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		By: Don Rodrigo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/21/archie-bunker-at-the-tea-party/#comment-157137</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Rodrigo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I’ve read somewhere - someone else have the source? - that O’Connor’s great characterization was based on Archie being an Irish Catholic, but Lear and the rest made Archie Protestant.&lt;/i&gt;

Archie&#039;s demographic construct was pure fantasy. There was nothing Anglo-WASP about him, and yet that is what Lear figured he had to make him -- sort of. The only other American &quot;type&quot; who would fit the Archie mold and not be an ethnic Catholic would be Scotch-Irish. While NYC was a big enough place to contain some such people, it was an absurdity, since Archie was intended to be typical working class New Yorker.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’ve read somewhere &#8211; someone else have the source? &#8211; that O’Connor’s great characterization was based on Archie being an Irish Catholic, but Lear and the rest made Archie Protestant.</i></p>
<p>Archie&#8217;s demographic construct was pure fantasy. There was nothing Anglo-WASP about him, and yet that is what Lear figured he had to make him &#8212; sort of. The only other American &#8220;type&#8221; who would fit the Archie mold and not be an ethnic Catholic would be Scotch-Irish. While NYC was a big enough place to contain some such people, it was an absurdity, since Archie was intended to be typical working class New Yorker.</p>
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		By: turfmann		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/21/archie-bunker-at-the-tea-party/#comment-156957</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[turfmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 23:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The dreariness of the sitcoms that strcpy refers to is the endemic malaise that gripped the nation in the post-Watergate and Carter era.  It was not at all a good time in America, and yes, the coming of Reagan was like a bright dawn after an especially stormy night.

Which begs the question, what represents the enveloping malaise that we are now experiencing?  Where in the media can we find examples of Obama&#039;s gathering influence?

Perhaps it is the cheerfulness of the tea party rallies, much to the consternation of the political and media elite.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dreariness of the sitcoms that strcpy refers to is the endemic malaise that gripped the nation in the post-Watergate and Carter era.  It was not at all a good time in America, and yes, the coming of Reagan was like a bright dawn after an especially stormy night.</p>
<p>Which begs the question, what represents the enveloping malaise that we are now experiencing?  Where in the media can we find examples of Obama&#8217;s gathering influence?</p>
<p>Perhaps it is the cheerfulness of the tea party rallies, much to the consternation of the political and media elite.</p>
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		By: J.L.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.L.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hagiobuktonoktonos Says:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Don’t forget Jefferson, the white-hating black man who mirrors Archie in every personal aspect. Rev. Wright writ small (no pun intended).&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Except, you forget... George Jefferson was portrayed as a black &lt;i&gt; Republican &lt;/i&gt;.

Yeah... the &#039;70s were a depressing time. 

Some have nostalgia for that era, but I just keep remembering it was the decade the left made us disgracefully abandon South Vietnam and Cambodia to the Communists... and then gave the Communists about five more years of running rampant before Reagan finally saved the day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hagiobuktonoktonos Says:<br />
<i>&#8220;Don’t forget Jefferson, the white-hating black man who mirrors Archie in every personal aspect. Rev. Wright writ small (no pun intended).&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Except, you forget&#8230; George Jefferson was portrayed as a black <i> Republican </i>.</p>
<p>Yeah&#8230; the &#8217;70s were a depressing time. </p>
<p>Some have nostalgia for that era, but I just keep remembering it was the decade the left made us disgracefully abandon South Vietnam and Cambodia to the Communists&#8230; and then gave the Communists about five more years of running rampant before Reagan finally saved the day.</p>
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		By: Hagiobuktonoktonos		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/21/archie-bunker-at-the-tea-party/#comment-156924</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hagiobuktonoktonos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t forget Jefferson, the white-hating black man who mirrors Archie in every personal aspect. Rev. Wright writ small (no pun intended).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget Jefferson, the white-hating black man who mirrors Archie in every personal aspect. Rev. Wright writ small (no pun intended).</p>
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		By: JKB		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/21/archie-bunker-at-the-tea-party/#comment-156902</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JKB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AITF was suppose to be Liberal indoctrination?  Well, I guess it worked at the time but now their are two shows a night to reveal the stupidity of Meathead.  My aunt recently started watching the reruns so I&#039;ve seen a few visiting and was struck by how Archie, while brash and bigoted, is always the one who fixes things and the hero.  Even if it means he has to come around and apologize to Edith.

strcpy, yes, the &#039;70s were a depressing time.  Bad hair, bad music, bad clothes, bad movies, bad economics, bad presidents, bad politics and bad hygiene.  At least from the perspective of someone who experienced it from 3rd grade to graduation.  Really, Star Wars was such a major change, and relief, from the swill of movies of that decade.  Ronald Reagan was such a breath of fresh air bringing and delivering both hope and change.   

On the other hand, the experience gives perspective that eventually these negative nabobs will be replace and good times will return.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AITF was suppose to be Liberal indoctrination?  Well, I guess it worked at the time but now their are two shows a night to reveal the stupidity of Meathead.  My aunt recently started watching the reruns so I&#8217;ve seen a few visiting and was struck by how Archie, while brash and bigoted, is always the one who fixes things and the hero.  Even if it means he has to come around and apologize to Edith.</p>
<p>strcpy, yes, the &#8217;70s were a depressing time.  Bad hair, bad music, bad clothes, bad movies, bad economics, bad presidents, bad politics and bad hygiene.  At least from the perspective of someone who experienced it from 3rd grade to graduation.  Really, Star Wars was such a major change, and relief, from the swill of movies of that decade.  Ronald Reagan was such a breath of fresh air bringing and delivering both hope and change.   </p>
<p>On the other hand, the experience gives perspective that eventually these negative nabobs will be replace and good times will return.</p>
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		By: mechdoc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mechdoc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I said almost at the time the show was airing originally, that except for the usual exaggeration to make the character funnier, Archie Bunker and I agreed on most things political. It was amusing that the liberals thought they were making Archie out to be a bumbler and total airhead, apparently thinking they were showing up conservatives in general, all the time they were showing liberals, through Meathead, to have irresponsible, unworkable ideals.

How can anyone have a _right_ to something that _must_ be provided by someone else? Health care may be an entitlement stemming from enacted laws, but it&#039;s hardly a right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said almost at the time the show was airing originally, that except for the usual exaggeration to make the character funnier, Archie Bunker and I agreed on most things political. It was amusing that the liberals thought they were making Archie out to be a bumbler and total airhead, apparently thinking they were showing up conservatives in general, all the time they were showing liberals, through Meathead, to have irresponsible, unworkable ideals.</p>
<p>How can anyone have a _right_ to something that _must_ be provided by someone else? Health care may be an entitlement stemming from enacted laws, but it&#8217;s hardly a right.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Archie had real life experience. Meathead had pie in the sky intellectual theories. I think we can safely conclude that the Meathead&#039;s side gained the upper hand to put us in the dire condition we&#039;re in today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archie had real life experience. Meathead had pie in the sky intellectual theories. I think we can safely conclude that the Meathead&#8217;s side gained the upper hand to put us in the dire condition we&#8217;re in today.</p>
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		By: Alex Bensky		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Bensky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was vaccinated against the worst of liberal pieties because by the time I got out of high school I had figured out that the Viet Cong were not an Asian version of the Americans for Democratic Action. Looking back I can see some change in my thinking at about the time the show was on. One night after it I realized that Meathead was living in Archie&#039;s house (I would guess without paying rent), shtupping his daughter, eating the food off his table, and all he could do was tell Archie how stupid and backward he was.. I realized that if it weren&#039;t for Gloria Archie would have, and should have, told him if he couldn&#039;t at least be properly grateful he was welcome to live elsewhere.

Given the age of the character, you could guess he&#039;d been in the service during World War II and probably in something like the infantry. I&#039;d also bet that it never would have occurred to Meathead to cut him a little slack on that account.

Given who produced the show, it was one of the many times I figured out that most liberals love the people in the abstract; it&#039;s just actual people for whom they have disdain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was vaccinated against the worst of liberal pieties because by the time I got out of high school I had figured out that the Viet Cong were not an Asian version of the Americans for Democratic Action. Looking back I can see some change in my thinking at about the time the show was on. One night after it I realized that Meathead was living in Archie&#8217;s house (I would guess without paying rent), shtupping his daughter, eating the food off his table, and all he could do was tell Archie how stupid and backward he was.. I realized that if it weren&#8217;t for Gloria Archie would have, and should have, told him if he couldn&#8217;t at least be properly grateful he was welcome to live elsewhere.</p>
<p>Given the age of the character, you could guess he&#8217;d been in the service during World War II and probably in something like the infantry. I&#8217;d also bet that it never would have occurred to Meathead to cut him a little slack on that account.</p>
<p>Given who produced the show, it was one of the many times I figured out that most liberals love the people in the abstract; it&#8217;s just actual people for whom they have disdain.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;As kids we were only expected to name the planets in order of their distance from the sun.&lt;/i&gt;

Even that has become more complicated, with the discovery of objects like Chiron, Sedna, Quaoar, Eris, etc.  Now some say that Pluto really shouldn&#039;t be considered a planet at all!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As kids we were only expected to name the planets in order of their distance from the sun.</i></p>
<p>Even that has become more complicated, with the discovery of objects like Chiron, Sedna, Quaoar, Eris, etc.  Now some say that Pluto really shouldn&#8217;t be considered a planet at all!</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[expat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 08:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[betsybounds,

I&#039;m glad you liked my use of How Green Was My Valley, but Wretchard deserves credit for bringing it up in connection with how we remember. I&#039;m not that creative. 

AITF is part of a time when things were a little simpler, when you could be liberal or progressive without hating Archie, even if you thought he was dumb or uncouth. It was a time when the young still believed that liberal changes would make things better and when our shared memories of Glenn Miller (in my case they came from watching old movies) could be enjoyed without guilt. It was a time when it was OK to be silly, even as we protested Viet Nam and racism. It was a time when the negative effects of achieving all our demands were still partly hidden.

And today it seems that very many want to substitute masochism for joy. Too many don&#039;t even  want to allow children a time to enjoy being kids, but instead try to saddle them with the job of saving the planet. As kids we were only expected to name the planets in order of their distance from the sun. We grew up catching lightening bugs on summer evenings as the  Archie Bunkers we knew sat on the porch watching over us. Archie didn&#039;t warn us that they might become extinct. He let us be kids, but he fully expected us to grow up. It took some of us a very long time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>betsybounds,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you liked my use of How Green Was My Valley, but Wretchard deserves credit for bringing it up in connection with how we remember. I&#8217;m not that creative. </p>
<p>AITF is part of a time when things were a little simpler, when you could be liberal or progressive without hating Archie, even if you thought he was dumb or uncouth. It was a time when the young still believed that liberal changes would make things better and when our shared memories of Glenn Miller (in my case they came from watching old movies) could be enjoyed without guilt. It was a time when it was OK to be silly, even as we protested Viet Nam and racism. It was a time when the negative effects of achieving all our demands were still partly hidden.</p>
<p>And today it seems that very many want to substitute masochism for joy. Too many don&#8217;t even  want to allow children a time to enjoy being kids, but instead try to saddle them with the job of saving the planet. As kids we were only expected to name the planets in order of their distance from the sun. We grew up catching lightening bugs on summer evenings as the  Archie Bunkers we knew sat on the porch watching over us. Archie didn&#8217;t warn us that they might become extinct. He let us be kids, but he fully expected us to grow up. It took some of us a very long time.</p>
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