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Yup.

And if this “deem-and-pass” works and is not struck down by some court, we’ll have 12 million illegals “deemed” citizens and we’ll have CO2 “deemed” a hazardous gas and we’ll have so-called endangered species “deemed” more important than nasty polluting humans. We’ll be back to the 17th century in no time….

They have so divided the country with their leftist policies, their blind grab for power, their arrogance, and their deciet.

Part of our country is blindly following these people as they implement policies that the majority of the country adamantly opposes.

Another part is in such a state of despair that they are contemplating the need for very drastic action. Action more drastic than I would have imagined.

And some, like me, are honestly praying that we’re not so bad off as that. God help us if we really are.

The rules of self-defense against thugs normally say: don’t show your weapon until you’re ready to use it. Until it’s absolutely inevitable, all other possible measures failed. Don’t try to scare them by display (the cornered rat might prove more difficult to subdue), but once showed, use it.

Well said.

Once again, there have been lots of good comments on this thread. Too many to address individually. Tatyana, Sergey, J.L., betsybounds, and others have all made good points.

I hope Obamacare is defeated, but I’m not very hopeful that it will be. I have been saying for many months that when Congress passes 1000 page bills that they haven’t read, then we no longer have representative government. If they take it to the next level and “pass” a bill without even voting on it, then we will see the face of raw, naked tyranny. That cannot be allowed to stand under any circumstances.

Ultimately, when push comes to shove, the only rational way to deal with tyrants is to kill them.

I’ve been predicting civil war ever since Election Night 2008. But a military coup is preferable to civil war. I think most soldiers take their oath to the Constitution more seriously than most elected officials do. Count me among those who are hoping for an American Pinochet. There needs to be a national cleansing of leftists. They must be removed from any position of power and influence in society, and at this point I don’t care how it is done. If they have to be “disappeared” then so be it. It really is that serious. Either they are forcibly removed or else they will come after us. 20th Century history is crystal clear on that point.

Having said that, I do appreciate the fact that once a civil war or military coup begins, there is no way to tell how it will end. The country could fracture and be fought over by gangs and groups of warlords. We very well may end up with a Robespierre or a Napoleon.

“Interesting times”, indeed.

Let us pray that the second Revolution (or Civil War as the case may be) remains one fought out in legislatures and courts. Let us also pray that our side wins, because if it does not, the US is finished as a free and prosperous country.

A heartily agree.

You are not of “our company”. I am not gossiping I say it to your face.
You “helped disseminate” AG! – oh, my, you must be a dissident yourself. You must take us for complete idiots.
Every family in ex-SU has a relative who perished in Gulag. In the 80s everyone had an acquaintance who could supply them with samizdat ; also – KGB was known to “disseminate” (what a tell-tale word!) these books as a bait to fill their arrest quota.

Besides – I’m not a “Russian expatriot”. I’m an American citizen of Russian-Jewish origin. Just like there are other Americans here, or Chinese, Polish and Israeli origins. My only difference with them is that I didn’t choose to emigrate. I ran for my and my son’s life from your lovely state.

Thanks for that last nugget about racial inferiority of Russians. You must be really full of self-hate, if you address this to a Jew.
Well, luckily, I’m far away from your paws, pal.