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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/06/16/another-change-story-sports-politics-and-life/#comment-166416</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 19:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This reminds me a Russian painter who always painted a little white dog in the corner of every picture before showing it to his clients, all mighty bureaucrats. The only way they could criticise a work of art was to ask &quot;What the hell the dog is doing here?&quot; And he immediately erased the dog, leaving big bosses perfectly satisfied.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me a Russian painter who always painted a little white dog in the corner of every picture before showing it to his clients, all mighty bureaucrats. The only way they could criticise a work of art was to ask &#8220;What the hell the dog is doing here?&#8221; And he immediately erased the dog, leaving big bosses perfectly satisfied.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/06/16/another-change-story-sports-politics-and-life/#comment-166366</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 12:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;May be, this was the reason of dysfunctionality and instability of ancient democracies.&lt;/i&gt;

nah... :)

i would say the overstepping of people who eventually run out of positive limited things to do, and rather than just sit still and happy, have to keep on going. 

like a poor artist who overworks a piece that would have been really good IF they knew when to stop or when to let forces alone and manage themselves. 

given all the philosophers like to split people into twos, i will give you a twofer. 

in the domain of public service there are two kinds of people, those who actually do wish their fellow man the best and will suffer for that in a real way and make real judicious effort, and then there are those who have a need to feel power. 

the latter group is sadistic as they cant feel power unless they use it, and by definition power is the ability to compel another against their will to comply (usually coupled with a inability to respond to the condition)

note that there is more than this kind of power, but to these people, other forms can not be distinguished from good luck, bribery. 

Even worse, when it all works without their stewardships, and schemes, and works better, there is the opposite of power, irrelevancy. 

At work when meeting such people on projects i tend to leave innocuous errors they can find. give these people a perfectly designed item, and they will change it just so they can claim it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>May be, this was the reason of dysfunctionality and instability of ancient democracies.</i></p>
<p>nah&#8230; 🙂</p>
<p>i would say the overstepping of people who eventually run out of positive limited things to do, and rather than just sit still and happy, have to keep on going. </p>
<p>like a poor artist who overworks a piece that would have been really good IF they knew when to stop or when to let forces alone and manage themselves. </p>
<p>given all the philosophers like to split people into twos, i will give you a twofer. </p>
<p>in the domain of public service there are two kinds of people, those who actually do wish their fellow man the best and will suffer for that in a real way and make real judicious effort, and then there are those who have a need to feel power. </p>
<p>the latter group is sadistic as they cant feel power unless they use it, and by definition power is the ability to compel another against their will to comply (usually coupled with a inability to respond to the condition)</p>
<p>note that there is more than this kind of power, but to these people, other forms can not be distinguished from good luck, bribery. </p>
<p>Even worse, when it all works without their stewardships, and schemes, and works better, there is the opposite of power, irrelevancy. </p>
<p>At work when meeting such people on projects i tend to leave innocuous errors they can find. give these people a perfectly designed item, and they will change it just so they can claim it.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/06/16/another-change-story-sports-politics-and-life/#comment-166348</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 08:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sport was invented in Britain with a specific purpose to harden boy&#039;s character and promote their socialization. Some say, it was invented in antiquity (Olympic games). Not really so: ancient Greeks invented athletics, not sport. There were no team sports in ancient Greece. May be, this was the reason of dysfunctionality and instability of ancient democracies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sport was invented in Britain with a specific purpose to harden boy&#8217;s character and promote their socialization. Some say, it was invented in antiquity (Olympic games). Not really so: ancient Greeks invented athletics, not sport. There were no team sports in ancient Greece. May be, this was the reason of dysfunctionality and instability of ancient democracies.</p>
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		By: Oldflyer		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/06/16/another-change-story-sports-politics-and-life/#comment-166202</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oldflyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 20:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am a strong supporter of cross country and track.  One of my daughters ran both in high school, and it was very good for her. She learned discipline and learned that she could push harder than she imagined.  And, she had fun.  The cross country kids,  especially, were a good bunch.  Very supportive of each other, hard working and all around good folks.  I think, and hope, one of my twin grand-children will run cross country.  The other is a soccer nut, and is already experiencing the down-side of the club level politics.  It could well spoil her genuine love of the game over time.

Still, organized and unorganized team sports have a lot to offer.   I think Daniel in Brookline sums it up well.

Unfortunately, it is often the adult element, parents and some coaches, who create  problems.  Some kids will learn positive lessons from the examples, while, sadly, others will emulate them..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a strong supporter of cross country and track.  One of my daughters ran both in high school, and it was very good for her. She learned discipline and learned that she could push harder than she imagined.  And, she had fun.  The cross country kids,  especially, were a good bunch.  Very supportive of each other, hard working and all around good folks.  I think, and hope, one of my twin grand-children will run cross country.  The other is a soccer nut, and is already experiencing the down-side of the club level politics.  It could well spoil her genuine love of the game over time.</p>
<p>Still, organized and unorganized team sports have a lot to offer.   I think Daniel in Brookline sums it up well.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, it is often the adult element, parents and some coaches, who create  problems.  Some kids will learn positive lessons from the examples, while, sadly, others will emulate them..</p>
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		By: Daniel in Brookline		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel in Brookline]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AVI:  Amen!

I&#039;m reminded of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/031236038X/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this book&lt;/a&gt;, which has a lot to say about the watering-down of children&#039;s sports.  One point that made an impact on me was that &lt;i&gt;playing competitive sports teaches you how to lose&lt;/i&gt; -- a vital life skill if ever there was one.

Another important point is that, in playing competitive sports, you learn an awful lot about yourself and what you&#039;re capable of.  Are you a leader or a follower?  Can you get along with others under trying circumstances?  Do you rally others with your optimism, or do you drag others down with your pessimism?  You also learn a lot about dealing with people under stress, and what works and what doesn&#039;t.

Parents who try to remove competitive aspects are doing their children no favors at all.  They&#039;ll encounter these issues in the real world, with much higher stakes, and have no idea how to cope with them.

respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AVI:  Amen!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/031236038X/" rel="nofollow">this book</a>, which has a lot to say about the watering-down of children&#8217;s sports.  One point that made an impact on me was that <i>playing competitive sports teaches you how to lose</i> &#8212; a vital life skill if ever there was one.</p>
<p>Another important point is that, in playing competitive sports, you learn an awful lot about yourself and what you&#8217;re capable of.  Are you a leader or a follower?  Can you get along with others under trying circumstances?  Do you rally others with your optimism, or do you drag others down with your pessimism?  You also learn a lot about dealing with people under stress, and what works and what doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Parents who try to remove competitive aspects are doing their children no favors at all.  They&#8217;ll encounter these issues in the real world, with much higher stakes, and have no idea how to cope with them.</p>
<p>respectfully,<br />
Daniel in Brookline</p>
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		By: NJcon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NJcon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tatyana, I too loathe organized sports!  I think most organized sports for kids are (not sure how to put this..) anti-conservative/anti-freedom/anti-individual. I think your statement &quot;He’s a free individual, just as I am.&quot; is exactly why my son ran cross-country/track in H.S. If he won or lost a race it was on his own terms. And I hope LisaM finds the right sport for her son too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tatyana, I too loathe organized sports!  I think most organized sports for kids are (not sure how to put this..) anti-conservative/anti-freedom/anti-individual. I think your statement &#8220;He’s a free individual, just as I am.&#8221; is exactly why my son ran cross-country/track in H.S. If he won or lost a race it was on his own terms. And I hope LisaM finds the right sport for her son too.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/06/16/another-change-story-sports-politics-and-life/#comment-166175</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Track teams probably have the fewest problems in this regard because the measures of performance are so objective, and the events unidimensional. Ranking scalars is easy. 

Ranking tensors is tough. Determing who is the fastest sprinter is a question of objective fact. Determining who is the best overall athlete fuels barroom brawls. 

Moreover, in competitive sports (i.e., sports that involve competing directly against another person, rather than against a stopwatch or other objective standard) the rankings of who is best depend on who the opponent is (hence, e.g., the platoon system in baseball), further muddying the waters. So lots of opportunities for managerial discretion, and abuse thereof.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Track teams probably have the fewest problems in this regard because the measures of performance are so objective, and the events unidimensional. Ranking scalars is easy. </p>
<p>Ranking tensors is tough. Determing who is the fastest sprinter is a question of objective fact. Determining who is the best overall athlete fuels barroom brawls. </p>
<p>Moreover, in competitive sports (i.e., sports that involve competing directly against another person, rather than against a stopwatch or other objective standard) the rankings of who is best depend on who the opponent is (hence, e.g., the platoon system in baseball), further muddying the waters. So lots of opportunities for managerial discretion, and abuse thereof.</p>
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		By: Tatyana		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatyana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No need, NJCon.

I might be mistaken, since I was never closely involved, but I think my son&#039;s HS track team was free from intrigue, backstabbing and favoritism described in the post and comments.
First, parents tend not to be involved as much - not that I know of, and second - the coach was a professional, employed by the school, not one of the fathers, and he had school&#039; success as a stimulus for better pay and longer employment.

I know my son adored him, as did the whole team. They all turned to powder-mix-food, though - per coach&#039; instruction. And that I hold against him!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need, NJCon.</p>
<p>I might be mistaken, since I was never closely involved, but I think my son&#8217;s HS track team was free from intrigue, backstabbing and favoritism described in the post and comments.<br />
First, parents tend not to be involved as much &#8211; not that I know of, and second &#8211; the coach was a professional, employed by the school, not one of the fathers, and he had school&#8217; success as a stimulus for better pay and longer employment.</p>
<p>I know my son adored him, as did the whole team. They all turned to powder-mix-food, though &#8211; per coach&#8217; instruction. And that I hold against him!</p>
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		By: NJcon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NJcon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 14:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tatyana, I apologize. I mistook your comment for sarcasm.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tatyana, I apologize. I mistook your comment for sarcasm.</p>
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		By: br549		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[br549]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 14:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In Ottowa, the best team would come in last place. Gotta love Canada. I hope they don&#039;t fight wars like that, when one comes their way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Ottowa, the best team would come in last place. Gotta love Canada. I hope they don&#8217;t fight wars like that, when one comes their way.</p>
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