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		By: IgotBupkis		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/01/obama-to-press-forward-with-other-stuff-most-americans-hate/#comment-153567</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IgotBupkis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 21:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062; &lt;i&gt;taking on these big challenges that are critical in terms of America’s long-term economic health.”&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed. And making certain that that health is &lt;b&gt;totally ruined.&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Welcome to the Cloward-Piven Strategy&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Are we having fun yet?&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; <i>taking on these big challenges that are critical in terms of America’s long-term economic health.”</i></p>
<p>Indeed. And making certain that that health is <b>totally ruined.</b></p>
<p><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html" rel="nofollow">Welcome to the Cloward-Piven Strategy</a></p>
<p><b>Are we having fun yet?</b></p>
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		By: betsybounds		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/04/01/obama-to-press-forward-with-other-stuff-most-americans-hate/#comment-153347</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[betsybounds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[newton, I think it&#039;s interesting that people either don&#039;t realize or forget that if Gandhi had been in another place--say, the old Soviet Union or its like, instead of the British Empire--we would never have heard of him.  He would have been snuffed out the first time he opened his mouth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>newton, I think it&#8217;s interesting that people either don&#8217;t realize or forget that if Gandhi had been in another place&#8211;say, the old Soviet Union or its like, instead of the British Empire&#8211;we would never have heard of him.  He would have been snuffed out the first time he opened his mouth.</p>
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		By: newton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[newton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 07:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;betsybounds Says:

But we have allowed ourselves to be conditioned to the notion that violence is never an acceptable means. We have, in short, allowed ourselves to be persuaded that the American Revolution must be abrogated. We have been persuaded that we must never actually fight.

I don’t know whether this is right or not. I mean, no one favors violence. But, on the other hand, is there really nothing worth actually fighting for?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You have expressed the same thing I have noticed over a long time.  People think they can get everyone together, sing Kumbaya and solve this issue right then and there.  People must face the facts: that doesn&#039;t happen.  This is no fairy tale: our freedoms and even our lives are at stake here.

I would love to ask some of those people who voted for Obama to mention a few of the names of the Founding Fathers - yes, those who wrote the Declaration of Independence.  They will probably get one or two right.  One name is not included - Gandhi.  (Different time, different place.)  

Yet, people behave as if Gandhi&#039;s words are better and carry more weight than anything Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin said - and the latter two were Founding Fathers!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;betsybounds Says:</p>
<p>But we have allowed ourselves to be conditioned to the notion that violence is never an acceptable means. We have, in short, allowed ourselves to be persuaded that the American Revolution must be abrogated. We have been persuaded that we must never actually fight.</p>
<p>I don’t know whether this is right or not. I mean, no one favors violence. But, on the other hand, is there really nothing worth actually fighting for?</p></blockquote>
<p>You have expressed the same thing I have noticed over a long time.  People think they can get everyone together, sing Kumbaya and solve this issue right then and there.  People must face the facts: that doesn&#8217;t happen.  This is no fairy tale: our freedoms and even our lives are at stake here.</p>
<p>I would love to ask some of those people who voted for Obama to mention a few of the names of the Founding Fathers &#8211; yes, those who wrote the Declaration of Independence.  They will probably get one or two right.  One name is not included &#8211; Gandhi.  (Different time, different place.)  </p>
<p>Yet, people behave as if Gandhi&#8217;s words are better and carry more weight than anything Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin said &#8211; and the latter two were Founding Fathers!!</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 04:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good morning, Neo. Hope the excerpt isn&#039;t too long. I was stunned when I read it years ago, that the Inquisitor admitted that he and the priests were knowingly working for the Evil One, with the rationale that humans were too weak and vicious to shoulder the responsibility for having free souls, with all the risks and decisions that that entailed. 

We&#039;re in one chapter of a very long battle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning, Neo. Hope the excerpt isn&#8217;t too long. I was stunned when I read it years ago, that the Inquisitor admitted that he and the priests were knowingly working for the Evil One, with the rationale that humans were too weak and vicious to shoulder the responsibility for having free souls, with all the risks and decisions that that entailed. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re in one chapter of a very long battle.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 04:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Inquisitor reminds Christ of Satan&#039;s temptation of Him in the wilderness, when Satan said, &quot;Thou wouldst go into the world, and art going with empty hands, with some promise of freedom which men in their simplicity and their natural unruliness cannot even understand, which they fear and dread-- for nothing has ever been more insupportable for a man and a human society than freedom. 

&quot;But seest Thou these stones in this parched and barren wilderness? Turn them into bread, and mankind will run after Thee like a flock of sheep, grateful and obedient, though forever trembling, lest Thou withdraw Thy hand and deny them Thy bread.&quot; 

But Thou wouldst not deprive man of freedom and didst reject the offer, thinking, what is that freedom worth if obedience is bought with bread? Thou didst reply that man lives not by bread alone. 

But dost Thou know that for the sake of that earthly bread the spirit of the earth will rise up against Thee and will strive with Thee and overcome Thee, and all will follow him [Satan], crying, &quot;Who can compare with this beast? He has given us fire from heaven!&quot; 

Dost Thou know that the ages will pass, &lt;b&gt;and humanity will proclaim by the lips of their sages that there is no crime, and therefore no sin; there is only hunger?&lt;/b&gt; 

&quot;Feed men, and then ask of them virtue!&quot; that&#039;s what they&#039;ll write on the banner, which they will raise against Thee, and with which they will destroy Thy temple. Where Thy temple stood will rise a new building; the terrible tower of Babel will be built again, and though, like the one of old, it will not be finished, yet Thou mightest have prevented that new tower and have cut short the sufferings of men for a thousand years; for they will come back to us after a thousand years of agony with their tower. They will seek us again, hidden underground in the catacombs, for we shall be again persecuted and tortured. 

They will find us and cry to us, &quot;Feed us, for those who have promised us fire from heaven haven&#039;t given it!&quot; And then we shall finish building their tower, for he finishes the building who feeds them. &lt;b&gt;And we alone shall feed them in Thy name, declaring falsely that it is in Thy name.&lt;/b&gt; 

Oh, never, never can they feed themselves without us! No science will give them bread so long as they remain free. In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet, and say to us, &lt;b&gt;&quot;Make us your slaves, but feed us.&quot;&lt;/b&gt; 

They will understand themselves, at last, that freedom and bread enough for all are inconceivable together, for never, never will they be able to share between them! They will be convinced, too, that they can never be free, for they are weak, vicious, worthless, and rebellious. 

Thou didst promise them the bread of Heaven, but, I repeat again, can it compare with earthly bread in the eyes of the weak, ever sinful and ignoble race of man? And if for the sake of the bread of Heaven thousands shall follow Thee, what is to become of the millions and tens of thousands of millions of creatures who will not have the strength to forego the earthly bread for the sake of the heavenly? Or dost Thou care only for the tens of thousands of the great and strong, while the millions, numerous as the sands of the sea, who are weak but love Thee, must exist only for the sake of the great and strong? 

No, we care for the weak too. They are sinful and rebellious, but in the end they too will become obedient. They will marvel at us and look on us as gods, because we are ready to endure the freedom which they have found so dreadful and to rule over them-- so awful it will seem to them to be free. But we shall tell them that we are Thy servants and rule them in Thy name. &lt;b&gt;We shall deceive them again, for we will not let Thee come to us again.&lt;/b&gt; 

That deception will be our suffering, for we shall be forced to lie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Inquisitor reminds Christ of Satan&#8217;s temptation of Him in the wilderness, when Satan said, &#8220;Thou wouldst go into the world, and art going with empty hands, with some promise of freedom which men in their simplicity and their natural unruliness cannot even understand, which they fear and dread&#8211; for nothing has ever been more insupportable for a man and a human society than freedom. </p>
<p>&#8220;But seest Thou these stones in this parched and barren wilderness? Turn them into bread, and mankind will run after Thee like a flock of sheep, grateful and obedient, though forever trembling, lest Thou withdraw Thy hand and deny them Thy bread.&#8221; </p>
<p>But Thou wouldst not deprive man of freedom and didst reject the offer, thinking, what is that freedom worth if obedience is bought with bread? Thou didst reply that man lives not by bread alone. </p>
<p>But dost Thou know that for the sake of that earthly bread the spirit of the earth will rise up against Thee and will strive with Thee and overcome Thee, and all will follow him [Satan], crying, &#8220;Who can compare with this beast? He has given us fire from heaven!&#8221; </p>
<p>Dost Thou know that the ages will pass, <b>and humanity will proclaim by the lips of their sages that there is no crime, and therefore no sin; there is only hunger?</b> </p>
<p>&#8220;Feed men, and then ask of them virtue!&#8221; that&#8217;s what they&#8217;ll write on the banner, which they will raise against Thee, and with which they will destroy Thy temple. Where Thy temple stood will rise a new building; the terrible tower of Babel will be built again, and though, like the one of old, it will not be finished, yet Thou mightest have prevented that new tower and have cut short the sufferings of men for a thousand years; for they will come back to us after a thousand years of agony with their tower. They will seek us again, hidden underground in the catacombs, for we shall be again persecuted and tortured. </p>
<p>They will find us and cry to us, &#8220;Feed us, for those who have promised us fire from heaven haven&#8217;t given it!&#8221; And then we shall finish building their tower, for he finishes the building who feeds them. <b>And we alone shall feed them in Thy name, declaring falsely that it is in Thy name.</b> </p>
<p>Oh, never, never can they feed themselves without us! No science will give them bread so long as they remain free. In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet, and say to us, <b>&#8220;Make us your slaves, but feed us.&#8221;</b> </p>
<p>They will understand themselves, at last, that freedom and bread enough for all are inconceivable together, for never, never will they be able to share between them! They will be convinced, too, that they can never be free, for they are weak, vicious, worthless, and rebellious. </p>
<p>Thou didst promise them the bread of Heaven, but, I repeat again, can it compare with earthly bread in the eyes of the weak, ever sinful and ignoble race of man? And if for the sake of the bread of Heaven thousands shall follow Thee, what is to become of the millions and tens of thousands of millions of creatures who will not have the strength to forego the earthly bread for the sake of the heavenly? Or dost Thou care only for the tens of thousands of the great and strong, while the millions, numerous as the sands of the sea, who are weak but love Thee, must exist only for the sake of the great and strong? </p>
<p>No, we care for the weak too. They are sinful and rebellious, but in the end they too will become obedient. They will marvel at us and look on us as gods, because we are ready to endure the freedom which they have found so dreadful and to rule over them&#8211; so awful it will seem to them to be free. But we shall tell them that we are Thy servants and rule them in Thy name. <b>We shall deceive them again, for we will not let Thee come to us again.</b> </p>
<p>That deception will be our suffering, for we shall be forced to lie.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 04:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beverly: you are most definitely &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/?s=%22grand+inquisitor%22&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;not the only one&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beverly: you are most definitely <a href="http://neoneocon.com/?s=%22grand+inquisitor%22" rel="nofollow">not the only one</a>.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 04:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Am I the only one who has been thinking of Dostoevsky&#039;s &quot;The Grand Inquisitor&quot; lately?

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pol116/grand.htm

And men rejoiced that they were led like sheep, and dependent upon Miracle, Mystery, and Authority. . . .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who has been thinking of Dostoevsky&#8217;s &#8220;The Grand Inquisitor&#8221; lately?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pol116/grand.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pol116/grand.htm</a></p>
<p>And men rejoiced that they were led like sheep, and dependent upon Miracle, Mystery, and Authority. . . .</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 04:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I put Boss Tweed in the Phil Harebrained thread, but this cartoon is even more pertinent here:

http://anakbangsa69.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/boss_tweed_nast.jpg

&lt;i&gt;Plus ca change. . . plus c&#039;est la meme chose.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I put Boss Tweed in the Phil Harebrained thread, but this cartoon is even more pertinent here:</p>
<p><a href="http://anakbangsa69.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/boss_tweed_nast.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://anakbangsa69.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/boss_tweed_nast.jpg</a></p>
<p><i>Plus ca change. . . plus c&#8217;est la meme chose.</i></p>
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		By: betsybounds		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[betsybounds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 02:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The people, which is us, will resort to arms if necessary.  The questions are, will they (we) be isolated small bands?  Will they (we) be discredited by the MSM before we even begin to fight?  Will they (we) be captured and sent off to camps of some kind or another?  

In the meantime, we will have the grace of such as Lindsey Graham.  He tries to buy a bit of ground, but mainly he is working for himself, and himself alone.  I would not wish to be in a foxhole with the like of this man, or to require his assent for my freedom.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people, which is us, will resort to arms if necessary.  The questions are, will they (we) be isolated small bands?  Will they (we) be discredited by the MSM before we even begin to fight?  Will they (we) be captured and sent off to camps of some kind or another?  </p>
<p>In the meantime, we will have the grace of such as Lindsey Graham.  He tries to buy a bit of ground, but mainly he is working for himself, and himself alone.  I would not wish to be in a foxhole with the like of this man, or to require his assent for my freedom.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 02:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tim P:
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There&#8217;s no facepalm smiley here, is there?</p>
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