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		By: Cameron Wood		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/24/why-gardner-wants-the-firing-squad/#comment-157754</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cameron Wood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 20:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@PA Cat:

The Tanners, of course, have had their collective output debunked for years now. Feel free &lt;a href=&quot;http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/review/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;to do some reading up on it&lt;/a&gt;.

@Christy:

I&#039;m offering the link for pretty much everyone but PA Cat, who I know won&#039;t touch the link even with a ten-foot pole that&#039;s been blessed by the top ten best-selling evangelical authors of your local bookstore. I learned the following the hard way during Mitt&#039;s last &quot;official&quot; run for President: Someone who&#039;s gone out of their way to post the usual nonsense on-line is someone who&#039;s already convinced that Mormons aren&#039;t merely dupes of Satan but are instead actually conspirators with Satan. All we can do in our defense on-line is offer information to a curious lurking audience who, hopefully, understand that books with titles like &quot;The TRUTH About Mormons!&quot; or whatever don&#039;t offer much in the way of actual truth. It&#039;s true of like books about pretty much every sect so targeted, but, being Mormon and a reader of this particular blog, I feel I have a vested interest in offering at the very least a link or two when some hoary old chestnut like &quot;blood atonement&quot; comes up.

I&#039;ll go back to silently following the blog now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PA Cat:</p>
<p>The Tanners, of course, have had their collective output debunked for years now. Feel free <a href="http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/review/" rel="nofollow">to do some reading up on it</a>.</p>
<p>@Christy:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m offering the link for pretty much everyone but PA Cat, who I know won&#8217;t touch the link even with a ten-foot pole that&#8217;s been blessed by the top ten best-selling evangelical authors of your local bookstore. I learned the following the hard way during Mitt&#8217;s last &#8220;official&#8221; run for President: Someone who&#8217;s gone out of their way to post the usual nonsense on-line is someone who&#8217;s already convinced that Mormons aren&#8217;t merely dupes of Satan but are instead actually conspirators with Satan. All we can do in our defense on-line is offer information to a curious lurking audience who, hopefully, understand that books with titles like &#8220;The TRUTH About Mormons!&#8221; or whatever don&#8217;t offer much in the way of actual truth. It&#8217;s true of like books about pretty much every sect so targeted, but, being Mormon and a reader of this particular blog, I feel I have a vested interest in offering at the very least a link or two when some hoary old chestnut like &#8220;blood atonement&#8221; comes up.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll go back to silently following the blog now.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/24/why-gardner-wants-the-firing-squad/#comment-157496</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nolanimrod: Oops!  Will fix.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nolanimrod: Oops!  Will fix.</p>
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		By: Nolanimrod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/24/why-gardner-wants-the-firing-squad/#comment-157467</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nolanimrod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;title referring to Gilmore’s insistence on such a &lt;strong&gt;message&lt;/strong&gt; of execution for that very reason&lt;/em&gt;

Freudian negligee?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>title referring to Gilmore’s insistence on such a <strong>message</strong> of execution for that very reason</em></p>
<p>Freudian negligee?</p>
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		By: Tatyana		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/24/why-gardner-wants-the-firing-squad/#comment-157386</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatyana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank, PA Cat.

Yours and Christy&#039;s comments are a nice counterpoint.
Of course, there is unintended piquancy in Christy&#039;s assertion that &quot;blood atoning...was done vicariously through sacrificial animals&quot;.

As if finding a substitute scapegoat in a person of one ancient Jew crucified 2010 years ago makes it somehow principally different. Speaking of scapegoats - Judaism, too, has quite a few remnants of the same antique tradition, if only symbolically now. Not so much requiring suspension of disbelief as Jesus&#039; blood and flesh transformed into wine and bread, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank, PA Cat.</p>
<p>Yours and Christy&#8217;s comments are a nice counterpoint.<br />
Of course, there is unintended piquancy in Christy&#8217;s assertion that &#8220;blood atoning&#8230;was done vicariously through sacrificial animals&#8221;.</p>
<p>As if finding a substitute scapegoat in a person of one ancient Jew crucified 2010 years ago makes it somehow principally different. Speaking of scapegoats &#8211; Judaism, too, has quite a few remnants of the same antique tradition, if only symbolically now. Not so much requiring suspension of disbelief as Jesus&#8217; blood and flesh transformed into wine and bread, though.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/24/why-gardner-wants-the-firing-squad/#comment-157289</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Occam&#039;s Beard:
Yeah, I hear you.  I&#039;ve done some internet reading tonight, but I haven&#039;t felt like commenting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occam&#8217;s Beard:<br />
Yeah, I hear you.  I&#8217;ve done some internet reading tonight, but I haven&#8217;t felt like commenting.</p>
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		By: Christy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/24/why-gardner-wants-the-firing-squad/#comment-157282</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 05:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Uh...wut?

Granted, I may be an unusual Mormon, but the blood atonement teaching of the church matches the rest of Christiandom, i.e. - Jesus did all the blood atoning and before that it was done vicariously through sacrificial animals.  Never in any of the teachings are members taught that their sins are paid for with their &lt;i&gt;own&lt;/i&gt; blood.  In fact, this goes against the basic teachings of the atonement and the gospel.

Don&#039;t know where the other people are getting their information from, but it&#039;s not church teaching.  This is verifiable through research into older church publications straight from the top (i.e. - the First Presidency), &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; the misunderstandings of people who have an agenda against the church.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh&#8230;wut?</p>
<p>Granted, I may be an unusual Mormon, but the blood atonement teaching of the church matches the rest of Christiandom, i.e. &#8211; Jesus did all the blood atoning and before that it was done vicariously through sacrificial animals.  Never in any of the teachings are members taught that their sins are paid for with their <i>own</i> blood.  In fact, this goes against the basic teachings of the atonement and the gospel.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know where the other people are getting their information from, but it&#8217;s not church teaching.  This is verifiable through research into older church publications straight from the top (i.e. &#8211; the First Presidency), <i>not</i> the misunderstandings of people who have an agenda against the church.</p>
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		By: PA Cat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/24/why-gardner-wants-the-firing-squad/#comment-157279</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PA Cat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 04:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tatyana--

Here is a link to an article on the history underlying the Mormon teaching about blood atonement. The authors are a husband and wife (still living in Salt Lake City, I think) who grew up Mormon and left the church after they began to do historical research into early Mormonism. At the time this article was first published, the Tanners ran an outreach ministry to former Mormons and those considering leaving.

http://www.exmormon.org/bloodatn.htm

Hope it helps fill in the background of the doctrine for you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tatyana&#8211;</p>
<p>Here is a link to an article on the history underlying the Mormon teaching about blood atonement. The authors are a husband and wife (still living in Salt Lake City, I think) who grew up Mormon and left the church after they began to do historical research into early Mormonism. At the time this article was first published, the Tanners ran an outreach ministry to former Mormons and those considering leaving.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.exmormon.org/bloodatn.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.exmormon.org/bloodatn.htm</a></p>
<p>Hope it helps fill in the background of the doctrine for you.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/24/why-gardner-wants-the-firing-squad/#comment-157273</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 04:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At the risk of sounding melodramatic, it sometimes seems as though we may be in the run-up to a cataclysmic convulsion. Tonight is one of those times. If so, I only hope it happens soon, while I&#039;m still fit enough to help do what needs to be done, and to spare my boys having to take part in it. I&#039;ve had my time. I just want them to have theirs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of sounding melodramatic, it sometimes seems as though we may be in the run-up to a cataclysmic convulsion. Tonight is one of those times. If so, I only hope it happens soon, while I&#8217;m still fit enough to help do what needs to be done, and to spare my boys having to take part in it. I&#8217;ve had my time. I just want them to have theirs.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 03:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I am, Tatyana.

The world is too much with me tonight, I&#039;m afraid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I am, Tatyana.</p>
<p>The world is too much with me tonight, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
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		By: Tatyana		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/24/why-gardner-wants-the-firing-squad/#comment-157271</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatyana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 03:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OB, you sound unusually gloomy tonight]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OB, you sound unusually gloomy tonight</p>
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