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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/03/16/the-slaughter-solution-constitutionality-and-precedent/#comment-905044</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2015 03:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;You evidently do not comprehend the level of adoration that Americans invest in the concept of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

It is literally, an American dogma, and utterly religious, in connotation, even among secularists. For most significantly, not just among conservatives but among liberals as well…all hold to that view.

With the exception of the most rabid of leftists, every American pays homage to those fundamental American precepts. There is literally unanimity of agreement and consensus with those premises and precepts.

It is the very heart of our cultural foundation.

No one, would even think to disputing it and, all would literally fight to the death to defend it.&lt;/b&gt;

Being arrogant and self righteous when making wrong proclamations and predictions gets kind of boring, doesn&#039;t it.

These mythical &quot;liberals&quot; must be letting bakers have a conscience then or promoting freedom to fly your Confed battle flag.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>You evidently do not comprehend the level of adoration that Americans invest in the concept of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.</p>
<p>It is literally, an American dogma, and utterly religious, in connotation, even among secularists. For most significantly, not just among conservatives but among liberals as well…all hold to that view.</p>
<p>With the exception of the most rabid of leftists, every American pays homage to those fundamental American precepts. There is literally unanimity of agreement and consensus with those premises and precepts.</p>
<p>It is the very heart of our cultural foundation.</p>
<p>No one, would even think to disputing it and, all would literally fight to the death to defend it.</b></p>
<p>Being arrogant and self righteous when making wrong proclamations and predictions gets kind of boring, doesn&#8217;t it.</p>
<p>These mythical &#8220;liberals&#8221; must be letting bakers have a conscience then or promoting freedom to fly your Confed battle flag.</p>
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		By: Bobby		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the democrats attempt to pass a bill using the slaughter solution then any law could be changed depending on who controls congress, just because the democrats pass health care today doesn&#039;t mean the republicans could change it tomorrow, the president and the democrats are acting in a reckless manner just to pass this one piece of legislation, their folly will destroy the democratic party for years to come.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the democrats attempt to pass a bill using the slaughter solution then any law could be changed depending on who controls congress, just because the democrats pass health care today doesn&#8217;t mean the republicans could change it tomorrow, the president and the democrats are acting in a reckless manner just to pass this one piece of legislation, their folly will destroy the democratic party for years to come.</p>
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		By: jon baker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/03/16/the-slaughter-solution-constitutionality-and-precedent/#comment-150725</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jon baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 04:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Oblio!]]></description>
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		By: jon baker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/03/16/the-slaughter-solution-constitutionality-and-precedent/#comment-150723</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jon baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 04:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr,
Sorry you have felt alone.  I read a lot of your post, sometimes I just scan them.  

My understanding of your overall view is that America and the West in General have been weakend from inside by the rewriting and/or ignoring of History in our schools, feminism,  a gradual infusion of incremental socialism, multiculturalism, etc.  And I think you believe many in DC are communist and many people in America just refuse to believe it.

If that is your view I agree mostly with that.

You seem, from what I recall, to also think that the Russians have it in for us still.  I think elements maybe in the government yes-they are cozying up to the Iranians.  

You also seem to think efforts are afoot to establish some sort of Communist Western Collective- ie- the US and Europe absorbed under one collective roof- if the Rusians and Muslims and maybe the Chinese don&#039;t get us first--am I wrong?  If so, I think possibly you are right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr,<br />
Sorry you have felt alone.  I read a lot of your post, sometimes I just scan them.  </p>
<p>My understanding of your overall view is that America and the West in General have been weakend from inside by the rewriting and/or ignoring of History in our schools, feminism,  a gradual infusion of incremental socialism, multiculturalism, etc.  And I think you believe many in DC are communist and many people in America just refuse to believe it.</p>
<p>If that is your view I agree mostly with that.</p>
<p>You seem, from what I recall, to also think that the Russians have it in for us still.  I think elements maybe in the government yes-they are cozying up to the Iranians.  </p>
<p>You also seem to think efforts are afoot to establish some sort of Communist Western Collective- ie- the US and Europe absorbed under one collective roof- if the Rusians and Muslims and maybe the Chinese don&#8217;t get us first&#8211;am I wrong?  If so, I think possibly you are right.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/03/16/the-slaughter-solution-constitutionality-and-precedent/#comment-150636</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[thanks oblio.. 

the thing is that i get mroe than my fair share. .
and when one person is playing games, its hard to tell if the next person in the same thread is joking or dog piling on the rabbit. 

in general.. when they start their crap.. 
i stand almost alone
and when there is no response, you get a few of them joining in. 

so its rough. 

whats rougher is that i am so much on the side of freedom and am a huge source ofinformation...  

why do i keep having to go through trial by fire just because i have such a memory 

the truth is such a memory is a freaking curse. i am always drowning in information. its very hard to wade through it. 

lets just say that when someone is busy defending himself from a few comers, that isnt the time to walk up behind them and tap on their shoulder to make a joke.   



and to john. i apologize.. 

well, where were you when i was being pummeled during those times.. 

i seldom if ever saw you come to my aid and agree with me publicly... i tended to stand alone... 

betsy has said a lot more!!! (and i am very greatful for it - and a few others ahve too).

but if you agreed. if you were on my side.. 

then why did so many leae me out to dry and let me think that like william wallace there was no army behind me when it counted? 


===========================

i had hoped that people who the words didnt pertain to, would be smart enough to realize that i wasnt referring to them. 

for people who agree with me, many sure dont say a thing..   they instead wait till i am trying to prove a case with a huge post... 

after all, if i had 3 others that would stand up and confirm a sentence, then why would i have to post a page alone as my only empirical evidence? 



sorry john
and thank you for the insight oblio!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks oblio.. </p>
<p>the thing is that i get mroe than my fair share. .<br />
and when one person is playing games, its hard to tell if the next person in the same thread is joking or dog piling on the rabbit. </p>
<p>in general.. when they start their crap..<br />
i stand almost alone<br />
and when there is no response, you get a few of them joining in. </p>
<p>so its rough. </p>
<p>whats rougher is that i am so much on the side of freedom and am a huge source ofinformation&#8230;  </p>
<p>why do i keep having to go through trial by fire just because i have such a memory </p>
<p>the truth is such a memory is a freaking curse. i am always drowning in information. its very hard to wade through it. </p>
<p>lets just say that when someone is busy defending himself from a few comers, that isnt the time to walk up behind them and tap on their shoulder to make a joke.   </p>
<p>and to john. i apologize.. </p>
<p>well, where were you when i was being pummeled during those times.. </p>
<p>i seldom if ever saw you come to my aid and agree with me publicly&#8230; i tended to stand alone&#8230; </p>
<p>betsy has said a lot more!!! (and i am very greatful for it &#8211; and a few others ahve too).</p>
<p>but if you agreed. if you were on my side.. </p>
<p>then why did so many leae me out to dry and let me think that like william wallace there was no army behind me when it counted? </p>
<p>===========================</p>
<p>i had hoped that people who the words didnt pertain to, would be smart enough to realize that i wasnt referring to them. </p>
<p>for people who agree with me, many sure dont say a thing..   they instead wait till i am trying to prove a case with a huge post&#8230; </p>
<p>after all, if i had 3 others that would stand up and confirm a sentence, then why would i have to post a page alone as my only empirical evidence? </p>
<p>sorry john<br />
and thank you for the insight oblio!</p>
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		By: Oblio		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr, you are falling into the habit of taking and giving offense.  You have a lot of insights to share, based on your experience and your deep study.  So far very good.  But you shouldn&#039;t overgeneralize about old-stock Americans, and that is what you are doing.  Jon Baker is a member of America&#039;s Martial People, of which you will have seen little in, is it the Bronx?  There are more of them than you know, and God bless them for their patriotism and service.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr, you are falling into the habit of taking and giving offense.  You have a lot of insights to share, based on your experience and your deep study.  So far very good.  But you shouldn&#8217;t overgeneralize about old-stock Americans, and that is what you are doing.  Jon Baker is a member of America&#8217;s Martial People, of which you will have seen little in, is it the Bronx?  There are more of them than you know, and God bless them for their patriotism and service.</p>
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		By: jon baker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/03/16/the-slaughter-solution-constitutionality-and-precedent/#comment-150554</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jon baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 01:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr,
My problem with you is you are a condescending and arrogant.   I actually agree with a lot of the things you say, but you seem to revert to the whole, &quot;I am the only one that sees what is happening because I have studied so much history&quot;  - and then you repeatedly run down those who have been here for multiple generations.   Im sorry if the people you hang around with dont see what is happening.  You apparently live in a not so &quot;far right&quot; part of the country.    
And then there is this from one of your post above: 

&quot; Do you know how many immigrants come here to serve in our military when many of our own wouldn’t come to your defense?&quot;

 I did serve in this country&#039;s military.  As did my Father, and my father&#039;s Father- on Iwo Jima no less.  In my 15 years in the Texas National Guard, some of it active, some of it not, some of it attatched to the Minnesota National Guard, several reliefs in place with units we were relieving or being relieved by us, I heard very few non-American accents, unless you count the &quot;hispanics &quot; as non American.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr,<br />
My problem with you is you are a condescending and arrogant.   I actually agree with a lot of the things you say, but you seem to revert to the whole, &#8220;I am the only one that sees what is happening because I have studied so much history&#8221;  &#8211; and then you repeatedly run down those who have been here for multiple generations.   Im sorry if the people you hang around with dont see what is happening.  You apparently live in a not so &#8220;far right&#8221; part of the country.<br />
And then there is this from one of your post above: </p>
<p>&#8221; Do you know how many immigrants come here to serve in our military when many of our own wouldn’t come to your defense?&#8221;</p>
<p> I did serve in this country&#8217;s military.  As did my Father, and my father&#8217;s Father- on Iwo Jima no less.  In my 15 years in the Texas National Guard, some of it active, some of it not, some of it attatched to the Minnesota National Guard, several reliefs in place with units we were relieving or being relieved by us, I heard very few non-American accents, unless you count the &#8220;hispanics &#8221; as non American.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;“SIR we immigrants are fighting harder for your country than you are.”

Next paragraph:

“I am not an immigrant, I grew up here and was reared (not raised) before many of the changes, I got a classical education that people USED to get.”&lt;/i&gt;

my wife and many of my friends are immigrants. in fact nearly a majority now...  i am the first born and so i am in the middle, i don&#039;t belong with the natives, as i love America too much to be with them given their hate and ignorance. 

so if there is one natural born person and 10 immigrants in a group, is it right for me to say WE natural born people? 

or is it more accurate to say we immigrants, and type too fast forgetting to end it with and their CHILDREN?


whats your point?
 
that i am not perfect so everything i say is a wash? 

that immigrants dont care? 

that those who are more than 2nd generation are the real patriots and not the leftist progressive idiots who are demanding communism? 

WHAT IS THE POINT?


you clearly prove my case in the other thread where we are trained like Pavlov to hurt those who are not equal, to drive them to the same level. 

at some point my ethics and values will just crumble as i said, screw it. why should i work so hard to educate and save people from themselves and their own ignorance. 

if this place really goes full bore, what do you think will happen to me for writing all this? think i could tell them that i was joking? 

or did i burn my bridge when i made my choice and technically put my life on the line for people who beat me up &lt;i&gt;for not pretending i am equally ignorant? &lt;/i&gt;

maybe you didn&#039;t mean any harm.

maybe your just joking

but after so many games and abuses because i know things they dont, and they have to take me down a peg out of reflex rather than lift themselves up

you want to know why we are all in this situtaion? 

you&#039;all are the crabs in the bucket pulling down any one that might get out and then be able to help you out. inable to cooperate, you get no where, as everyone wants to be captain and no one knows how. those that know how, are not willing to fight dirty to take the seat. 

why should they?

when i walk away from here, or other places
even if i am chased out by abuse

i know that unlike those others, i CAN do things, i DO have options they dont have, and so i dont get upset after a short while. 

i get sad. 

and i leave them in the bucket for the chef and find another bucket to try to save some crabs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“SIR we immigrants are fighting harder for your country than you are.”</p>
<p>Next paragraph:</p>
<p>“I am not an immigrant, I grew up here and was reared (not raised) before many of the changes, I got a classical education that people USED to get.”</i></p>
<p>my wife and many of my friends are immigrants. in fact nearly a majority now&#8230;  i am the first born and so i am in the middle, i don&#8217;t belong with the natives, as i love America too much to be with them given their hate and ignorance. </p>
<p>so if there is one natural born person and 10 immigrants in a group, is it right for me to say WE natural born people? </p>
<p>or is it more accurate to say we immigrants, and type too fast forgetting to end it with and their CHILDREN?</p>
<p>whats your point?</p>
<p>that i am not perfect so everything i say is a wash? </p>
<p>that immigrants dont care? </p>
<p>that those who are more than 2nd generation are the real patriots and not the leftist progressive idiots who are demanding communism? </p>
<p>WHAT IS THE POINT?</p>
<p>you clearly prove my case in the other thread where we are trained like Pavlov to hurt those who are not equal, to drive them to the same level. </p>
<p>at some point my ethics and values will just crumble as i said, screw it. why should i work so hard to educate and save people from themselves and their own ignorance. </p>
<p>if this place really goes full bore, what do you think will happen to me for writing all this? think i could tell them that i was joking? </p>
<p>or did i burn my bridge when i made my choice and technically put my life on the line for people who beat me up <i>for not pretending i am equally ignorant? </i></p>
<p>maybe you didn&#8217;t mean any harm.</p>
<p>maybe your just joking</p>
<p>but after so many games and abuses because i know things they dont, and they have to take me down a peg out of reflex rather than lift themselves up</p>
<p>you want to know why we are all in this situtaion? </p>
<p>you&#8217;all are the crabs in the bucket pulling down any one that might get out and then be able to help you out. inable to cooperate, you get no where, as everyone wants to be captain and no one knows how. those that know how, are not willing to fight dirty to take the seat. </p>
<p>why should they?</p>
<p>when i walk away from here, or other places<br />
even if i am chased out by abuse</p>
<p>i know that unlike those others, i CAN do things, i DO have options they dont have, and so i dont get upset after a short while. </p>
<p>i get sad. </p>
<p>and i leave them in the bucket for the chef and find another bucket to try to save some crabs.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 01:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i might have gotten my wish!!! 

in this thread:
neoneocon.com/2010/03/16/the-slaughter-solution-constitutionality-and-precedent/#comment-150182

i commented:

&quot;Perhaps everyone in congress should get a copy…&quot;
[referring to some school house rock links on law and early America]

on free republic tonight

&quot;&quot;I&#039;m just a bill&quot; schoolhouse rock lesson right now on House floor&quot; 

This is Texas Rep. Michael Burgess, speaking now. He had the cartoon bill from the “I’m just a bill” tune displayed a minute ago - with a voice bubble saying something like “I don’t wanna be deemed.”

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx

now what i am hoping for (well since it sort of worked once :) ) is something similar to the flash mob that does the song from the sound of music...  but instead a flash mob thats singing the preamble of the constitution from school house rock.  say in grand central station... or central park... 

you would be surprised how many people know those words by heart from hearing them over and over again sat and sun mornings...

[lightning doesn&#039;t strike twice does it?]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i might have gotten my wish!!! </p>
<p>in this thread:<br />
neoneocon.com/2010/03/16/the-slaughter-solution-constitutionality-and-precedent/#comment-150182</p>
<p>i commented:</p>
<p>&#8220;Perhaps everyone in congress should get a copy…&#8221;<br />
[referring to some school house rock links on law and early America]</p>
<p>on free republic tonight</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;I&#8217;m just a bill&#8221; schoolhouse rock lesson right now on House floor&#8221; </p>
<p>This is Texas Rep. Michael Burgess, speaking now. He had the cartoon bill from the “I’m just a bill” tune displayed a minute ago &#8211; with a voice bubble saying something like “I don’t wanna be deemed.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx</a></p>
<p>now what i am hoping for (well since it sort of worked once 🙂 ) is something similar to the flash mob that does the song from the sound of music&#8230;  but instead a flash mob thats singing the preamble of the constitution from school house rock.  say in grand central station&#8230; or central park&#8230; </p>
<p>you would be surprised how many people know those words by heart from hearing them over and over again sat and sun mornings&#8230;</p>
<p>[lightning doesn&#8217;t strike twice does it?]</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My only act in my entire life of what might be called &quot;civil disobedience&quot; involved Mexican flags.  One night I was driving home around the time of the 2007 &quot;Immigration reform&quot; bill.   On the way home I saw a couple of Mexican pride related things.  I stopped by the Wal Mart to get something or look at something and happened to walk by the flag section.   There were as many mexican flags for sale as there as American ones.  I just couldnt take it anymore.  Somehow all the Mexican flags were on the floor when I left. lol

I am someone who has had many &quot;hispanic&quot; friends over the years.  Dated one &quot;hispanic &quot; girl.  But come into our country and fly your flag yet eat from the fruit of this land----makes my blood boil!  

On the one hand the Amercian annexation of the southwest was not pure.  The natives were wronged very badly.   But I seriously doubt the Commanche, the Siuox, the Apache, etc Natives considered themselves &quot;Mexican&quot;.  Certainly there were natives that were absorbed by the Spanish in its religious missions- such was the Early history of the place we call the Alamo- &quot;Cottonwood&quot; tree in spanish by the way.  And these natives became &quot;Mexicans&quot; when Mexico got its independence from Spain in 1821. But many of the Mexicans joined the Anglos and fought for Texas independence in the 1830&#039;s.   If you read the Treaty of Guadeloupe Hidalgo which ended the Mexican-American war of 1848 you will find that the indians are named as a third party by the Americans and the Mexicans.  Seems the Commanches were pretty rough on the Mexicans! I also find it interesting that the Cannon at Gonzales that triggered the battle some call &quot; The Lexington of Texas&quot; was a cannon that was given by the Mexican government to the settlers to defend themselves against the real natives of Texas. An attempt by the new Mexican dictator Santa Anna to repo that cannon in 1835 triggered the battle.
The &quot;Come and Take It&quot; Flag associated with that battle I have seen at a Texas Tea Party.  Its used as a sort of pro 2nd Amendment flag.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only act in my entire life of what might be called &#8220;civil disobedience&#8221; involved Mexican flags.  One night I was driving home around the time of the 2007 &#8220;Immigration reform&#8221; bill.   On the way home I saw a couple of Mexican pride related things.  I stopped by the Wal Mart to get something or look at something and happened to walk by the flag section.   There were as many mexican flags for sale as there as American ones.  I just couldnt take it anymore.  Somehow all the Mexican flags were on the floor when I left. lol</p>
<p>I am someone who has had many &#8220;hispanic&#8221; friends over the years.  Dated one &#8220;hispanic &#8221; girl.  But come into our country and fly your flag yet eat from the fruit of this land&#8212;-makes my blood boil!  </p>
<p>On the one hand the Amercian annexation of the southwest was not pure.  The natives were wronged very badly.   But I seriously doubt the Commanche, the Siuox, the Apache, etc Natives considered themselves &#8220;Mexican&#8221;.  Certainly there were natives that were absorbed by the Spanish in its religious missions- such was the Early history of the place we call the Alamo- &#8220;Cottonwood&#8221; tree in spanish by the way.  And these natives became &#8220;Mexicans&#8221; when Mexico got its independence from Spain in 1821. But many of the Mexicans joined the Anglos and fought for Texas independence in the 1830&#8217;s.   If you read the Treaty of Guadeloupe Hidalgo which ended the Mexican-American war of 1848 you will find that the indians are named as a third party by the Americans and the Mexicans.  Seems the Commanches were pretty rough on the Mexicans! I also find it interesting that the Cannon at Gonzales that triggered the battle some call &#8221; The Lexington of Texas&#8221; was a cannon that was given by the Mexican government to the settlers to defend themselves against the real natives of Texas. An attempt by the new Mexican dictator Santa Anna to repo that cannon in 1835 triggered the battle.<br />
The &#8220;Come and Take It&#8221; Flag associated with that battle I have seen at a Texas Tea Party.  Its used as a sort of pro 2nd Amendment flag.</p>
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