario is late Roman Republic disease.