Comments on: Have fun with this one https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/ A blog about political change, among other things Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:41:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Yackums https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-148064 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:41:01 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-148064 jvermeer –

So, in other words, Liberals don’t get what even Forrest Gump understands –

“Intelligent is as intelligent does.”

]]> By: JuliB https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147991 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 23:04:59 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147991 These studies irk the heck out of me. I’m in Mensa, and HATE the self-satisfaction the liberal annointed ones who think that because they have an edge in intelligence, that they know best for everyone. I am blessed to know some really bright cookies who are ultra conservative as well as those who are liberals.

Just because you can use statistics in an argument doesn’t mean you should be ‘allowed’ to…

]]> By: Steve G https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147945 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:33:57 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147945 Only a liberal could conclude that those who question are less intelligent than those who docilely accept.

Most of us arrived at our conservative views by beginning to question the liberal mindset that was drummed into us by our teachers, families and friends. Asking perplexing questions and having the fortitude and will to seek personal answers must be the reason why we are more stupid for the trip than if we had never started. We wasted all that brainpower in the exercise. In other words, if you want to be thought of as smart, you must unchange your mind and go back to blissful liberalism.

]]> By: Assistant Village Idiot https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147936 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:25:11 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147936 jvermeer51 – excellent observation. I’m keeping that last idea.

]]> By: jvermeer51 https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147898 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:53:55 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147898 A non-rigorously researched observation: liberals seem to treat intelligence as justifying conclusions. E.g. Obama or Clinton or Gore are so intelligent so what they say automatically has credibility and can be challenged only by someone else demonstrably as intelligent. Conservatives seem to treat intelligence merely as a tool. You may be intelligent but exactly what is it that you can do or solve. While a volunteer at a community college, I listened while a department head and another instructor spent five minutes talking about the wonder IQ’s of liberal politicians with whom they agreed and the horrible IQ’s of those with whom they disagreed. Having spent 20 years in business, I never witnessed any conversation even remotely similar. In business, one might talk about whether an employee has the intelligence to do a particular task.
Such attitudes toward intelligence may also explain why liberalism may attract more intelligent people; they will worship you merely for your brain.

]]> By: Assistant Village Idiot https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147846 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:29:45 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147846 JohnK – tour de force. Saved me the trouble and said it better.

Despite the claim that 6 IQ points over a large population is small, it is in fact enormous. If a difference at that level were real, it would be easy to demonstrate an intellectual superiority of liberal atheists even with slipshod studies. There may be something to the theory, for the reasons that Mr. Frank (and the article) suggests: people like to socially signal what they believe are their best traits. Having a non-conforming opinion signals I have thought about this. I am signaling that I am thoughtful. (The truth or falsity of the opinion is a separate matter.) But 6 to 11 points is not going to hold up. Just aint.

I don’t think the evidence that IQ tests are culturally biased holds up very well, though many people would be gratified to think so. It measures what it says it does, but that is much narrower than what people interpret it to mean. I was in an ultra-high years ago, Prometheus (164+)* and at the time I likened IQ in life to height in basketball: everyone would like a little more, it’s an advantage, but the greatest players are not always the tallest. Other factors, such as speed, coordination, determination, etc, come into play. Lots of high-IQ people don’t fully apprehend that beyond a certain threshold most people’s jobs and lives don’t require those extra points. For 99% of us, anything more than 10 or 20 extra points beyond the minimum necessary to do our job is superfluous.

In the Prometheus Society, BTW, there were more atheists than in the general population, but not so enormously as to suggest there’s much meaning. There were plenty of fairly conventional Christians and Jews in the mix. As for liberalism, it was fine conservative writers in the newsletter who were highly instrumental in putting me on the road out of self-congratulatory leftism.

*I think that’s an overestimate in my case.

]]> By: Giles https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147810 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 05:19:06 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147810 The majority of liberal atheists I’ve met have been extraordinarily stupid, closeminded and distasteful people. Now, I’ve met liberal atheists who are stupid but not closeminded, distasteful but not stupid, closeminded but not distasteful, but as a whole the atheists and liberals I’ve met fulfill one or all of those criteria.

Even though I’ve stopped identifying myself as a Christian – mainly because of the clueless nature of today’s Episcopalian clergy – I will never identify myself as an atheist, because to do so I would have to possess a victim complex usually reserved for furries and Scientologists.

-G

]]> By: Bob From Virginia https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147786 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:26:19 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147786 betsybounds Says: “Intelligence refers to, or for all practical purposes should refer to, the ability to learn.”

Learn what? I can learn one subject easily, another with great difficulty. Jimmy Carter was a nuclear engineer, look how brillant a leader he was.

Notice I am not using Obmessiah as an example; his not a question of IQ but of character and neurosis.

]]> By: Sergey https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147739 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:44:09 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147739 Pure garbage. There is no way objectively measure “liberalism”, as Tatyana correctly observed, so to claim the difference by 1/3 of standard deviation be statistically significant on the basis of so poorly defined criteria is ridiculous.
Remember Orwell: “Only intellectual can be so stupid”

]]> By: Gringo https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147695 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 06:03:10 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2010/02/27/have-fun-with-this-one/#comment-147695 Mr. Frank:
I thought liberal academics didn’t believe in IQ tests.
Only when they can be used to demonstrate the inferiority of those they despise.

One problem with the study is that it deals with adolescents. My political viewpoints as an adolescent are rather different from what they are today.

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