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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/25/meanwhile-in-the-ongoing-democrat-war-against-the-cia/#comment-147593</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NeoConScum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Shameful&quot; what they did in Nicaragua in the &#039;80s?
Whew. You mean like helping to bring the Communists to overreach and agree to internationally supervised elections? Which led, in turn, to the establishment of a far more representative gov&#039;t?

Even with the Left-Lout Ortega currently back in the presidency, it ain&#039;t like the halcyon days of Sandanista-Communist Rule.

Here&#039;s a nasty little &#039;troot: Our CIA &#038; Black Ops people aren&#039;t supposed to be nicey-nice, play fair with scumbags and follow the freaking rules. Duhhh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Shameful&#8221; what they did in Nicaragua in the &#8217;80s?<br />
Whew. You mean like helping to bring the Communists to overreach and agree to internationally supervised elections? Which led, in turn, to the establishment of a far more representative gov&#8217;t?</p>
<p>Even with the Left-Lout Ortega currently back in the presidency, it ain&#8217;t like the halcyon days of Sandanista-Communist Rule.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a nasty little &#8216;troot: Our CIA &amp; Black Ops people aren&#8217;t supposed to be nicey-nice, play fair with scumbags and follow the freaking rules. Duhhh.</p>
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		By: Bob From Virginia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob From Virginia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great a cabal of useful idiots making laws the would neutralize our defenses, this time they were caught.  Go to RubinReports (refer to the experiences concerning 4th grade education) and read how they are indoctrinating the next generation to hate America.  We are in a genuine war against a subculture of elitism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great a cabal of useful idiots making laws the would neutralize our defenses, this time they were caught.  Go to RubinReports (refer to the experiences concerning 4th grade education) and read how they are indoctrinating the next generation to hate America.  We are in a genuine war against a subculture of elitism.</p>
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		By: waltj		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[waltj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It’s shameful what the CIA did in Nicaragua in the 80’s but that doesn’t mean they can be a force for protecting people in America today.&lt;/i&gt;

Sorry, I&#039;m not going to let that one slide.  To me, trying to get rid of the Sandinistas is something to be applauded, not ashamed of.  It&#039;s certainly possible to question whether the methods were the ones the U.S. should have selected, but I have no argument with the ultimate goal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s shameful what the CIA did in Nicaragua in the 80’s but that doesn’t mean they can be a force for protecting people in America today.</i></p>
<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m not going to let that one slide.  To me, trying to get rid of the Sandinistas is something to be applauded, not ashamed of.  It&#8217;s certainly possible to question whether the methods were the ones the U.S. should have selected, but I have no argument with the ultimate goal.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cybersecurity bill to give president new emergency powers

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/83961-forthcoming-cybersecurity-bill-to-give-president-new-powers-in-cyberattack-emergencies]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cybersecurity bill to give president new emergency powers</p>
<p><a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/83961-forthcoming-cybersecurity-bill-to-give-president-new-powers-in-cyberattack-emergencies" rel="nofollow ugc">http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/83961-forthcoming-cybersecurity-bill-to-give-president-new-powers-in-cyberattack-emergencies</a></p>
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		By: Sadie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sadie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I want the name of the traitor!  There&#039;s a job opening at Sea World - when you behave like a shark -  swim with them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want the name of the traitor!  There&#8217;s a job opening at Sea World &#8211; when you behave like a shark &#8211;  swim with them.</p>
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		By: nyomythus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nyomythus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s shameful what the CIA did in Nicaragua in the 80&#039;s but that doesn&#039;t mean they can be a force for protecting people in America today. Seems they have been making a change for the better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s shameful what the CIA did in Nicaragua in the 80&#8217;s but that doesn&#8217;t mean they can be a force for protecting people in America today. Seems they have been making a change for the better.</p>
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		By: waltj		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/25/meanwhile-in-the-ongoing-democrat-war-against-the-cia/#comment-147467</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[waltj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The left cannot see the CIA as a legitimate arm of the US government, but rather as some kind of shadow government out of the movies.&lt;/i&gt;

But they never had the same kind of issues with the KGB, Stasi, DGI, etc.  Funny thing, that.  Wonder why...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The left cannot see the CIA as a legitimate arm of the US government, but rather as some kind of shadow government out of the movies.</i></p>
<p>But they never had the same kind of issues with the KGB, Stasi, DGI, etc.  Funny thing, that.  Wonder why&#8230;</p>
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		By: F		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just answered my own question: Jim McDermitt of Washington State.  Can we trade Washington for British Columbia?  F]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just answered my own question: Jim McDermitt of Washington State.  Can we trade Washington for British Columbia?  F</p>
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		By: F		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/25/meanwhile-in-the-ongoing-democrat-war-against-the-cia/#comment-147463</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wish we could know what House Member was responsible for inserting this language.  It&#039;s a despicable effort.  Hoekstra is to be commended for bringing it to the light of day and opposing it.  I&#039;ve always been impressed with him.  F]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish we could know what House Member was responsible for inserting this language.  It&#8217;s a despicable effort.  Hoekstra is to be commended for bringing it to the light of day and opposing it.  I&#8217;ve always been impressed with him.  F</p>
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		By: Daniel in Brookline		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel in Brookline]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[nyomythus:

I agree, except that, given the urgency of cases like this, I&#039;d prefer more leeway for the little guy.

Let it be understood that unnecessary torture will not be tolerated.  Let CIA operatives, and US military personnel, understand that, if they do something that looks like torture and save lives as a result, they&#039;ll be considered the heroes they are... but that if they do so for no good reason, they&#039;ll be treated like the cockroaches they are.

In short: by all means, let interrogators have strong reasons to fear using coercion unnecessarily.  &lt;b&gt;But don&#039;t tie their hands.&lt;/b&gt;  Let them do what needs to be done to save lives... and, if they screw up, make them pay for screwing up.

On a different level, Stephen den Beste explained a while back that we should &lt;b&gt;never&lt;/b&gt; tell our enemies what we won&#039;t do.  Let the terrorists believe that, if they provoke us enough, we could nuke Mecca without warning.  If that stops them from provoking us, that&#039;s a good thing, is it not?

(And no, we don&#039;t need to &quot;prove good will&quot; on such matters.  The terrorists never bother with that, do they?  And it should be obvious that we don&#039;t want to torture prisoners, or conquer a country to steal its oil, or any of the other things we pre-emptively accuse ourselves of doing.  If we wanted to do these things, we would do them on a regular basis.  We don&#039;t.  &#039;Nuff said.)

respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nyomythus:</p>
<p>I agree, except that, given the urgency of cases like this, I&#8217;d prefer more leeway for the little guy.</p>
<p>Let it be understood that unnecessary torture will not be tolerated.  Let CIA operatives, and US military personnel, understand that, if they do something that looks like torture and save lives as a result, they&#8217;ll be considered the heroes they are&#8230; but that if they do so for no good reason, they&#8217;ll be treated like the cockroaches they are.</p>
<p>In short: by all means, let interrogators have strong reasons to fear using coercion unnecessarily.  <b>But don&#8217;t tie their hands.</b>  Let them do what needs to be done to save lives&#8230; and, if they screw up, make them pay for screwing up.</p>
<p>On a different level, Stephen den Beste explained a while back that we should <b>never</b> tell our enemies what we won&#8217;t do.  Let the terrorists believe that, if they provoke us enough, we could nuke Mecca without warning.  If that stops them from provoking us, that&#8217;s a good thing, is it not?</p>
<p>(And no, we don&#8217;t need to &#8220;prove good will&#8221; on such matters.  The terrorists never bother with that, do they?  And it should be obvious that we don&#8217;t want to torture prisoners, or conquer a country to steal its oil, or any of the other things we pre-emptively accuse ourselves of doing.  If we wanted to do these things, we would do them on a regular basis.  We don&#8217;t.  &#8216;Nuff said.)</p>
<p>respectfully,<br />
Daniel in Brookline</p>
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