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		By: foxmarks		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/03/21/dog-bites-man-stupak-caves-or-is-that-redundant/#comment-151143</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[foxmarks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ELC, I like the spirit of your frame. I suppose it will be the second revolution if we succeed. Until then, in the plainest terms, it is civil war.

Amused, it may not take the same river of blood this time around. I envision more violence to property than personal combat. The enemy has little spine and will back away from battle. We are the insurgents. We blend into the populace after exacting vengeance.

The big question in my speculation is how will the cops break? We live in a world of selective enforcement. There’s not enough real wealth to deploy troops to support cops. And the soldiers might not act as their commander in chief would hope.

We win by exploiting the flaws in the system. One tiny crack can collapse a massive dam. Economic reality will bring the structure down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ELC, I like the spirit of your frame. I suppose it will be the second revolution if we succeed. Until then, in the plainest terms, it is civil war.</p>
<p>Amused, it may not take the same river of blood this time around. I envision more violence to property than personal combat. The enemy has little spine and will back away from battle. We are the insurgents. We blend into the populace after exacting vengeance.</p>
<p>The big question in my speculation is how will the cops break? We live in a world of selective enforcement. There’s not enough real wealth to deploy troops to support cops. And the soldiers might not act as their commander in chief would hope.</p>
<p>We win by exploiting the flaws in the system. One tiny crack can collapse a massive dam. Economic reality will bring the structure down.</p>
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		By: Amused Observer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amused Observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 03:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for your kind encouragement Bob,
As the kids say,  I&#039;m down for whatever comes down the pike.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your kind encouragement Bob,<br />
As the kids say,  I&#8217;m down for whatever comes down the pike.</p>
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		By: Randazzo the Magnificent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randazzo the Magnificent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 03:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not only was he so inclined beforehand, he also got a few bucks to go with the flimsy executive order.

Dated 3/19/2010... from Stupak&#039;s House Site $726K for three airports in his district

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/speech/mi01_stupak/morenews/20100319faagrant.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only was he so inclined beforehand, he also got a few bucks to go with the flimsy executive order.</p>
<p>Dated 3/19/2010&#8230; from Stupak&#8217;s House Site $726K for three airports in his district</p>
<p><a href="http://www.house.gov/apps/list/speech/mi01_stupak/morenews/20100319faagrant.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.house.gov/apps/list/speech/mi01_stupak/morenews/20100319faagrant.html</a></p>
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		By: Mike Mc.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Mc.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 02:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo,

Here is your proof Stupak never intended to vote &#039;No&#039; all along.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URr68joWr1E&#038;feature=player_embedded

It&#039;s all in the video. You were right. He was just playing a game.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,</p>
<p>Here is your proof Stupak never intended to vote &#8216;No&#8217; all along.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URr68joWr1E&#038;feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URr68joWr1E&#038;feature=player_embedded</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s all in the video. You were right. He was just playing a game.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/03/21/dog-bites-man-stupak-caves-or-is-that-redundant/#comment-150998</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 02:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike Mc.:  I share some of your frustration and rage, especially at those who either were too lazy to do their research on Obama or who fell for his con.  

However, I don&#039;t think any sort of despair is the answer.  2010 is important, and things need to start reversing themselves, but 2012 is also important.  I refuse to be defeatist (except to defeat the forces of Obama, et al).  I was very encouraged by the elections in NJ and especially Massachusetts.  I believe America is waking up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Mc.:  I share some of your frustration and rage, especially at those who either were too lazy to do their research on Obama or who fell for his con.  </p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t think any sort of despair is the answer.  2010 is important, and things need to start reversing themselves, but 2012 is also important.  I refuse to be defeatist (except to defeat the forces of Obama, et al).  I was very encouraged by the elections in NJ and especially Massachusetts.  I believe America is waking up.</p>
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		By: Bob From Virginia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob From Virginia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 02:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amused Observer, I hope things turn your way.  Don&#039;t worry about Obamism.  He is orders of magnitude worse than Carter and McGovern put together and look how those two ended up.
Your recommendations are kid stuff for what&#039;s coming down the pike.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amused Observer, I hope things turn your way.  Don&#8217;t worry about Obamism.  He is orders of magnitude worse than Carter and McGovern put together and look how those two ended up.<br />
Your recommendations are kid stuff for what&#8217;s coming down the pike.</p>
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		By: Mike Mc.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Mc.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 02:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo,

I&#039;d say it to the universe in the vain hope that more people in America start figuring out what is going on.

I am tremendously disappointed in Americans right now. In my mind, as bad as Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Stupak and every single elected Dem is this great land of ours is....and that is bad! Worse yet are the 66m people who voted for him.

I&#039;m sorry but I mean that. All 66m of them are over the age of 18. They are all supposed to be smart enough and good enough to do the right thing. If they didn&#039;t know what Obama would do, they damn well should have. If they did know, well damn them too!

The single saddest thing I heard in this entire year long debate was Obama last Thursday telling a group of College students that they could stay on their parent&#039;s plan until they were 26. That was his biggest and most prolonged applause line. It was both thunderous and giddy.

A generation of grown ups has created generations of children who never will grow up, and see leaching off mommy and daddy at age 26 as a wonderful thing. They certainly do not make the leap to adulthood between age 26 and 27. They stay the same. They are with us now and they are in their 40s some of them.

And how does an 18-20 year old ever get there? They&#039;ve been trained like monkeys (sorry but true) since age 4 to be that way.

I think America has 7 months (the time between now and November) to turn it around. An impossible task. It means that millions and millions of those 66m will have to undergo a metanoia equivalent to a religious conversion. It means we have to work harder than the devil himself.

I have made a commitment to myself to donate time and a smidgen of $ to the local Congressional District races near me, and in my State (PA). I&#039;ve never done anything like that before Scott Brown, and now I have the bug. I hope there are millions of me out there. We all need to get ten people to change. A huge task.

After November, if there is no change, I am going Pontius Pilate and washing my hands of the whole thing and make separate arrangements for my future in a defeated and gone America.

I never, never thought I&#039;d live to see the end of the America I know and love. Now I fear we all will.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say it to the universe in the vain hope that more people in America start figuring out what is going on.</p>
<p>I am tremendously disappointed in Americans right now. In my mind, as bad as Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Stupak and every single elected Dem is this great land of ours is&#8230;.and that is bad! Worse yet are the 66m people who voted for him.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry but I mean that. All 66m of them are over the age of 18. They are all supposed to be smart enough and good enough to do the right thing. If they didn&#8217;t know what Obama would do, they damn well should have. If they did know, well damn them too!</p>
<p>The single saddest thing I heard in this entire year long debate was Obama last Thursday telling a group of College students that they could stay on their parent&#8217;s plan until they were 26. That was his biggest and most prolonged applause line. It was both thunderous and giddy.</p>
<p>A generation of grown ups has created generations of children who never will grow up, and see leaching off mommy and daddy at age 26 as a wonderful thing. They certainly do not make the leap to adulthood between age 26 and 27. They stay the same. They are with us now and they are in their 40s some of them.</p>
<p>And how does an 18-20 year old ever get there? They&#8217;ve been trained like monkeys (sorry but true) since age 4 to be that way.</p>
<p>I think America has 7 months (the time between now and November) to turn it around. An impossible task. It means that millions and millions of those 66m will have to undergo a metanoia equivalent to a religious conversion. It means we have to work harder than the devil himself.</p>
<p>I have made a commitment to myself to donate time and a smidgen of $ to the local Congressional District races near me, and in my State (PA). I&#8217;ve never done anything like that before Scott Brown, and now I have the bug. I hope there are millions of me out there. We all need to get ten people to change. A huge task.</p>
<p>After November, if there is no change, I am going Pontius Pilate and washing my hands of the whole thing and make separate arrangements for my future in a defeated and gone America.</p>
<p>I never, never thought I&#8217;d live to see the end of the America I know and love. Now I fear we all will.</p>
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		By: Baklava		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baklava]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stupak got $700,000 in funds for airports in his district.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupak got $700,000 in funds for airports in his district.</p>
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		By: Baklava		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baklava]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yup.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike Mc.: but who would you say &quot;I told you so&quot; to?  I think pretty much everybody here agreed with you, at least in the last week or so.  

The only real question was whether Pelosi would need his vote to pass.  If not, he might be allowed to vote &quot;no&quot; for cover.  Apparently they did need him (and his lackeys) to reach the magic number.  And all they needed to do was to be creative enough to provide cover.  As I wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2010/03/20/what-are-stupak-and-pelosi-cooking-up/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, all Stupak ever wanted was to give the &lt;i&gt;appearance&lt;/i&gt; of attempting to block federal funding for abortion.  He never cared whether it was actually blocked.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Mc.: but who would you say &#8220;I told you so&#8221; to?  I think pretty much everybody here agreed with you, at least in the last week or so.  </p>
<p>The only real question was whether Pelosi would need his vote to pass.  If not, he might be allowed to vote &#8220;no&#8221; for cover.  Apparently they did need him (and his lackeys) to reach the magic number.  And all they needed to do was to be creative enough to provide cover.  As I wrote <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2010/03/20/what-are-stupak-and-pelosi-cooking-up/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, all Stupak ever wanted was to give the <i>appearance</i> of attempting to block federal funding for abortion.  He never cared whether it was actually blocked.</p>
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