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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/03/29/suicide-bombers-on-moscow-subway/#comment-153036</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[True totalitarian regime is a very strange societal pathology to anybody who did not experienced it on oneself. Just authoritarian one, in contrast, is a very common thing: most of the world population lives under this condition. That is why I see the difference between these two as tremendous. In terms of personal freedom, USSR and present day Russia are worlds apart. My own children do not believe me when I retell them some episodes of my life in Sovet epoch: they thik that I simply invent them, so absurd it looks for them. This is a true measure of the scope of the difference.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True totalitarian regime is a very strange societal pathology to anybody who did not experienced it on oneself. Just authoritarian one, in contrast, is a very common thing: most of the world population lives under this condition. That is why I see the difference between these two as tremendous. In terms of personal freedom, USSR and present day Russia are worlds apart. My own children do not believe me when I retell them some episodes of my life in Sovet epoch: they thik that I simply invent them, so absurd it looks for them. This is a true measure of the scope of the difference.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/03/29/suicide-bombers-on-moscow-subway/#comment-153024</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting points Sergey.. 

what i find interesting is that i get both Sergey and Tatyana. i also understand their infighting... 

its really due to places in time, and where they ended up, and both are right to a degree, and both are wrong to a degree.. 

though it would be a painful gordian knot to unravel. 

tatyana is right in that you dont get the education sergey has and not be loyal to a degree. 

and sergey is right, that the situation has changed, though i dont agree to the degree he promotes. 

i too, unlike others are aware of the ideas of a certain russian who changed the face of the soviets with ideas of how to present a different face...  which makes it impossible to know or tell whether sergey is following that idea, or just being sergey a person from who that perspective is honest.  

Tatyana i think feels certain of one answer... while i feel certain that there is no way to know, or in this screwed up game, even to know tatyana&#039;s position as not being feined.  

this is not to be insulting, i really dont want to be. 

its just a clear example of the kind of mind games that such a system creates within the people who have been stuck at some stage with it. 

being from the outside of it with tour guides, i have seen this over and over in different forms... 

and why i said, that rather than be a genious, stalins ideas of injecting a new 1/3 of the population may have insured that leaders stay leaders, but it also insured that leaders stay leaders over a population that can get their crap together as they are too busy focusing on things that distract them. 


so forgive me if i didnt say that right...  its a hard concept to try to convey to people who have no idea of the kinds of symptoms that such living can cause.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting points Sergey.. </p>
<p>what i find interesting is that i get both Sergey and Tatyana. i also understand their infighting&#8230; </p>
<p>its really due to places in time, and where they ended up, and both are right to a degree, and both are wrong to a degree.. </p>
<p>though it would be a painful gordian knot to unravel. </p>
<p>tatyana is right in that you dont get the education sergey has and not be loyal to a degree. </p>
<p>and sergey is right, that the situation has changed, though i dont agree to the degree he promotes. </p>
<p>i too, unlike others are aware of the ideas of a certain russian who changed the face of the soviets with ideas of how to present a different face&#8230;  which makes it impossible to know or tell whether sergey is following that idea, or just being sergey a person from who that perspective is honest.  </p>
<p>Tatyana i think feels certain of one answer&#8230; while i feel certain that there is no way to know, or in this screwed up game, even to know tatyana&#8217;s position as not being feined.  </p>
<p>this is not to be insulting, i really dont want to be. </p>
<p>its just a clear example of the kind of mind games that such a system creates within the people who have been stuck at some stage with it. </p>
<p>being from the outside of it with tour guides, i have seen this over and over in different forms&#8230; </p>
<p>and why i said, that rather than be a genious, stalins ideas of injecting a new 1/3 of the population may have insured that leaders stay leaders, but it also insured that leaders stay leaders over a population that can get their crap together as they are too busy focusing on things that distract them. </p>
<p>so forgive me if i didnt say that right&#8230;  its a hard concept to try to convey to people who have no idea of the kinds of symptoms that such living can cause.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/03/29/suicide-bombers-on-moscow-subway/#comment-152876</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;not because they learned something was wrong with an ideology that grants them so much&quot;
They learned this perfectly. This ideology did not give them anything since 1980, so they jettisoned it. Nobody believes anymore in communism in Russia, even Putin. Crony capitalism gave them much more in terms of money, freedom to use them, and personal safety. This is the main problem of Putin&#039;s regime: they have no ideology, and can not invent it. Russian people are fed up with any type of explicit ideology and prefer to have none. This void is filled by primitive selfishness in most cases; young people simply try to make career, earn lots of money and enjoy life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;not because they learned something was wrong with an ideology that grants them so much&#8221;<br />
They learned this perfectly. This ideology did not give them anything since 1980, so they jettisoned it. Nobody believes anymore in communism in Russia, even Putin. Crony capitalism gave them much more in terms of money, freedom to use them, and personal safety. This is the main problem of Putin&#8217;s regime: they have no ideology, and can not invent it. Russian people are fed up with any type of explicit ideology and prefer to have none. This void is filled by primitive selfishness in most cases; young people simply try to make career, earn lots of money and enjoy life.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/03/29/suicide-bombers-on-moscow-subway/#comment-152857</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sergey and Tatyana: please refrain from more of the personal infighting, and keep it to the issues.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey and Tatyana: please refrain from more of the personal infighting, and keep it to the issues.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/03/29/suicide-bombers-on-moscow-subway/#comment-152852</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See my work on evolutionary genetics
http://www.chronos.msu.ru/RREPORTS/chudov_evoluciya.htm
and on sociology
http://www.chronos.msu.ru/RREPORTS/chudov_obobschenie.htm
My mathematical works are too technical to understand for laypersons, especially females, so I do not provide links on them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See my work on evolutionary genetics<br />
<a href="http://www.chronos.msu.ru/RREPORTS/chudov_evoluciya.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.chronos.msu.ru/RREPORTS/chudov_evoluciya.htm</a><br />
and on sociology<br />
<a href="http://www.chronos.msu.ru/RREPORTS/chudov_obobschenie.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.chronos.msu.ru/RREPORTS/chudov_obobschenie.htm</a><br />
My mathematical works are too technical to understand for laypersons, especially females, so I do not provide links on them.</p>
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		By: Tatyana		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/03/29/suicide-bombers-on-moscow-subway/#comment-152851</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatyana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I made a mistake. Sorry for that.

This guy is not a Colonel. Not even a Major.

Not higher than a Captain, and maybe even a Sr. Lieutenant. 
Too crude. 

Although with uncommonly good English - what, MGIMO? Interior FSB School?

How&#039;s your family of 15 children? And your work in genetics (or whatever that cover was - microbiology? Viruses?) How&#039;s your Christian Russian Orthodox calendar - what was the topic of the last sermon in your church? My, my, at this busy Easter week, with all the services and rites, this model Russian citizen found precious time, thorn from family and Spiritual Life, to lecture us on the glories of Russian government! 

And everyone is reading quietly. Maybe even consider him FOR REAL.

No, this is too precious. 

I&#039;ll have to send the link to my friends and relatives. There is not much to laugh at this days, this might make the cut.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made a mistake. Sorry for that.</p>
<p>This guy is not a Colonel. Not even a Major.</p>
<p>Not higher than a Captain, and maybe even a Sr. Lieutenant.<br />
Too crude. </p>
<p>Although with uncommonly good English &#8211; what, MGIMO? Interior FSB School?</p>
<p>How&#8217;s your family of 15 children? And your work in genetics (or whatever that cover was &#8211; microbiology? Viruses?) How&#8217;s your Christian Russian Orthodox calendar &#8211; what was the topic of the last sermon in your church? My, my, at this busy Easter week, with all the services and rites, this model Russian citizen found precious time, thorn from family and Spiritual Life, to lecture us on the glories of Russian government! </p>
<p>And everyone is reading quietly. Maybe even consider him FOR REAL.</p>
<p>No, this is too precious. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to send the link to my friends and relatives. There is not much to laugh at this days, this might make the cut.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/03/29/suicide-bombers-on-moscow-subway/#comment-152846</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;russia leaders are very much the same leaders as before&quot;
With some caveats, with this I agree. But they operate in starkingly different historical situation. What changed beyond recognition is the society itself. This includes not only vastly expanded middle class, but the mentality of ruling elites, too. These elites will never tolerate now mass repressions, and they are smart enough to feel danger and defend themselves from it. Real powers of any politician, and this includes president and premier-minister, are very restricted. The only moves that are now possible to them must be quite popular among masses, among urbanized and largely westernized middle class and among elites themselves. This reduces their ability to play loose with public opinion dramatically. I have no doubt that Putin, for example, would be happy to revert to many items of Stalinist ideology and practice; but I also have no doubt that almost nothing of this he could do without being removed from power or simply killed. And he, too, knows this. There is no loyal apparat of political violence to use against rivals or opponents, and balance of power is religiously maintained. The fact that such power struggle is not going on openly and looks more, by Churchill words, like &quot;a struggle of bulldogs under the carpet&quot;, does not makes it less efficient in maintaining status quo. And this status quo includes keeping all parties of the game safe enough and satisfied with their spoils and shares of common property.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;russia leaders are very much the same leaders as before&#8221;<br />
With some caveats, with this I agree. But they operate in starkingly different historical situation. What changed beyond recognition is the society itself. This includes not only vastly expanded middle class, but the mentality of ruling elites, too. These elites will never tolerate now mass repressions, and they are smart enough to feel danger and defend themselves from it. Real powers of any politician, and this includes president and premier-minister, are very restricted. The only moves that are now possible to them must be quite popular among masses, among urbanized and largely westernized middle class and among elites themselves. This reduces their ability to play loose with public opinion dramatically. I have no doubt that Putin, for example, would be happy to revert to many items of Stalinist ideology and practice; but I also have no doubt that almost nothing of this he could do without being removed from power or simply killed. And he, too, knows this. There is no loyal apparat of political violence to use against rivals or opponents, and balance of power is religiously maintained. The fact that such power struggle is not going on openly and looks more, by Churchill words, like &#8220;a struggle of bulldogs under the carpet&#8221;, does not makes it less efficient in maintaining status quo. And this status quo includes keeping all parties of the game safe enough and satisfied with their spoils and shares of common property.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/03/29/suicide-bombers-on-moscow-subway/#comment-152841</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One thing that is clear from the two positions of sergey and tatyana,  is that given such a living condition between people from the same place, the ablity of the people to be unified to change the state is nil. they fight each other and leave the leaders alone... 

so sergey side protects intrigue...  as being reasonable that it doesnt happen, despite history

and tatyanas side sees intrigue, even if there isnt... and so sees it as unreasonable to think otherwise given history. 

only history would suggest who had the wiser position regardless of veracity... 

in truth...  russia leaders are very much the same leaders as before...and that is something that sergey cant get around.  that a large number of the real movers and shakers who are not in the public eye, are still the same canny people who have only changed their behavior as it the cahnge suits their ends more, not because they learned something was wrong with an ideology that grants them so much. 

My opinion?  

i lean towards tatyana, given that there hs been little evidence of beneficial change in the polity, and much evidence in that they only changed tactics not ends.

this was why stalin replaced so many of each population with natives... in this way, he would be able to raise up race and divide the people, and in so doing secure his position over the rabble who cant see their hands in front of their faces.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that is clear from the two positions of sergey and tatyana,  is that given such a living condition between people from the same place, the ablity of the people to be unified to change the state is nil. they fight each other and leave the leaders alone&#8230; </p>
<p>so sergey side protects intrigue&#8230;  as being reasonable that it doesnt happen, despite history</p>
<p>and tatyanas side sees intrigue, even if there isnt&#8230; and so sees it as unreasonable to think otherwise given history. </p>
<p>only history would suggest who had the wiser position regardless of veracity&#8230; </p>
<p>in truth&#8230;  russia leaders are very much the same leaders as before&#8230;and that is something that sergey cant get around.  that a large number of the real movers and shakers who are not in the public eye, are still the same canny people who have only changed their behavior as it the cahnge suits their ends more, not because they learned something was wrong with an ideology that grants them so much. </p>
<p>My opinion?  </p>
<p>i lean towards tatyana, given that there hs been little evidence of beneficial change in the polity, and much evidence in that they only changed tactics not ends.</p>
<p>this was why stalin replaced so many of each population with natives&#8230; in this way, he would be able to raise up race and divide the people, and in so doing secure his position over the rabble who cant see their hands in front of their faces.</p>
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		By: Tatyana		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/03/29/suicide-bombers-on-moscow-subway/#comment-152834</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatyana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Right, there is or never was a pogrom in Russia. Armenians or Georgians, or Jews, or Chechens or millions others - they have nothing to fear in Russia.

It&#039;s just lovely, how this Putinoid reveals his nature; next he&#039;ll break into Russian anthem in extasy. Cover your ears, guys.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, there is or never was a pogrom in Russia. Armenians or Georgians, or Jews, or Chechens or millions others &#8211; they have nothing to fear in Russia.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just lovely, how this Putinoid reveals his nature; next he&#8217;ll break into Russian anthem in extasy. Cover your ears, guys.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/03/29/suicide-bombers-on-moscow-subway/#comment-152833</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Except this did not started, but ended: just one case was reported, with one person involved;  mass media condemned this unanimously, and Patriarch warned against any such attempts. The woman in the link provided by Tatyana did not give any verifiable sources, only expressed her &quot;fears&quot;, remembered from Soviet epoch, and she does not even live in Russia. Everybody remember such fears about &quot;backlash&quot; in USA after 9/11, which never materialized. They only created a comical tradition of Western politicians to visit nearby mosque hours after every Muslim atrocity with assurances of their loyality and tolerance. The same  repugnant comedy is repeated now in Russia.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except this did not started, but ended: just one case was reported, with one person involved;  mass media condemned this unanimously, and Patriarch warned against any such attempts. The woman in the link provided by Tatyana did not give any verifiable sources, only expressed her &#8220;fears&#8221;, remembered from Soviet epoch, and she does not even live in Russia. Everybody remember such fears about &#8220;backlash&#8221; in USA after 9/11, which never materialized. They only created a comical tradition of Western politicians to visit nearby mosque hours after every Muslim atrocity with assurances of their loyality and tolerance. The same  repugnant comedy is repeated now in Russia.</p>
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