Interesting eyewitness accounts at Russian news outlet, RIA Novosti. Points: 1) No fog, 2) No multiple passes at the airport, 3) Strange “slapping” sound coming from plane before crash.

Putin thinks nothing of murdering his political opposition and, in fact, Russia was behind last week’s bloody coup in Kyrgyzstan.

Oh, and anti Stalin stuff– shouldn’t that be about as controversial as anti-Hitler? Not as flashy, but much higher body count, and had that whole psychotic Xanatos thing going on.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1265482/Leck-Kaczynski-Russia-engineered-plane-crash-claims-Polish-MP.html

The Russian government prevented the Polish president’s plane from landing four times to divert him from a ceremony to mark the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre, according to an MP.

that is they may have thought that the air port was preventing them from landing so that they could not attend the Katyn memorial.

‘One version of events says that the plane approached the airport four times, because every time the Russians refused it permission to land – they wanted to send the plane with the president to an airport in Moscow or Minsk,’ Mr Gorski claimed in an interview published in the newspaper Nasz Dziennik.

‘They came up with some dubious reasons: that there was fog over the airport, and that the navigation system didn’t work as it was under renovation, and that airport had a short landing strip.’

so now the impression we get is a bit different. that they were throwing excuses to see which one stuck.

[there was a journalists plane to, and such a thing would have created a situation where 200 journalists arrived at the memorial, and the polish president would have been a no show]

Because it was a civilian flight, they did not have the authority to order them to another airport, he said.

ah… so what they are saying is that if you want to know whats going on at a military base in Russia, forget using a military plane. just fly in on a civilian plane and the military is completely helpless as to who lands on their base.

anyone think that is valid?

seems that prior history has affected everyone in weird ways. after all, if it was not for Russians behavior over Katyn, which is something they did, and did voluntarily… (and completely beats the crap they claim against the US, and its not even a lone incident, its one of thousands to millions)

so the leaderships ability to judge the motives of the officers under GRU control at a russian military airstrip, was affected. the fact that russia has always played games, also affected judgments.

if they were coming into Chicago ohare to mark the date of some negative in american history, they would not be trying to figure out if the control tower was telling the truth or not.

THAT’S the problem when your landing in a country whose last 100 years of action was based on mind games, lies, and manipulations. they could be completely honest, but like the boy who cries wolf, who can tell?

their behavior has removed a critical part of common transaction. that their behavior world wide and especially to their near neighbors has made a situation where trusting them is the LAST thing you want to do, given that trust is what they depend on in all their games!

there is no reason to answer sergey, as from the peoples point of view, it doesnt matter.

like in my cousin vinney, the quote applies. when the tiny deer puts its head down to take a drink, and BLAM a hunter blows off its head, do you really think that the deer cares what clothes your wearing?

well, to the people assasinated, and the whole thing, does it really matter who was hired, or who decided to do that kind of thing? not at all. and the history of the country frmo Lenin telling Dzerzhinsky to open up the prisons, has been one of the top being nothing but different factions of Russian thugs.

nazi thugs and mafia thugs only exist bcause kgb/fsb/gru thugs are not completely in control enough to make them disappear. but if they were, there would still be kgb/fsb/gru thugs.

the point being, is that whether strong and the only thugs around, or weaker and there is a cadre, the one thing you can be sure about, is that there, thugs are in control

which makes the russian people in the list a red herring.

from another source:
President Kaczynski admitted, after suffering a scare on a Tupolev 154 Soviet-designed plane in 2008, “Any flight brings with it a certain risk, but a very serious risk attaches to the responsibilities of a president, because it is necessary to fly constantly.” And so, in December of 2009, Kaczynski had Russia’s Aviakor aviation maintenance company fully overhaul the plane, deeming the aircraft “airworthy.”

so there was previous scares…
the event isnt just a one off.

Seventy years ago, after the Soviets denied involvement for the Katyn bloodbath and blamed the Nazis for the slaughter, then-Prime Minister Wladyslaw Sikorski “called for an independent investigation” into the massacre. Four months later, Sikorski and sixteen others suffered an untimely end, perishing in a plane crash in Gibraltar. Another unfortunate coincidence.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2010/04/polish_air_disaster

the rest of the article is mostly trying to blame factions in Moscow. but again, their biggest problem is not whats going on, but the fact that their own actions poison everything, even if they are not doing that.

and that their best solution of equally spreading the crap all over, to enemies and making everyone seem the same, just makes it crappy for everyone. including them. as the people they smear eventually become what they are smeared with just to have the fairness of payment for services received, rather than payment for things never done.

“An unidentified person shot Mr Chuvashov in the entrance to an apartment block and then fled,”

problem is that that method is as signature as a man in a trunk with no shoes.

that is, they are attacked at their door, or near the home, and they get hit in the head and chest. after you read a few dozen, you start to realzie taht they are using tehs same method, and its being used against one side.

Mrs Politkovskaya was murdered the same way, in the doorway.

The murder fired point-blank three times: two times deadly on her heart and the third time on her shoulder. The fourth shot, made at head of the already dead woman, was a control one.

one to the body to incapacitate, one to the head to finish it…

Yevgeny Panteleimonov was also murdered in his doorway. (the perpitrators: head of the FD-Kredit Bank, Dmitry Rybolovlev, and others),

[the whole thing leads to some bizarro stuff as to CIA compromised resorts international… James Crosby, founded Intertel, an internationally-known security company (which listed among its clients billionaire recluse Howard Hughes, the Shah of Iran and Nicaraguan dictator Anastasio Somoza). heck there were even ties to the mob, and politicos.

wierd weird weierder

Natalya Estemirova Four men forced Estemirova, 50, into a white Lada sedan in Grozny, the capital of Chechnya, as she was leaving her apartment for work, Reuters reported. Witnesses said the journalist shouted that she was being kidnapped as the car sped from the scene, according to press reports. Later the same day, her body was found in the neighboring region of Ingushetia, according to international news reports. She was shot in the head and the chest; no belongings were reported missing.

Anastasiya Baburova
An assailant wearing a ski mask shot Baburova, 25, a freelance correspondent for the independent newspaper Novaya Gazeta, at around 3 p.m. on a downtown street within walking distance of the Kremlin.

The assailant shot Markelov in the back of the head with a pistol fitted with a silencer, the independent business daily Kommersant reported, citing sources in the Prosecutor General’s office. Baburova apparently tried to stop the killer, who walked past her after shooting Markelov; the man then shot her in the head, Kommersant reported, citing unnamed witnesses. Markelov, 34, died immediately; Baburova died several hours later in a Moscow hospital, where she had undergone surgery, the independent news Web site Lenta reported.
Telman (Abdulla) Alishayev

Two unidentified assassins killed Alishayev, host of the program “Peace to Your Home,” which was broadcast by TV-Chirkei in Makhachkala, the regional capital of the southern Russian republic of Dagestan. The assailants shot Alishayev as he waited at a traffic signal while driving home from a local mosque about 8 p.m., local press reports said. He sustained head and shoulder wounds and died in a hospital the next morning, the news agency Interfax reported.

Vladislav Listyev, Russian Public Television (OTR)
March 1, 1995, in Moscow, Russia // Rudnev, a freelance journalist who worked in Kaluga, a district outside of Moscow, was found on February 13 in the hallway of his apartment building with a serious skull injury.

Murder, Russian-Style: Political Assassination
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1851854,00.html

Russia, Disgraced
Lawlessness and impunity form the context for the latest contract-style murder of a human rights activist.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/17/AR2009071703378.html

Russia’s Killing Ways
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/13/AR2006121301909.html

you can dig and dig and find endless amounts of material covering the things done. and they have never stopped, since day one, to today.

their idea that it was foolish to have morals as that would put solutions out of reach, ended up never learning in their naivette, that the costs of such, were far greater and lasted far longer than other solutions.

how long will they suffer what they did to trotsky?

as long as they exist with anyone ruling having relationship to the past.