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		By: Bob from Virginia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob from Virginia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is an excellent essay at Rubin Report relevant to Ryan&#039;s observations; Why Intellectuals Hate Their countries.  
Obama and friends are trying to establish a dictatorship of the bureaucrat here as they have in Europe, guaranteeing their class in control without the messy problem of counter-revolution.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an excellent essay at Rubin Report relevant to Ryan&#8217;s observations; Why Intellectuals Hate Their countries.<br />
Obama and friends are trying to establish a dictatorship of the bureaucrat here as they have in Europe, guaranteeing their class in control without the messy problem of counter-revolution.</p>
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		By: IgotBupkis		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/05/ryans-ready-to-rumble/#comment-153961</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 10:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062; &lt;i&gt;To enact its transformative agenda, this leadership employs the Machiavellian saying that the end justifies the means.&lt;/i&gt;

Not to suggest ANY disagreement in the purpose behind this statement, I&#039;d just like to call attention to the inherent flaw in this hoary old adage.

The ends DO justify the means. ALWAYS.

But you &lt;b&gt;don&#039;t get to pick and choose among the ends&lt;/b&gt; as to which ones &lt;i&gt;exist&lt;/i&gt;. You have to consider them -- every single one of them -- as a part of the results of the thing being done. How you weight them does provide some leeway for argument, but they key thing you need to grasp is that essential fact of the ends&#039; existence. By considering it you show that you&#039;ve weighted it as a part of the results.

When testing a new drug, no, you don&#039;t get to ignore the fact that 1 in 100 may die as a result of it. &lt;b&gt;But neither do you get to ignore the flip-side, that 12 out of 100 &lt;i&gt;won&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; die as a result of it&lt;/b&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;This&lt;/i&gt; special sort of &quot;ends justify the means&quot; is a typical big fat FAIL for liberal reasoning processes: 

They look at people injured in Iraq, but ignore the people saved.

They look at those shot by guns, but ignore the people saved by simply waving one at a potential thug. 

They look at those harmed by a new drug, but ignore those healed.

A rational person (i.e., 99.9999% of whom are NOT Lefties) recognizes that there is always &lt;b&gt;a trade-off to be made&lt;/b&gt;:

As true Americans, we choose to let guilty men go free that innocents not suffer. 

We allow some to fail so that many, many more might succeed.

We allow some to have &quot;too much&quot; in order that we not allow any one individual to decide &quot;who has too much&quot;. To allow some to say things they ought not to say in order that we not allow any one individual to decide who gets to say anything.

A &lt;i&gt;trade-off&lt;/i&gt;. 

&lt;b&gt;No choices are made in a vacuum.&lt;/b&gt;

The ends DO justify the means, you just have to be aware of &lt;i&gt;every single one of them&lt;/i&gt;, and be able to justify the total result, not just the ones you&#039;ve decided are of interest to your purposes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; <i>To enact its transformative agenda, this leadership employs the Machiavellian saying that the end justifies the means.</i></p>
<p>Not to suggest ANY disagreement in the purpose behind this statement, I&#8217;d just like to call attention to the inherent flaw in this hoary old adage.</p>
<p>The ends DO justify the means. ALWAYS.</p>
<p>But you <b>don&#8217;t get to pick and choose among the ends</b> as to which ones <i>exist</i>. You have to consider them &#8212; every single one of them &#8212; as a part of the results of the thing being done. How you weight them does provide some leeway for argument, but they key thing you need to grasp is that essential fact of the ends&#8217; existence. By considering it you show that you&#8217;ve weighted it as a part of the results.</p>
<p>When testing a new drug, no, you don&#8217;t get to ignore the fact that 1 in 100 may die as a result of it. <b>But neither do you get to ignore the flip-side, that 12 out of 100 <i>won&#8217;t</i> die as a result of it</b>.</p>
<p><i>This</i> special sort of &#8220;ends justify the means&#8221; is a typical big fat FAIL for liberal reasoning processes: </p>
<p>They look at people injured in Iraq, but ignore the people saved.</p>
<p>They look at those shot by guns, but ignore the people saved by simply waving one at a potential thug. </p>
<p>They look at those harmed by a new drug, but ignore those healed.</p>
<p>A rational person (i.e., 99.9999% of whom are NOT Lefties) recognizes that there is always <b>a trade-off to be made</b>:</p>
<p>As true Americans, we choose to let guilty men go free that innocents not suffer. </p>
<p>We allow some to fail so that many, many more might succeed.</p>
<p>We allow some to have &#8220;too much&#8221; in order that we not allow any one individual to decide &#8220;who has too much&#8221;. To allow some to say things they ought not to say in order that we not allow any one individual to decide who gets to say anything.</p>
<p>A <i>trade-off</i>. </p>
<p><b>No choices are made in a vacuum.</b></p>
<p>The ends DO justify the means, you just have to be aware of <i>every single one of them</i>, and be able to justify the total result, not just the ones you&#8217;ve decided are of interest to your purposes.</p>
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		By: camojack		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/05/ryans-ready-to-rumble/#comment-153948</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 07:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good stuff! :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff! 🙂</p>
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		By: gs		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/05/ryans-ready-to-rumble/#comment-153944</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 05:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Worthwhile speech.  This is how Republicans should talk: pointing out the Left&#039;s deficiencies &lt;i&gt;and offering constructive alternatives grounded in the country&#039;s Founding principles&lt;/i&gt;.  Thanks for the link.  Bookmarked.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worthwhile speech.  This is how Republicans should talk: pointing out the Left&#8217;s deficiencies <i>and offering constructive alternatives grounded in the country&#8217;s Founding principles</i>.  Thanks for the link.  Bookmarked.</p>
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		By: Bob From Virginia		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/05/ryans-ready-to-rumble/#comment-153916</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 01:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ryan sounds like he would be a good president of some country where only adults vote and sexiness is not considered the main qualification for high office.

The US is going to get what it deserves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan sounds like he would be a good president of some country where only adults vote and sexiness is not considered the main qualification for high office.</p>
<p>The US is going to get what it deserves.</p>
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		By: anna		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul Ryan for prez in 2012...

just looked at the roadmap and Crikey is that ever long.  sadly my full-time occupation prevents me from reading the really important stuff.  thank goodness for blogs.

for the record i am only in my back half of the twenties (some commenter on here suggested I run for president which is at least 8 years before i am even eligible) and i spend every free waking hour reading blogs trying to unlearn all the crap i learned in gawd-awful public school (screwl).  

that is why we need you bloggers to keep blogging!! read the stuff we can&#039;t read cuz we don&#039;t have time!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Ryan for prez in 2012&#8230;</p>
<p>just looked at the roadmap and Crikey is that ever long.  sadly my full-time occupation prevents me from reading the really important stuff.  thank goodness for blogs.</p>
<p>for the record i am only in my back half of the twenties (some commenter on here suggested I run for president which is at least 8 years before i am even eligible) and i spend every free waking hour reading blogs trying to unlearn all the crap i learned in gawd-awful public school (screwl).  </p>
<p>that is why we need you bloggers to keep blogging!! read the stuff we can&#8217;t read cuz we don&#8217;t have time!!!</p>
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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/05/ryans-ready-to-rumble/#comment-153876</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J. formerly Jimmy J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well done,  Congressman Ryan. I have checked out his Roadmap and it makes sense to me. That is why it has no chance of being used. Unless.......we can get a majority of fiscal conservatives elected to the House and Senate in November.  We have to vote and we have to urge all our friends and their friends to vote. And so on  down the line.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done,  Congressman Ryan. I have checked out his Roadmap and it makes sense to me. That is why it has no chance of being used. Unless&#8230;&#8230;.we can get a majority of fiscal conservatives elected to the House and Senate in November.  We have to vote and we have to urge all our friends and their friends to vote. And so on  down the line.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/05/ryans-ready-to-rumble/#comment-153869</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I too am among the many impressed with Rep. Ryan. 

For any who are unaware, check out his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.house.gov/ryan/roadmap/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A ROADMAP for AMERICA&#039;S FUTURE&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am among the many impressed with Rep. Ryan. </p>
<p>For any who are unaware, check out his <a href="http://www.house.gov/ryan/roadmap/" rel="nofollow">A ROADMAP for AMERICA&#8217;S FUTURE</a></p>
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