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		By: Amused Observer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amused Observer]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the Geoffrey plan is a good one.  It is simple, straight foreward, and doesn&#039;t lose the message getting bogged down in policy minutia.  It isn&#039;t &quot;mean spirited&quot; nor strikingly partisan done correctly.

Seldom (ever?) has an administration been so reliant upon a fawning media and the uncritical love of the perveyers of pop culture.  This is a critical vulnerability should the tables be turned.  The Geoffrey campaign as a steady unrefutable drumbeat could lead to deep cracks in the armour around the Obama psyche.  In the age of youtube Obama&#039;s own words contrasted against themselves delivered in his typical manner could really do something.

My view is that Obama is thin skinned and that weakness should be exploited.  He may be tough in the sense he is ruthless and not constrained by morality or consistancy, the end justifies the means.  But I don&#039;t think he is tough in the sense of being able to roll with the punches, of being able to absorb punishment.  I don&#039;t see him having the fortitude to stand up to a barrage of ridicule and abuse anything at all similar to what Bush shrugged off as a matter of course.

Would Obama have much defense against being portrayed as latter day Al Gore, internet inventer and all around laughing stock?   Maybe laughter and ridicule can provoke his Waterloo.  

The Geoffrey plan well executed deprives Obama of his chief political tool, his silver tongue.  If the concensus shifts  the more he talks the weaker his position.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Geoffrey plan is a good one.  It is simple, straight foreward, and doesn&#8217;t lose the message getting bogged down in policy minutia.  It isn&#8217;t &#8220;mean spirited&#8221; nor strikingly partisan done correctly.</p>
<p>Seldom (ever?) has an administration been so reliant upon a fawning media and the uncritical love of the perveyers of pop culture.  This is a critical vulnerability should the tables be turned.  The Geoffrey campaign as a steady unrefutable drumbeat could lead to deep cracks in the armour around the Obama psyche.  In the age of youtube Obama&#8217;s own words contrasted against themselves delivered in his typical manner could really do something.</p>
<p>My view is that Obama is thin skinned and that weakness should be exploited.  He may be tough in the sense he is ruthless and not constrained by morality or consistancy, the end justifies the means.  But I don&#8217;t think he is tough in the sense of being able to roll with the punches, of being able to absorb punishment.  I don&#8217;t see him having the fortitude to stand up to a barrage of ridicule and abuse anything at all similar to what Bush shrugged off as a matter of course.</p>
<p>Would Obama have much defense against being portrayed as latter day Al Gore, internet inventer and all around laughing stock?   Maybe laughter and ridicule can provoke his Waterloo.  </p>
<p>The Geoffrey plan well executed deprives Obama of his chief political tool, his silver tongue.  If the concensus shifts  the more he talks the weaker his position.</p>
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		By: Adrian Day		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian Day]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, a Value Added Tax suits Obama’s administration perfectly. It’s such an Orwellian phrase, an oxymoron really. I mean how can you have a value added tax? Isn’t value added supposed to be like putting 20 ounces of potato chips in a 16 ounce bag but still charging the same price?

With VAT, as I understand it a product you buy is levied as it is being manufactured with a tax on the elements that go into its production. This of course is passed onto the consumer in a higher ticket price. And of course you are taxed on that ticket price and so therefore are paying tax on taxes.

Obama should consider a VAT on Electricity. It would go perfect with Cap and Trade.

He says he lowered taxes for millions of Americans. We should be thanking him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, a Value Added Tax suits Obama’s administration perfectly. It’s such an Orwellian phrase, an oxymoron really. I mean how can you have a value added tax? Isn’t value added supposed to be like putting 20 ounces of potato chips in a 16 ounce bag but still charging the same price?</p>
<p>With VAT, as I understand it a product you buy is levied as it is being manufactured with a tax on the elements that go into its production. This of course is passed onto the consumer in a higher ticket price. And of course you are taxed on that ticket price and so therefore are paying tax on taxes.</p>
<p>Obama should consider a VAT on Electricity. It would go perfect with Cap and Trade.</p>
<p>He says he lowered taxes for millions of Americans. We should be thanking him.</p>
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		By: t-bird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[t-bird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To be honest, he&#039;s has cut my income taxes tremendously.  ...by cutting my income.  After spending 2009 watching the Oconomic Miracle from the sidelines, I was lucky to get a contract this winter.  Same rate as my first contract in &lt;em&gt;1985&lt;/em&gt;.  We&#039;ve come a long way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, he&#8217;s has cut my income taxes tremendously.  &#8230;by cutting my income.  After spending 2009 watching the Oconomic Miracle from the sidelines, I was lucky to get a contract this winter.  Same rate as my first contract in <em>1985</em>.  We&#8217;ve come a long way.</p>
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		By: Bob From Virginia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob From Virginia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Will doing one thing and then condemning it is typical Obama.  Remember the SOTU in which he condemned the spendthrift ways of government, damning the drug companies while accepting their support in return for favorable legislation.  

So far the only thing he appears to have done right is channeling money to Afghanistan to specific projects rather than a general pool.  Everything else from what I can see has been wrong or partially wrong.
He deserves an award for his actions from Iran.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will doing one thing and then condemning it is typical Obama.  Remember the SOTU in which he condemned the spendthrift ways of government, damning the drug companies while accepting their support in return for favorable legislation.  </p>
<p>So far the only thing he appears to have done right is channeling money to Afghanistan to specific projects rather than a general pool.  Everything else from what I can see has been wrong or partially wrong.<br />
He deserves an award for his actions from Iran.</p>
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		By: will		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[will]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m still reeling from the bit of absurdist theater I recently witnessed. It seems the Mahdi that recieved tens of millions from Wall Street has excoriated the same all while keeping a straight face. 

Is all this stuff real, or a new television show?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still reeling from the bit of absurdist theater I recently witnessed. It seems the Mahdi that recieved tens of millions from Wall Street has excoriated the same all while keeping a straight face. </p>
<p>Is all this stuff real, or a new television show?</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think Geoffrey Britain&#039;s approach is good. You feed the egos of the all knowing by asking them to explain things to you. You raise doubts among those who have not been paying attention, and you put some pressure on the media to do their job, which is to provide information. We will still need the intelligent criticism provided by WSJ and NRO articles, but these don&#039;t reach all the voters we need. Every congressional candidate should face questions this year in their rallies back home. If Jack the car dealer and Jill the restaurant owner stand up and say explain this to me, their employees and customers and suppliers will notice. And Since Jack and Jill are known to support local fire companies and libraries and food banks, no one will believe they are in the same league as greedy Wall Street bankers or misogynistic racists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Geoffrey Britain&#8217;s approach is good. You feed the egos of the all knowing by asking them to explain things to you. You raise doubts among those who have not been paying attention, and you put some pressure on the media to do their job, which is to provide information. We will still need the intelligent criticism provided by WSJ and NRO articles, but these don&#8217;t reach all the voters we need. Every congressional candidate should face questions this year in their rallies back home. If Jack the car dealer and Jill the restaurant owner stand up and say explain this to me, their employees and customers and suppliers will notice. And Since Jack and Jill are known to support local fire companies and libraries and food banks, no one will believe they are in the same league as greedy Wall Street bankers or misogynistic racists.</p>
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		By: Perfected democrat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Perfected democrat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-04-22-health-care-costs_N.htm?csp=24&#038;RM_Exclude=Juno&#038;POE=click-refer&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A report by economic experts at the Health and Human Services Department said the health care remake will &lt;/a&gt;&quot; cause costs for seniors, in particular, to go up ....  For all practical purposes this is yet another tax, but on the aging segment of the population least able to work and to afford it; what a sham....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-04-22-health-care-costs_N.htm?csp=24&amp;RM_Exclude=Juno&amp;POE=click-refer" rel="nofollow">A report by economic experts at the Health and Human Services Department said the health care remake will </a>&#8221; cause costs for seniors, in particular, to go up &#8230;.  For all practical purposes this is yet another tax, but on the aging segment of the population least able to work and to afford it; what a sham&#8230;.</p>
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		By: csimon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[csimon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain, I agree a focused campaign is needed &#038; the sooner, the better, but rather than rhetorical questions, an &quot;educating the public&quot; re specifics in Dem legislation, passed and proposed, would accomplish more.  The tide began turning against Obama &#038; Dems as the public learned more about what was actually IN the healthcare bill and much of  their other planned legislation (i.e. Cap and Trade, Card Check, Immigration Reform, more Stimulus) as opposed to just knowing, for example, that  Healthcare was 2000+ pages which is about all the info the MSM reported.  When the Democrats&#039; corruption and the arrogant manipulation of procedure (for which our President admitted on air that he cared little) to achieve their intended ends, people stopped and thought a good bit more.  Now, we face some 1500+ pages of the proposed Dodd Finance Reform bill which has some jarringly scary provisions, there&#039;s a lot more distrust.  Folks want to know about the Big Union ties and the Administration&#039;s continued giveaways of taxpayers&#039; $. They are alert as we face almost certain tax increases to finance the Obama Spenderama.    Fact is, the larger part of the public doesn&#039;t seek out info on their own and, unfortunately, more voters than not are pretty much ignorant re: issues and policy.  As Ricki said they want to go about their lives and be left alone.  As Bob from Virginia pointed out, unless people feel personal pain, they are not motivated to take an iinterest, seek out more info. and become active.  But we&#039;re feeling pain, and realizing that there is a lot more to come if we don&#039;t take action soon -- very soon.   

In many ways, I actually think this is a very exciting time in our history.  For the first time, at least in my lifetime,  we&#039;re seeing Americans not only realize that something is very wrong, that our very identity, our values, and our freedoms are seriously threatened, but they are becoming proactive and realizing that they &quot;are not alone&quot; (am I really quoting Glenn Beck?!).  We&#039;re realizing the &quot;power of the people&quot; is a reality, and was very much intended to be so by the founding forefathers.  

I was born in late 50&#039;s and remember the 60&#039;s as a blur of protests and rebellion and black and white clips of Viet Nam flashing behind Walter Cronkite.  It was about revolution and  violence and mayhem were not uncommon.  Today&#039;s protests are about preservation -- of the country most of us grew up in where democracy and individual freedoms are paramount.  To me, the Tea Parties and the record number of people becoming active evidence the realization that it is necessary to take personal responsibiity.  If we don&#039;t speak out and take action against the frighteningly real threats of socialism, the nanny state, and the redistribution of wealth, who will?  If it takes four years of Barack Obama and far Left trying to wreak havoc on America to awaken the sleeping giant, it may be a relatively small price to pay (metaphorically, not literally) in the long run.

These days, one thing I thank the Lord for regularly is Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes.  I shudder to think where we&#039;d all be without Fox and The Wall Street Journal to counter the manipulation and duplicity of the liberal MSM.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey Britain, I agree a focused campaign is needed &amp; the sooner, the better, but rather than rhetorical questions, an &#8220;educating the public&#8221; re specifics in Dem legislation, passed and proposed, would accomplish more.  The tide began turning against Obama &amp; Dems as the public learned more about what was actually IN the healthcare bill and much of  their other planned legislation (i.e. Cap and Trade, Card Check, Immigration Reform, more Stimulus) as opposed to just knowing, for example, that  Healthcare was 2000+ pages which is about all the info the MSM reported.  When the Democrats&#8217; corruption and the arrogant manipulation of procedure (for which our President admitted on air that he cared little) to achieve their intended ends, people stopped and thought a good bit more.  Now, we face some 1500+ pages of the proposed Dodd Finance Reform bill which has some jarringly scary provisions, there&#8217;s a lot more distrust.  Folks want to know about the Big Union ties and the Administration&#8217;s continued giveaways of taxpayers&#8217; $. They are alert as we face almost certain tax increases to finance the Obama Spenderama.    Fact is, the larger part of the public doesn&#8217;t seek out info on their own and, unfortunately, more voters than not are pretty much ignorant re: issues and policy.  As Ricki said they want to go about their lives and be left alone.  As Bob from Virginia pointed out, unless people feel personal pain, they are not motivated to take an iinterest, seek out more info. and become active.  But we&#8217;re feeling pain, and realizing that there is a lot more to come if we don&#8217;t take action soon &#8212; very soon.   </p>
<p>In many ways, I actually think this is a very exciting time in our history.  For the first time, at least in my lifetime,  we&#8217;re seeing Americans not only realize that something is very wrong, that our very identity, our values, and our freedoms are seriously threatened, but they are becoming proactive and realizing that they &#8220;are not alone&#8221; (am I really quoting Glenn Beck?!).  We&#8217;re realizing the &#8220;power of the people&#8221; is a reality, and was very much intended to be so by the founding forefathers.  </p>
<p>I was born in late 50&#8217;s and remember the 60&#8217;s as a blur of protests and rebellion and black and white clips of Viet Nam flashing behind Walter Cronkite.  It was about revolution and  violence and mayhem were not uncommon.  Today&#8217;s protests are about preservation &#8212; of the country most of us grew up in where democracy and individual freedoms are paramount.  To me, the Tea Parties and the record number of people becoming active evidence the realization that it is necessary to take personal responsibiity.  If we don&#8217;t speak out and take action against the frighteningly real threats of socialism, the nanny state, and the redistribution of wealth, who will?  If it takes four years of Barack Obama and far Left trying to wreak havoc on America to awaken the sleeping giant, it may be a relatively small price to pay (metaphorically, not literally) in the long run.</p>
<p>These days, one thing I thank the Lord for regularly is Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes.  I shudder to think where we&#8217;d all be without Fox and The Wall Street Journal to counter the manipulation and duplicity of the liberal MSM.</p>
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		By: Bob From Virginia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob From Virginia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 03:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain, I&#039;m game, as one far sighted philosophy stated, let&#039;s go through the motions, maybe we&#039;ll get lucky.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey Britain, I&#8217;m game, as one far sighted philosophy stated, let&#8217;s go through the motions, maybe we&#8217;ll get lucky.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 02:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BoV,

I&#039;ll admit that I am swayed more by reasoned debate than the average apathetic voter. Fortunately, I&#039;m not suggesting reasoned debate. I&#039;m suggesting non-confrontational, perhaps I&#039;m too stupid to get it, so please explain it to me ads... 

As in, he said this, now he says this, huh? He couldn&#039;t (sarc) have been lying, so how do we square this circle? 

One ad surely won&#039;t change a thing. A campaign however, a bombardment of rhetorical questions is quite another. The goal is NOT to &lt;i&gt;convince&lt;/i&gt; the brain dead, the goal is to raise &lt;i&gt;distrust&lt;/i&gt; by pointing out, through implication, that he&#039;s not trustworthy. Then, they&#039;ll attach the label of liar to Obama because while most people are intellectually lazy, they&#039;re not stupid. 

Will that convince a majority of liberals? Of course not, but then for many, nothing would, including if Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, Moses, Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Karl Marx all suddenly appeared, decrying the liberal agenda. 

Fortunately we don&#039;t need a majority of liberal Democrats, we need a majority of independents in Nov. 

We already have that, we just need to maintain the momentum. Which given the influx of stimulus dollars waiting to be injected into the economy this summer is critical for us to maintain. 

I&#039;m not suggesting this as a panacea, I&#039;m suggesting it should be employed as one of many tools.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BoV,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit that I am swayed more by reasoned debate than the average apathetic voter. Fortunately, I&#8217;m not suggesting reasoned debate. I&#8217;m suggesting non-confrontational, perhaps I&#8217;m too stupid to get it, so please explain it to me ads&#8230; </p>
<p>As in, he said this, now he says this, huh? He couldn&#8217;t (sarc) have been lying, so how do we square this circle? </p>
<p>One ad surely won&#8217;t change a thing. A campaign however, a bombardment of rhetorical questions is quite another. The goal is NOT to <i>convince</i> the brain dead, the goal is to raise <i>distrust</i> by pointing out, through implication, that he&#8217;s not trustworthy. Then, they&#8217;ll attach the label of liar to Obama because while most people are intellectually lazy, they&#8217;re not stupid. </p>
<p>Will that convince a majority of liberals? Of course not, but then for many, nothing would, including if Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, Moses, Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Karl Marx all suddenly appeared, decrying the liberal agenda. </p>
<p>Fortunately we don&#8217;t need a majority of liberal Democrats, we need a majority of independents in Nov. </p>
<p>We already have that, we just need to maintain the momentum. Which given the influx of stimulus dollars waiting to be injected into the economy this summer is critical for us to maintain. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting this as a panacea, I&#8217;m suggesting it should be employed as one of many tools.</p>
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