I’m down with (1) and hadn’t considered (2).

Richard Aubrey
what happens when the citizenry rejects the scare?

They are forced to start work and construct a new lie, a new group, take over another name of something people like, etc.

what is the secret of herding those who would not be herded? an ignorance that allows each to construct a different reason to reach for the same others goals!

normally, in freedom we each construct different goals and ideals and reasons, and they sum together to make a population of men (and women of course), who as a population have no purpose, but as individuals each having their own. ie… to those who think that governing is ruling, this is untenable.

i can make it simple (not for you rich, i know you can handle it the tough way!)…

if one was to try to govern kindergarten kids, one can let them loose and just move things out of their way. if one is to accept their autonomy, then one would also allow them to get hurt (something men allow mroe than women because of biology), but not killed without knowing. there is a give and take that keeps order, in that no one has to rebel, as there is nothing to rebel against, nothing to have a revolution against. those who are told no, are not ordered, but given information. and they are free to continue on their bad paths, and free to get more explanation and consequences.

the point being is that to govern them, is to accept their individual purpoes and provide truth and honesty so they can make their own choices. yes the whole has no purpose, but each part does. and together makes all the things that we love and hate.

but if govern is to rule, then how does that relationship change? the people wont follow orders, so they try to hide their orders in changing circumstances forgetting debate in favor of lying and manipulation. however humans are living beings and such behavior is antithetical to life, other than domesticated to the few doing so. and so we resist. we will take up a single task that is not our own for a crisis, but we wish to break apart on our own when it goes.

the state to the population is just the organizer of the playground, and they dont want them to design a play ground, they want to let the play ground just happen and suprise them and exceed their collective imagination. so in essence when the citizenry learns and rejects the scare, the citizenry is rejecting being RULED by OTHER MEANS.

that is, if they cant use a gun to order you. they need other means. they need circumstances to steer you (so the pretend that their politics are improving things when all they are doing is justifying their injustifyable tinkering in others lives)…

if they cant march you into a camp and throw a lever, but they also refuse to accept defeat and abandon their goals, what then is left?

and once you learn and figure this out, the rest of the game of arguing what something is, becomes clear. a way of establishing the same end through a manipulative means, vs a means of force (which is too counterproductive when force does not own everything internal and external to it).

[edited for length by n-n]

I keep thinking we’ve come to the limit of just how stupid this President thinks we are — and I keep discovering that I’m wrong.

the fullfillment of the list of goals as laid out by steve chase back when.

Richard Aubrey:
In the original i think your referring to Hoover
in the remake, its cloward piven.

who is copying a long line of others saying the same thing,

plagiarism to the ignorant is as fresh as the first time it was written and a smash by someone else.

“Every collectivist revolution rides in on a Trojan horse of ’emergency’. It was the tactic of Lenin, Hitler, and Mussolini. In the collectivist sweep over a dozen minor countries of Europe, it was the cry of men striving to get on horseback. And ’emergency’ became the justification of the subsequent steps. This technique of creating emergency is the greatest achievement that demagoguery attains.” — Herbert Hoover

but dont think there is a common pattern copied from history… no no… 100s cant naturally fall into line by learning from the same source… and why they hide that source…

nope… go back to sleep..

there is nothing to learn from the time they were open and honest thinking everyone wanted what they wanted…

Can the Democrats really afford to drag this out another couple months?

Whether they can afford it or not, they seem intent on doing so.