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					<description><![CDATA[I think some significant number of Leftists actually do believe that opposition to Obama is racist.  There are some race hucksters who keep the &quot;Western Civilization is racist&quot; meme alive just to make money, but in my experience some significant number of Leftists (mostly the white, college graduate type) actually do see everything through the prism of race.  The tragedy of this is that there really is no basis for discussion with them.  Our central premises are so diametrically opposed that there is no hope of ever reaching a compromise on anything of importance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some significant number of Leftists actually do believe that opposition to Obama is racist.  There are some race hucksters who keep the &#8220;Western Civilization is racist&#8221; meme alive just to make money, but in my experience some significant number of Leftists (mostly the white, college graduate type) actually do see everything through the prism of race.  The tragedy of this is that there really is no basis for discussion with them.  Our central premises are so diametrically opposed that there is no hope of ever reaching a compromise on anything of importance.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[take some time, and look at the photo at wiki at the signing of SS... then take those names, and read about them... pay attention to Robert L. Doughton and the committee hearings.. 


www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,755958,00.html
&lt;i&gt;Two days later Chairman Doughton came to the name of the last witness on the day&#039;s schedule, Max Bedacht, representing the Communist Party.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Max Bedacht was not the kind of frowsy, self-assertive Communist most Congressmen were accustomed to encountering. Born in Munich 52 years ago, he was a factory worker, a Socialist, a Communist, an editor of various defunct radical periodicals, and is now a member of the Central Committee of the U.S. Communist Party. He still retains the good manners which he learned during his youth as a barber in Switzerland.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

&quot;I am here,&quot; began Mr. Bedacht, &quot;to present the position of the Communist Party on the proposals adopted by your committee for new Federal taxes. We Communists have always fought for the principle of taxing corporate surpluses and undivided corporate income. This would be at least a step in the direction of shifting the present heavy burden of taxation from the shoulders of workers, farmers and small consumers to the big corporations and the rich.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

&lt;b&gt;By the time his statement was finished, the Democrats were sickly aware of what had happened: The Communists had in principle joined the New Deal on the tax bill.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

now remember, when this communist testified, they had not started taxing working people. they basically paid a huge amount through corporate taxes like a VAT...  which kept the high amounts kind of hidden. 

&lt;b&gt;the New Deal was fulfilling the Socialist Party platform of 1932&lt;/b&gt;
here is the platform. 
www.marxists.org/history/usa/eam/slp/platform/plat1932.pdf

when you read it, you will realize that all the left is doing is copying these things. 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;the capitalist system is now creaking and breaking at every joint and cranny. it is no more &quot;on trial&quot; than a horse drawn vehicle is on triel besides a motor van. CApitalism is outworn, obsolete, ready for the museum of social history. A mear glance at the worl situaion should suffice to convince even the dullest of this forceful fact&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

wagner is in the pictures too...read about the wagner act and how it established the UNIONS.. 

&lt;i&gt;After the Supreme Court had ruled the National Industrial Recovery Act and the National Recovery Administration unconstitutional and it was destroyed Wagner helped pass a similar law known as the National Labor Relations Act. The National Labor Relations Act, perhaps Wagner&#039;s greatest achievement, was a leading event that led to the fair treatment of workers.

Wagner introduced the Social Security Act bill into the United States Senate.

-=-=-=-=-=-

The Wagner-Hatfield amendment to the Communications Act of 1934 &lt;b&gt;aimed at turning over twenty-five percent of all radio channels to non-profit radio broadcasters&lt;/b&gt; did not pass. This action led to a cover for Time magazine. 
&lt;/i&gt;

sound familiar? any one want to refer to the curent idea they want to pass? 

wagner also shows what a RACIST group the dems and roosvelt were. 

&lt;b&gt;Wagner and Edward P. Costigan sponsored a federal anti-Lynching law. In 1935 attempts were made to persuade President Franklin D. Roosevelt to support the Costigan-Wagner Bill. However, Roosevelt refused to support a bill that would punish sheriffs who failed to protect their prisoners from lynch mobs. He believed that he would lose the support of Southern Democrats in Congress and lose his entire New Deal program. There were 18 lynchings of blacks in the South in 1935, but after the threat of federal legislation the number fell to eight in 1936, and to two in 1939.&lt;/b&gt;

also in the picture is John David Dingell, Sr.

he is such a peach...  
&lt;b&gt;Reflecting the prevailing prejudices of the period, a memorable letter from Dingell to President Franklin D. Roosevelt on August 18, 1941 suggested that ten thousand Japanese-Hawaiian Americans be incarcerated in order to ensure &quot;good behavior&quot; from Japan &lt;/b&gt;

Frances Perkins (hey! i thought women werent allowed to participate?)...  

&lt;b&gt;in 1939, she became the first female Cabinet officer that Congress sought to impeach&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Perkins&#039; offense? She had refused to give orders to deport Harry Bridges, the Australian longshoreman who had led a successful general strike in San Francisco in 1934. Bridges was suspected of being a Communist. Personally, we&#039;re told, the upright Perkins &quot;detested&quot; Bridges, who was a womanizer; but she found the evidence against him vague. Perkins paid for her principles: Though early anti-Communist witch hunters failed to impeach her, she was portrayed in the press as a dupe; a foolish, &quot;soft-minded&quot; woman. &lt;/i&gt;

take some time to look into bridges... he will remind you a bit of andy stern of seiu..  he is mentioned in Alger Hiss&#039;s looking-glass wars: the covert life of a Soviet spy //  By G. Edward White

so again... everyone connects to everyone in this era. 

kind of like the appollo alliance, seiu, afl-cio, obama, the joyce foundation, etc

Bridges ran the LONGSHORMANS union.. 
&lt;i&gt;May 9, The San Francisco waterfront strike began. The Int’l. Longshoremen’s Association (ILA), headed by Australian immigrant Harry Bridges, shut down seaports in Washington, Oregon and California for 3 months. Union workers went on strike for a 6 hour day and a hiring hall to replace the company operated Blue Book Union on the waterfront.&lt;/i&gt;

[then again there was also harry hopkins who was a communist spy too]

&lt;i&gt;Perkins attended Worcester&#039;s Classical High School and was graduated from Mount Holyoke College with a BA degree in 1902, and from Columbia University with a master&#039;s degree in sociology  in 1910.&lt;/i&gt; (again, at a time when women supposedly were not allowed. yet ALL the leading women thinkers from the early 1800s on had college)

Byron Patton &quot;Pat&quot; Harrison is next..  (which there isnt much to write about.. though look to his tiff with BILBO)

nothing to say clearly as to lewis, whose bill was the original and who doughton attemptd to use his chairmanship to take. 

The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins is a article that will give you dish on one of the big spies with FDR. 
www.aim.org/media-monitor/the-treachery-of-harry-hopkins/

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Harry Hopkins, the closest and most influential adviser to President Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II, was a Soviet agent. &lt;/b&gt;

Andrew had reported this in a book he had written in 1990 based on information provided by Oleg Gordievsky, a high-level KGB officer who had also been smuggled out of the Soviet Union by British intelligence. Gordievsky reported that Iskhak Ahkmerov, the KGB officer who controlled the illegal Soviet agents in the U.S. during the war, had said that &lt;b&gt;Hopkins was “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.”&lt;/b&gt; Hopkins secret meetings with Ahkmerov were not known to anyone until Gordievsky revealed them. They began before Hopkins made a trip to Moscow in July 1941, a month after the Germans invaded the Soviet Union. His insistence that aid be extended to Stalin with no strings attached justifies Ahkmerov’s evaluation of his performance. There is evidence that Hopkins even went so far as to arrange for the shipment of uranium to the Soviet Union to help them develop the atomic bomb. Despite this, Andrew argued that Harry Hopkins was “an unconscious rather than a conscious agent.” Mitrokhin’s documents showed that Hopkins had warned the Soviet ambassador that the FBI had learned through a bug it had placed in the home of Steve Nelson, a Soviet illegal agent, that Nelson was getting money from the embassy. He met Ahkmerov from time to time, giving him information to send to Moscow and receiving secret messages from Stalin. Andrew tries to put an innocent face on this, saying Hopkins was using Ahkmerov as a “back channel” to communicate with Moscow. Ray Wannall, former FBI assistant director for counter-intelligence, says he always suspected that Hopkins was a Soviet agent and that this is proof of his treachery.&lt;/i&gt;

[mitrokhins second book covering india and such is amazing]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>take some time, and look at the photo at wiki at the signing of SS&#8230; then take those names, and read about them&#8230; pay attention to Robert L. Doughton and the committee hearings.. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,755958,00.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,755958,00.html</a><br />
<i>Two days later Chairman Doughton came to the name of the last witness on the day&#8217;s schedule, Max Bedacht, representing the Communist Party.</p>
<p>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-</p>
<p>Max Bedacht was not the kind of frowsy, self-assertive Communist most Congressmen were accustomed to encountering. Born in Munich 52 years ago, he was a factory worker, a Socialist, a Communist, an editor of various defunct radical periodicals, and is now a member of the Central Committee of the U.S. Communist Party. He still retains the good manners which he learned during his youth as a barber in Switzerland.</p>
<p>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-</p>
<p>&#8220;I am here,&#8221; began Mr. Bedacht, &#8220;to present the position of the Communist Party on the proposals adopted by your committee for new Federal taxes. We Communists have always fought for the principle of taxing corporate surpluses and undivided corporate income. This would be at least a step in the direction of shifting the present heavy burden of taxation from the shoulders of workers, farmers and small consumers to the big corporations and the rich.</p>
<p>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-</p>
<p><b>By the time his statement was finished, the Democrats were sickly aware of what had happened: The Communists had in principle joined the New Deal on the tax bill.</b></i></p>
<p>now remember, when this communist testified, they had not started taxing working people. they basically paid a huge amount through corporate taxes like a VAT&#8230;  which kept the high amounts kind of hidden. </p>
<p><b>the New Deal was fulfilling the Socialist Party platform of 1932</b><br />
here is the platform.<br />
<a href="http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/eam/slp/platform/plat1932.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/eam/slp/platform/plat1932.pdf</a></p>
<p>when you read it, you will realize that all the left is doing is copying these things. </p>
<p><i>&#8220;the capitalist system is now creaking and breaking at every joint and cranny. it is no more &#8220;on trial&#8221; than a horse drawn vehicle is on triel besides a motor van. CApitalism is outworn, obsolete, ready for the museum of social history. A mear glance at the worl situaion should suffice to convince even the dullest of this forceful fact&#8221;</i></p>
<p>wagner is in the pictures too&#8230;read about the wagner act and how it established the UNIONS.. </p>
<p><i>After the Supreme Court had ruled the National Industrial Recovery Act and the National Recovery Administration unconstitutional and it was destroyed Wagner helped pass a similar law known as the National Labor Relations Act. The National Labor Relations Act, perhaps Wagner&#8217;s greatest achievement, was a leading event that led to the fair treatment of workers.</p>
<p>Wagner introduced the Social Security Act bill into the United States Senate.</p>
<p>-=-=-=-=-=-</p>
<p>The Wagner-Hatfield amendment to the Communications Act of 1934 <b>aimed at turning over twenty-five percent of all radio channels to non-profit radio broadcasters</b> did not pass. This action led to a cover for Time magazine.<br />
</i></p>
<p>sound familiar? any one want to refer to the curent idea they want to pass? </p>
<p>wagner also shows what a RACIST group the dems and roosvelt were. </p>
<p><b>Wagner and Edward P. Costigan sponsored a federal anti-Lynching law. In 1935 attempts were made to persuade President Franklin D. Roosevelt to support the Costigan-Wagner Bill. However, Roosevelt refused to support a bill that would punish sheriffs who failed to protect their prisoners from lynch mobs. He believed that he would lose the support of Southern Democrats in Congress and lose his entire New Deal program. There were 18 lynchings of blacks in the South in 1935, but after the threat of federal legislation the number fell to eight in 1936, and to two in 1939.</b></p>
<p>also in the picture is John David Dingell, Sr.</p>
<p>he is such a peach&#8230;<br />
<b>Reflecting the prevailing prejudices of the period, a memorable letter from Dingell to President Franklin D. Roosevelt on August 18, 1941 suggested that ten thousand Japanese-Hawaiian Americans be incarcerated in order to ensure &#8220;good behavior&#8221; from Japan </b></p>
<p>Frances Perkins (hey! i thought women werent allowed to participate?)&#8230;  </p>
<p><b>in 1939, she became the first female Cabinet officer that Congress sought to impeach</b><br />
<i>Perkins&#8217; offense? She had refused to give orders to deport Harry Bridges, the Australian longshoreman who had led a successful general strike in San Francisco in 1934. Bridges was suspected of being a Communist. Personally, we&#8217;re told, the upright Perkins &#8220;detested&#8221; Bridges, who was a womanizer; but she found the evidence against him vague. Perkins paid for her principles: Though early anti-Communist witch hunters failed to impeach her, she was portrayed in the press as a dupe; a foolish, &#8220;soft-minded&#8221; woman. </i></p>
<p>take some time to look into bridges&#8230; he will remind you a bit of andy stern of seiu..  he is mentioned in Alger Hiss&#8217;s looking-glass wars: the covert life of a Soviet spy //  By G. Edward White</p>
<p>so again&#8230; everyone connects to everyone in this era. </p>
<p>kind of like the appollo alliance, seiu, afl-cio, obama, the joyce foundation, etc</p>
<p>Bridges ran the LONGSHORMANS union..<br />
<i>May 9, The San Francisco waterfront strike began. The Int’l. Longshoremen’s Association (ILA), headed by Australian immigrant Harry Bridges, shut down seaports in Washington, Oregon and California for 3 months. Union workers went on strike for a 6 hour day and a hiring hall to replace the company operated Blue Book Union on the waterfront.</i></p>
<p>[then again there was also harry hopkins who was a communist spy too]</p>
<p><i>Perkins attended Worcester&#8217;s Classical High School and was graduated from Mount Holyoke College with a BA degree in 1902, and from Columbia University with a master&#8217;s degree in sociology  in 1910.</i> (again, at a time when women supposedly were not allowed. yet ALL the leading women thinkers from the early 1800s on had college)</p>
<p>Byron Patton &#8220;Pat&#8221; Harrison is next..  (which there isnt much to write about.. though look to his tiff with BILBO)</p>
<p>nothing to say clearly as to lewis, whose bill was the original and who doughton attemptd to use his chairmanship to take. </p>
<p>The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins is a article that will give you dish on one of the big spies with FDR.<br />
<a href="http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/the-treachery-of-harry-hopkins/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/the-treachery-of-harry-hopkins/</a></p>
<p><i><b>Harry Hopkins, the closest and most influential adviser to President Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II, was a Soviet agent. </b></p>
<p>Andrew had reported this in a book he had written in 1990 based on information provided by Oleg Gordievsky, a high-level KGB officer who had also been smuggled out of the Soviet Union by British intelligence. Gordievsky reported that Iskhak Ahkmerov, the KGB officer who controlled the illegal Soviet agents in the U.S. during the war, had said that <b>Hopkins was “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.”</b> Hopkins secret meetings with Ahkmerov were not known to anyone until Gordievsky revealed them. They began before Hopkins made a trip to Moscow in July 1941, a month after the Germans invaded the Soviet Union. His insistence that aid be extended to Stalin with no strings attached justifies Ahkmerov’s evaluation of his performance. There is evidence that Hopkins even went so far as to arrange for the shipment of uranium to the Soviet Union to help them develop the atomic bomb. Despite this, Andrew argued that Harry Hopkins was “an unconscious rather than a conscious agent.” Mitrokhin’s documents showed that Hopkins had warned the Soviet ambassador that the FBI had learned through a bug it had placed in the home of Steve Nelson, a Soviet illegal agent, that Nelson was getting money from the embassy. He met Ahkmerov from time to time, giving him information to send to Moscow and receiving secret messages from Stalin. Andrew tries to put an innocent face on this, saying Hopkins was using Ahkmerov as a “back channel” to communicate with Moscow. Ray Wannall, former FBI assistant director for counter-intelligence, says he always suspected that Hopkins was a Soviet agent and that this is proof of his treachery.</i></p>
<p>[mitrokhins second book covering india and such is amazing]</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thomass, 
   Go to planned parenthood and you will read scrubbed history of Sanger too. I even linked to the page. This is why i have to keep putting up long tracts. as i cant prove against &quot;what everyone knows&quot; and can flip out a revisioned answer. and the refutations and things on snopes and other places is often wrong...  

www.ssa.gov/history/fdrstmts.html

just like with sanger, you cant trust exactly whats up.. 

sad really...  remember its half truths, so waht is up is truthful, but often omits the details that are critical to a independent understanding. (and they often repeat and copy the wrong thing over and over. cracking a newspaper, and reading today, you can see that no reporter is fired for continuing to get the AK law wrong!)

remember, the general welfare clause is not about making a welfare state (as indicated in the federalist papers). so the WHOLE of the idea of such a thing is unconstitutional, and has become more and more what they wanted, not what we allowed in. 

&lt;i&gt;Social progressivism is the view that the basic concepts of social mores, human nature, and morality are not fixed throughout history and should be revised as new scientific knowledge becomes available. &lt;/i&gt; (the part left out: unless it contradicts the prophets ideological pronouncements or the direction they want to go in)

&lt;i&gt;The &quot;First New Deal&quot; (March 8, 1933) dealt with groups; from banking and railroads to industry and farming. A &quot;Second New Deal&quot; in 1934-35 included the Wagner Act to promote labor unions, the Works Progress Administration (WPA) relief program, the Social Security Act, and new programs to aid tenant farmers and migrant workers. The Supreme Court ruled several programs unconstitutional; however, most were soon replaced, with the exception of the National Recovery Administration (NRA). After 1936, the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 was the only major legislation; it set maximum hours and minimum wages for most categories of workers.[2]&lt;/i&gt;

remember, the progressives wanted to eradicate the constitution, and knew that each thing they could get us to accept that was unconstititional made the original document irrelevant. at any point they could argue, why suddenly become purist after so much dirt...

from wiki... (not that great)
&lt;i&gt;It was predominantly in the late 19th and early 20th centuries that an organized system of state welfare provision was introduced in many countries. Otto von Bismarck, Chancellor  of Germany, introduced one of the first welfare systems for the working classes. In Great Britain the Liberal government of Henry Campbell-Bannerman and David Lloyd George introduced the National Insurance system in 1911,[7]  a system later expanded by Clement Attlee. The United States did not have an organized welfare system until the Great Depression, when emergency relief measures were introduced under President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Even then, Roosevelt&#039;s New Deal focused predominantly on a program of providing work and stimulating the economy through public spending on projects, rather than on cash payments.&lt;/i&gt;

So again..  WE are copying the germans from riht before the presence of hitler. 

i have tied this through MANY threads from different areas, and connected each threads lineage. from GSLEN, womens rights, welfare, and all kinds of stuff. ALL OF IT PRECEDED THE TOTALITARIAN STATE AND FACILITATED THAT CONVERSION.  we didnt run into the open arms as fast, but we are taking the same steps, just taking a lot longer to make them 

Otto Eduard Leopold von Bismarck  &lt;i&gt;He designed the German Empire in 1871, becoming its first Chancellor and dominating its affairs until his dismissal in 1890. His diplomacy of Realpolitik  and powerful rule gained him the nickname &quot;The Iron Chancellor&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;

so if you want to understand social security, its best to start at the beginning, NOT the middle in the US after they copied others. to the left liberals who know this history, it was bismark and his programs that created the conditions that were right to move forward to the progressive ideal. they refuse to consider that Hitler and such things are the natural end, but a aberration (that is 100% over time).  

and so they use history, so as to get the POWER to DESIGN society...  which is the POWER of Wiemar and its progressive ideas of women voting, gay sex, rights without responsibilities, and a lot of this was from the frankfurt school before they came here. after their ideas resulted in the opportunity for someone like hitler to seize the reigns. 

&lt;b&gt;Bismarck, working closely with big industry and aiming to head off the Socialists, implemented the world&#039;s first welfare state in the 1880s. Bismarck especially listened to Hermann Wagener and Theodor Lohmann, advisers who persuaded Bismarck to give workers a corporate status in the legal and political structures of the new German state.&lt;/b&gt;

again... the FIRST WELFARE STATE... so who are we copying again, but denying it? 

if social security type welfare was a SOCIALIST thing, during the era that everyone knew that socialism and communism and fascism are the same things in variation. 

So FDR, the guy who didnt care that he had communsits in his administration. whose wife was a member of the communist left branch of suffrage (who sought to crush the constitition, by using womens rights to batter a new way to make law, rather than debate and use the constitutional process!!!  since then, we stopped using the process and went to social anarchy as the way to establish a law!!!!!!!!!!!!! we went from rule of law, to rule by fear of those who would protest, as did the feminists, who also planted bombs, and smashed businesses. by picking things that would eventually come about by process, they claimed they were rusing progress. but what they were doing was taking a sure thing and using it to destroy process rather than wait for process and time to work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  we dont see that part of it at all (anymore))

&lt;i&gt;On 20 March 1884, Bismarck declared:

    [...]the actual complaint of the worker is the insecurity of his existence; he is unsure if he will always have work, he is unsure if he will always be healthy and he can predict that he will reach old age and be unable to work. If he falls into poverty, and be that only through prolonged illness, he will find himself totally helpless being on his own, and society currently does not accept any responsibility towards him beyond the usual provisions for the poor, even if he has been working all the time ever so diligently and faithfully. The ordinary provisions for the poor, however, leave a lot to be desired [...].[&lt;/i&gt;

so the idea for social welfare was from the socialists/communists who were competing for the public and power.   it was no different here, except today we dont know that the people in this fight were along these lines, adn that the debated reasons against, were not what we say they were today!!!

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;The 1880s were a period when Germany started on its long road towards the welfare state it is today. The Social Democratic, National Liberal and Center parties were all involved in the beginnings of social legislation, but it was Bismarck who established the first practical aspects of this program. Bismarck’s idea was to implement welfare programs that were acceptable to the conservatives without any of the overtly socialistic aspects. &lt;/b&gt;

He was dubious about laws protecting workers at the workplace, such as safe working conditions, limitation of work hours, and the regulation of women&#039;s and child labor, because he believed that such regulation would force workers and employers to reduce work and production, and thus harm the economy.

Bismarck opened debate on the subject on 17 November 1881 in the Imperial Message to the Reichstag, using the term practical Christianity[43] to describe his program. On 4 May 1881 Bismarck had also referred to this program as Staatssozialismus, when he made the following accurate prediction to Moritz Busch:

    It is possible that our policy may be reversed at some future time when I am dead; &lt;b&gt;but State Socialism will make its way&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

basically he was working towards state socialism as a way to cement his aristocracy as the benefactors of the people, who would ow them everythign, and so serve them. 

we have no inkling of this argument today.  we have no idea that the truth was it was a stealth means to establish a communist/socialist state. we also do not realize how all these programs and things set the people up for Hitler and tyranny and war...  as we cant imagine that the same steps would set the stage for a similar populous grab for power

so if you want to understand social security, look to weimar germany, and its connections to the progressives in america.. if you do that with the progressives history, you will see that by giving into the progressive ideas, weimar set up the way for hitler, who was a favorite of progressives as stalin was. 

note how they all made time man of the year. in fact, progressive leaders have all been time man of the years!!! hitler, stalin, mao, putin, obama.. 

once you get the arguments that were made in germany, and how they use it to sneak in state socialism... (ie communism)...   then you will understand that the arguments we have here, are the false ones that were only one side of the argument back then!!!!!!!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomass,<br />
   Go to planned parenthood and you will read scrubbed history of Sanger too. I even linked to the page. This is why i have to keep putting up long tracts. as i cant prove against &#8220;what everyone knows&#8221; and can flip out a revisioned answer. and the refutations and things on snopes and other places is often wrong&#8230;  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ssa.gov/history/fdrstmts.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ssa.gov/history/fdrstmts.html</a></p>
<p>just like with sanger, you cant trust exactly whats up.. </p>
<p>sad really&#8230;  remember its half truths, so waht is up is truthful, but often omits the details that are critical to a independent understanding. (and they often repeat and copy the wrong thing over and over. cracking a newspaper, and reading today, you can see that no reporter is fired for continuing to get the AK law wrong!)</p>
<p>remember, the general welfare clause is not about making a welfare state (as indicated in the federalist papers). so the WHOLE of the idea of such a thing is unconstitutional, and has become more and more what they wanted, not what we allowed in. </p>
<p><i>Social progressivism is the view that the basic concepts of social mores, human nature, and morality are not fixed throughout history and should be revised as new scientific knowledge becomes available. </i> (the part left out: unless it contradicts the prophets ideological pronouncements or the direction they want to go in)</p>
<p><i>The &#8220;First New Deal&#8221; (March 8, 1933) dealt with groups; from banking and railroads to industry and farming. A &#8220;Second New Deal&#8221; in 1934-35 included the Wagner Act to promote labor unions, the Works Progress Administration (WPA) relief program, the Social Security Act, and new programs to aid tenant farmers and migrant workers. The Supreme Court ruled several programs unconstitutional; however, most were soon replaced, with the exception of the National Recovery Administration (NRA). After 1936, the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 was the only major legislation; it set maximum hours and minimum wages for most categories of workers.[2]</i></p>
<p>remember, the progressives wanted to eradicate the constitution, and knew that each thing they could get us to accept that was unconstititional made the original document irrelevant. at any point they could argue, why suddenly become purist after so much dirt&#8230;</p>
<p>from wiki&#8230; (not that great)<br />
<i>It was predominantly in the late 19th and early 20th centuries that an organized system of state welfare provision was introduced in many countries. Otto von Bismarck, Chancellor  of Germany, introduced one of the first welfare systems for the working classes. In Great Britain the Liberal government of Henry Campbell-Bannerman and David Lloyd George introduced the National Insurance system in 1911,[7]  a system later expanded by Clement Attlee. The United States did not have an organized welfare system until the Great Depression, when emergency relief measures were introduced under President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Even then, Roosevelt&#8217;s New Deal focused predominantly on a program of providing work and stimulating the economy through public spending on projects, rather than on cash payments.</i></p>
<p>So again..  WE are copying the germans from riht before the presence of hitler. </p>
<p>i have tied this through MANY threads from different areas, and connected each threads lineage. from GSLEN, womens rights, welfare, and all kinds of stuff. ALL OF IT PRECEDED THE TOTALITARIAN STATE AND FACILITATED THAT CONVERSION.  we didnt run into the open arms as fast, but we are taking the same steps, just taking a lot longer to make them </p>
<p>Otto Eduard Leopold von Bismarck  <i>He designed the German Empire in 1871, becoming its first Chancellor and dominating its affairs until his dismissal in 1890. His diplomacy of Realpolitik  and powerful rule gained him the nickname &#8220;The Iron Chancellor&#8221;.</i></p>
<p>so if you want to understand social security, its best to start at the beginning, NOT the middle in the US after they copied others. to the left liberals who know this history, it was bismark and his programs that created the conditions that were right to move forward to the progressive ideal. they refuse to consider that Hitler and such things are the natural end, but a aberration (that is 100% over time).  </p>
<p>and so they use history, so as to get the POWER to DESIGN society&#8230;  which is the POWER of Wiemar and its progressive ideas of women voting, gay sex, rights without responsibilities, and a lot of this was from the frankfurt school before they came here. after their ideas resulted in the opportunity for someone like hitler to seize the reigns. </p>
<p><b>Bismarck, working closely with big industry and aiming to head off the Socialists, implemented the world&#8217;s first welfare state in the 1880s. Bismarck especially listened to Hermann Wagener and Theodor Lohmann, advisers who persuaded Bismarck to give workers a corporate status in the legal and political structures of the new German state.</b></p>
<p>again&#8230; the FIRST WELFARE STATE&#8230; so who are we copying again, but denying it? </p>
<p>if social security type welfare was a SOCIALIST thing, during the era that everyone knew that socialism and communism and fascism are the same things in variation. </p>
<p>So FDR, the guy who didnt care that he had communsits in his administration. whose wife was a member of the communist left branch of suffrage (who sought to crush the constitition, by using womens rights to batter a new way to make law, rather than debate and use the constitutional process!!!  since then, we stopped using the process and went to social anarchy as the way to establish a law!!!!!!!!!!!!! we went from rule of law, to rule by fear of those who would protest, as did the feminists, who also planted bombs, and smashed businesses. by picking things that would eventually come about by process, they claimed they were rusing progress. but what they were doing was taking a sure thing and using it to destroy process rather than wait for process and time to work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  we dont see that part of it at all (anymore))</p>
<p><i>On 20 March 1884, Bismarck declared:</p>
<p>    [&#8230;]the actual complaint of the worker is the insecurity of his existence; he is unsure if he will always have work, he is unsure if he will always be healthy and he can predict that he will reach old age and be unable to work. If he falls into poverty, and be that only through prolonged illness, he will find himself totally helpless being on his own, and society currently does not accept any responsibility towards him beyond the usual provisions for the poor, even if he has been working all the time ever so diligently and faithfully. The ordinary provisions for the poor, however, leave a lot to be desired [&#8230;].[</i></p>
<p>so the idea for social welfare was from the socialists/communists who were competing for the public and power.   it was no different here, except today we dont know that the people in this fight were along these lines, adn that the debated reasons against, were not what we say they were today!!!</p>
<p><i><b>The 1880s were a period when Germany started on its long road towards the welfare state it is today. The Social Democratic, National Liberal and Center parties were all involved in the beginnings of social legislation, but it was Bismarck who established the first practical aspects of this program. Bismarck’s idea was to implement welfare programs that were acceptable to the conservatives without any of the overtly socialistic aspects. </b></p>
<p>He was dubious about laws protecting workers at the workplace, such as safe working conditions, limitation of work hours, and the regulation of women&#8217;s and child labor, because he believed that such regulation would force workers and employers to reduce work and production, and thus harm the economy.</p>
<p>Bismarck opened debate on the subject on 17 November 1881 in the Imperial Message to the Reichstag, using the term practical Christianity[43] to describe his program. On 4 May 1881 Bismarck had also referred to this program as Staatssozialismus, when he made the following accurate prediction to Moritz Busch:</p>
<p>    It is possible that our policy may be reversed at some future time when I am dead; <b>but State Socialism will make its way</b></i></p>
<p>basically he was working towards state socialism as a way to cement his aristocracy as the benefactors of the people, who would ow them everythign, and so serve them. </p>
<p>we have no inkling of this argument today.  we have no idea that the truth was it was a stealth means to establish a communist/socialist state. we also do not realize how all these programs and things set the people up for Hitler and tyranny and war&#8230;  as we cant imagine that the same steps would set the stage for a similar populous grab for power</p>
<p>so if you want to understand social security, look to weimar germany, and its connections to the progressives in america.. if you do that with the progressives history, you will see that by giving into the progressive ideas, weimar set up the way for hitler, who was a favorite of progressives as stalin was. </p>
<p>note how they all made time man of the year. in fact, progressive leaders have all been time man of the years!!! hitler, stalin, mao, putin, obama.. </p>
<p>once you get the arguments that were made in germany, and how they use it to sneak in state socialism&#8230; (ie communism)&#8230;   then you will understand that the arguments we have here, are the false ones that were only one side of the argument back then!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr Says: 

&quot;And it was meant to be just for the poor…. 

that is COMPLETELY WRONG..&quot;

Nope, it is right. Social Security started as a lump payment to men (only) and targeted only to people with certain jobs (who were seen as in need of it... i.e., jobs for people that tended to be poor). Since then, eligibility has been expanded to where we are now. Universal and non means tested… on top of not adjusting the age for retirement up as people live longer…]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;And it was meant to be just for the poor…. </p>
<p>that is COMPLETELY WRONG..&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope, it is right. Social Security started as a lump payment to men (only) and targeted only to people with certain jobs (who were seen as in need of it&#8230; i.e., jobs for people that tended to be poor). Since then, eligibility has been expanded to where we are now. Universal and non means tested… on top of not adjusting the age for retirement up as people live longer…</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;“It’s also a good example of how we still don’t have any great communicators on our side . . . ”&lt;/i&gt;

yeah.. 

cicero, stuart mill, and the others didnt do sound bites.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“It’s also a good example of how we still don’t have any great communicators on our side . . . ”</i></p>
<p>yeah.. </p>
<p>cicero, stuart mill, and the others didnt do sound bites.</p>
<p>great communicators need able listeners</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[SteveH Says: 

&lt;i&gt;Giving benefit of the doubt to an ally whose reputation you know and trust is not PC. It’s normal human nature. Giving the benefit to groups who unashamedly despise you is only... parading as fashionable thought.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, but hopefully one can tell the difference. I&#039;m not talking about Al Queda or even Hamas. I&#039;m talking about politicians [or media persons] who are sometimes critical of Israel in the same way the right wing might be critical of America now that Obama is in charge. 

No one would claim if you were critical of Obama that you hate America. [Or no one should]. And no one should claim you are a racist either. [Although some would]. And so in the same way if someone criticizes the current Israeli government they are charged with anti-Semitism. It&#039;s the same misguided knee-jerk principle that affects both the left and the right.]]></description>
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<p><i>Giving benefit of the doubt to an ally whose reputation you know and trust is not PC. It’s normal human nature. Giving the benefit to groups who unashamedly despise you is only&#8230; parading as fashionable thought.</i></p>
<p>Yes, but hopefully one can tell the difference. I&#8217;m not talking about Al Queda or even Hamas. I&#8217;m talking about politicians [or media persons] who are sometimes critical of Israel in the same way the right wing might be critical of America now that Obama is in charge. </p>
<p>No one would claim if you were critical of Obama that you hate America. [Or no one should]. And no one should claim you are a racist either. [Although some would]. And so in the same way if someone criticizes the current Israeli government they are charged with anti-Semitism. It&#8217;s the same misguided knee-jerk principle that affects both the left and the right.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yep. That about sums it up.]]></description>
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					<description><![CDATA[Curtis, I think a fundamental problem is that decent people go about their lives until catastrophe looms, whereas - based on my experience at Berkeley - leftists live, eat, and breathe subversion and revolutionary fervor every waking hour. They&#039;re obsessed by it; it utterly consumes them, and seems to color their every thought and deed. They&#039;ll argue endlessly over the implications of laughably mundane matters, and consider it time well-spent. Trivial issues such as dog licensing in Berkeley became clarion calls to man the barricades to fight the oppression of The Man. 

Their single-mindedness, their peculiar sense of morality and decency (reprehensible actions in the name of humanity strikes no discordant note), their general lack of shame, and their common lack of other temporal commitments (jobs, families, houses, mortgages, non-political hobbies and friends), makes leftists difficult to counter in a public forum.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curtis, I think a fundamental problem is that decent people go about their lives until catastrophe looms, whereas &#8211; based on my experience at Berkeley &#8211; leftists live, eat, and breathe subversion and revolutionary fervor every waking hour. They&#8217;re obsessed by it; it utterly consumes them, and seems to color their every thought and deed. They&#8217;ll argue endlessly over the implications of laughably mundane matters, and consider it time well-spent. Trivial issues such as dog licensing in Berkeley became clarion calls to man the barricades to fight the oppression of The Man. </p>
<p>Their single-mindedness, their peculiar sense of morality and decency (reprehensible actions in the name of humanity strikes no discordant note), their general lack of shame, and their common lack of other temporal commitments (jobs, families, houses, mortgages, non-political hobbies and friends), makes leftists difficult to counter in a public forum.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;It’s also a good example of how we still don’t have any great communicators on our side . . . &quot;

There is an inherent disadvantage the good has in their fight against evil. The focus necessary for &quot;great communications&quot; is not available (or allowed, listened to . . .) until a late stage of the game. Evil remains hid and camouflaged until it thinks it has enough power for overt control. Then, it strikes and swallows whole.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s also a good example of how we still don’t have any great communicators on our side . . . &#8221;</p>
<p>There is an inherent disadvantage the good has in their fight against evil. The focus necessary for &#8220;great communications&#8221; is not available (or allowed, listened to . . .) until a late stage of the game. Evil remains hid and camouflaged until it thinks it has enough power for overt control. Then, it strikes and swallows whole.</p>
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