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		By: Jim Sullivan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/21/arizona-continues-to-get-tough/#comment-156940</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Sullivan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;You perfectly illustrated a programmed response to a very important subject. Enough already! That’s how I feel and you should feel given our Manchurian candidate. Instead of duplicating the progressive left’s own arguments, (who have anticipated your repugnance to conspiracy theories) buy Fredrick’s book and give it a good read. You can find quite a bit on his website: http://colony14.net/id41.html&quot;


I&#039;m aware of the timeline Curtis, and of the evidence. Back in the beginning, I was ready to grasp at the &quot;Obama not a citizen&quot; straw. But the evidence just doesn&#039;t hold up. He was born in Hawaii, and he is a U.S. citizen. 

As for my repugnance for conspiracy theories, I&#039;m actually kind of an officianado of them. There are some I acutally find credible, though a only tiny percentage. Back when I had time, I posted regularly on my blog about them. I&#039;m not repeating the progressive/liberal line. I&#039;ve just examined the issue and found it horse squeeze.

In short: Programmed My Ass.

There are plenty of other demonstrable, verifiable shenanigans to focus on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You perfectly illustrated a programmed response to a very important subject. Enough already! That’s how I feel and you should feel given our Manchurian candidate. Instead of duplicating the progressive left’s own arguments, (who have anticipated your repugnance to conspiracy theories) buy Fredrick’s book and give it a good read. You can find quite a bit on his website: <a href="http://colony14.net/id41.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://colony14.net/id41.html</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m aware of the timeline Curtis, and of the evidence. Back in the beginning, I was ready to grasp at the &#8220;Obama not a citizen&#8221; straw. But the evidence just doesn&#8217;t hold up. He was born in Hawaii, and he is a U.S. citizen. </p>
<p>As for my repugnance for conspiracy theories, I&#8217;m actually kind of an officianado of them. There are some I acutally find credible, though a only tiny percentage. Back when I had time, I posted regularly on my blog about them. I&#8217;m not repeating the progressive/liberal line. I&#8217;ve just examined the issue and found it horse squeeze.</p>
<p>In short: Programmed My Ass.</p>
<p>There are plenty of other demonstrable, verifiable shenanigans to focus on.</p>
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		By: Teresa		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/21/arizona-continues-to-get-tough/#comment-156904</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teresa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ps.  Not to impugn the new media but I don&#039;t know of any blogs that have the resources to fully investigate and publicize such things.   I saw lots of screen captures of donating as Joseph Stalin etc back then.    If the big media had even broadcast those stories we wouldn&#039;t have the chicago thug in the WH.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps.  Not to impugn the new media but I don&#8217;t know of any blogs that have the resources to fully investigate and publicize such things.   I saw lots of screen captures of donating as Joseph Stalin etc back then.    If the big media had even broadcast those stories we wouldn&#8217;t have the chicago thug in the WH.</p>
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		By: Teresa		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/21/arizona-continues-to-get-tough/#comment-156903</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teresa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d rather see a team of forensic accountants or whatever the proper term is prove the gross violations of the FEC laws during his campaign.  Everybody knows Barry took 100s of millions from foreign donors.   This might take out Biden as well since he was part of the campaign.  --Have the case ready to go in January once the risk of President Pelosi has been removed.  

I&#039;d donate money to fund an independent investigation into that.  Sigh, I believe if we had an honest media they would have investigated and blown the story open well before Nov 2008.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather see a team of forensic accountants or whatever the proper term is prove the gross violations of the FEC laws during his campaign.  Everybody knows Barry took 100s of millions from foreign donors.   This might take out Biden as well since he was part of the campaign.  &#8211;Have the case ready to go in January once the risk of President Pelosi has been removed.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d donate money to fund an independent investigation into that.  Sigh, I believe if we had an honest media they would have investigated and blown the story open well before Nov 2008.</p>
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		By: Curtis		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/21/arizona-continues-to-get-tough/#comment-156894</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Curtis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jim Sullivan:  You perfectly illustrated a programmed response to a very important subject. Enough already! That&#039;s how I feel and you should feel given our Manchurian candidate. Instead of duplicating the progressive left&#039;s own arguments, (who have anticipated your repugnance to conspiracy theories) buy Fredrick&#039;s book and give it a good read. You can find quite a bit on his website: http://colony14.net/id41.html

The problem isn&#039;t the facts or evidence but finding a way to present the case to the Supreme Court. Read about Donofrio and his attempt.  What is needed is a credible person who can find a way to overcome the problem of standing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Sullivan:  You perfectly illustrated a programmed response to a very important subject. Enough already! That&#8217;s how I feel and you should feel given our Manchurian candidate. Instead of duplicating the progressive left&#8217;s own arguments, (who have anticipated your repugnance to conspiracy theories) buy Fredrick&#8217;s book and give it a good read. You can find quite a bit on his website: <a href="http://colony14.net/id41.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://colony14.net/id41.html</a></p>
<p>The problem isn&#8217;t the facts or evidence but finding a way to present the case to the Supreme Court. Read about Donofrio and his attempt.  What is needed is a credible person who can find a way to overcome the problem of standing.</p>
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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/21/arizona-continues-to-get-tough/#comment-156890</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Assistant Village Idiot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AJB, yes, I believe that&#039;s the exact wording of the bill, too.  &quot;The Police shall have the authority to harass brown people for no reason.&quot;  We were trying to fool you, but I guess you were too smart for us, seeing through our ruse.  

Curses!  If it hadn&#039;t been for those kids I would have ruled the world!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJB, yes, I believe that&#8217;s the exact wording of the bill, too.  &#8220;The Police shall have the authority to harass brown people for no reason.&#8221;  We were trying to fool you, but I guess you were too smart for us, seeing through our ruse.  </p>
<p>Curses!  If it hadn&#8217;t been for those kids I would have ruled the world!</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/21/arizona-continues-to-get-tough/#comment-156860</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 02:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In Texas, thirty five years ago, the ONLY people raising the issue of illegal entry were Latino. My family is mostly Celto-Texan, but we have been here since, in some cases, before Stephen F Austin, and there is a fair number of Cherokee and Mexicans to be found in our family tree.  Most Anglo/Celto Texans only became concerned about illegal immigration about ten years ago.  My long-term  patient&#039;s Mexican mother and aunts began to complain about how cheaply some people would clean a house.  Duh!  I began to see that the constant influx of cheap third world labor was constantly depressing wages, first for Blacks, and then for longer established Mexicans and Mexican Americans.  Incidentally, there is considerable mutual disdain among all three groups.  

The most important thing, however, is the way that this issue illustrates the fragmentation of the Social Democrat paradigm.  The people favoring the importation of cheap third-world labor are the people who hope to exploit that labor, and are Democrats. (You know, the defenders of the working man?) The people opposing the continuing unobstructed flow are working people who see the real problems, and know who is paying for this &quot;generous&quot; attitude.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Texas, thirty five years ago, the ONLY people raising the issue of illegal entry were Latino. My family is mostly Celto-Texan, but we have been here since, in some cases, before Stephen F Austin, and there is a fair number of Cherokee and Mexicans to be found in our family tree.  Most Anglo/Celto Texans only became concerned about illegal immigration about ten years ago.  My long-term  patient&#8217;s Mexican mother and aunts began to complain about how cheaply some people would clean a house.  Duh!  I began to see that the constant influx of cheap third world labor was constantly depressing wages, first for Blacks, and then for longer established Mexicans and Mexican Americans.  Incidentally, there is considerable mutual disdain among all three groups.  </p>
<p>The most important thing, however, is the way that this issue illustrates the fragmentation of the Social Democrat paradigm.  The people favoring the importation of cheap third-world labor are the people who hope to exploit that labor, and are Democrats. (You know, the defenders of the working man?) The people opposing the continuing unobstructed flow are working people who see the real problems, and know who is paying for this &#8220;generous&#8221; attitude.</p>
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		By: Jim Sullivan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/21/arizona-continues-to-get-tough/#comment-156859</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Sullivan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 02:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;This issue has legs. Its defense consists of ridicule, legal actions, distortions, forgeries, and more ridicule. &quot;

It may have legs, but it lacks brains. The JFK Assassination, the Roswell Landing conspiracy, the Loch Ness monster, Anthropogenic Global Warming all have legs too. It doesn&#039;t make them credible.

I realize that amounts to ridicule but I find it hard to credit the birth certificate issue. Do I mind a law that requires presidential candidates to fork over their birth certificate? No. But enough already. Focus on the copius amounts of malfeasance and hypocracy; there&#039;s more than enough to go around.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This issue has legs. Its defense consists of ridicule, legal actions, distortions, forgeries, and more ridicule. &#8221;</p>
<p>It may have legs, but it lacks brains. The JFK Assassination, the Roswell Landing conspiracy, the Loch Ness monster, Anthropogenic Global Warming all have legs too. It doesn&#8217;t make them credible.</p>
<p>I realize that amounts to ridicule but I find it hard to credit the birth certificate issue. Do I mind a law that requires presidential candidates to fork over their birth certificate? No. But enough already. Focus on the copius amounts of malfeasance and hypocracy; there&#8217;s more than enough to go around.</p>
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		By: Curtis		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/21/arizona-continues-to-get-tough/#comment-156853</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 01:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Has anyone read Don Fredrick&#039;s &quot;The Obama Timeline?&quot; How about the recent Lt. Col. who refuses to serve until the issue is addressed? Or consider Jack Cashill at the American Thinker? 

This issue has legs. Its defense consists of ridicule, legal actions, distortions, forgeries, and more ridicule. 

What is needed is an Emile Zola, J&#039;Accuse!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone read Don Fredrick&#8217;s &#8220;The Obama Timeline?&#8221; How about the recent Lt. Col. who refuses to serve until the issue is addressed? Or consider Jack Cashill at the American Thinker? </p>
<p>This issue has legs. Its defense consists of ridicule, legal actions, distortions, forgeries, and more ridicule. </p>
<p>What is needed is an Emile Zola, J&#8217;Accuse!</p>
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		By: Curtis		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/21/arizona-continues-to-get-tough/#comment-156852</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Curtis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 01:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t believe the birth cert has been accounted for, not in a fact or legal sense. In an exhaustion sense, yes, in that, unfortunately people seem without out the will to dispute it. Forgeries, exceptions that Hawaiin law makes, timeline, lack of proof: the preponderance of evidence does not indicate the matter is settled at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe the birth cert has been accounted for, not in a fact or legal sense. In an exhaustion sense, yes, in that, unfortunately people seem without out the will to dispute it. Forgeries, exceptions that Hawaiin law makes, timeline, lack of proof: the preponderance of evidence does not indicate the matter is settled at all.</p>
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		By: Tatyana		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/21/arizona-continues-to-get-tough/#comment-156848</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatyana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s more, my friend from AZ informs me that the &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100416/ap_on_re_us/us_xgr_concealed_weapons_arizona&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;state will now allow concealed carry w/o a permit&lt;/a&gt;! 
Maybe I should consider looking for a job there...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s more, my friend from AZ informs me that the <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100416/ap_on_re_us/us_xgr_concealed_weapons_arizona" rel="nofollow">state will now allow concealed carry w/o a permit</a>!<br />
Maybe I should consider looking for a job there&#8230;</p>
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