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		By: Nolanimrod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/05/sullivan-edwards-palin-and-the-atlantic/#comment-144656</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The geeks are always with us.  Lesson?  If you&#039;re a rat or a chicken, duck!]]></description>
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		By: Foxfier		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 04:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[... free form poetry without any line-breaks?]]></description>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/05/sullivan-edwards-palin-and-the-atlantic/#comment-144548</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NeoConScum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve figured for a few years now that Sully&#039;s longtime HIV has had a sanity-toll on his head. Sad. His stuff when he was Editor of The New Republic and had Fred Barnes, Mort Kondracke, Charles Krauthammer and other very solid guys writing for him was often wonderful. The best piece I&#039;ve ever read on Bill Clinton&#039;s mental pathology was written by Sully as &#039;TRB&#039; in TNR in Feb or March 2001, just after Bubba&#039;s exit. It was titled,&quot;Psycho&quot;. His multi-part NY Times Magazine series on the idiocy of &quot;Hate Crimes&quot; re-Gays was amazingly spot on in the early 2000s.

Sad. And The Atlantic, former home of the late-great Michael Kelley, has fallen far in recent times.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve figured for a few years now that Sully&#8217;s longtime HIV has had a sanity-toll on his head. Sad. His stuff when he was Editor of The New Republic and had Fred Barnes, Mort Kondracke, Charles Krauthammer and other very solid guys writing for him was often wonderful. The best piece I&#8217;ve ever read on Bill Clinton&#8217;s mental pathology was written by Sully as &#8216;TRB&#8217; in TNR in Feb or March 2001, just after Bubba&#8217;s exit. It was titled,&#8221;Psycho&#8221;. His multi-part NY Times Magazine series on the idiocy of &#8220;Hate Crimes&#8221; re-Gays was amazingly spot on in the early 2000s.</p>
<p>Sad. And The Atlantic, former home of the late-great Michael Kelley, has fallen far in recent times.</p>
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		By: Leslie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/05/sullivan-edwards-palin-and-the-atlantic/#comment-144527</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leslie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In February 2006, on practically a moment&#039;s notice, I went to DC to take part in the show of support in front of the Danish Embassy that Christopher Hitchens organized in response to the cartoon controversy. Several prominent conservatives were in the crowd–Tony Blankley and Bill Kristol, for example–in addition to Hitchens and Andrew Sullivan. (I noted to an interesting looking woman in the crowd that there were very few of us girls there, and she looked at me like I had told her the sky was green; little did I know she was Carol Blue, Hitchens&#039;s wife!) Anyway, after the crowd dispersed and I was walking back to my hotel, I saw Andrew go by on his bicycle, and something in me, probably the continuing feeling of solidarity, made me call out his name. He immediately stopped and came over, and we talked for a good half hour on the street corner. He was nothing but a gentleman. I did notice, though, that his thinking about Bush administration policies was changing, sharply. There was a hardening of the heart, it seemed to me. Long before he started in on Palin but soon after that meeting, I noticed that the tone of his writing began to change dramatically. I even wrote to him once, during the 2008 presidential campaign, saying that I hated to be critical since he had been so kind to me that day in 2006 but that it seemed to me that he had gone from being a critical observer to an ideological partisan, to which he wrote back telling me not to worry, that he was just fine. Of course, he&#039;s only gotten much much worse. I hate to say it, but the thought first came to my mind on that cold clear day in February that something bad was happening to his brain and that it was physiological. I don&#039;t read him at all anymore. I find it just too painful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In February 2006, on practically a moment&#8217;s notice, I went to DC to take part in the show of support in front of the Danish Embassy that Christopher Hitchens organized in response to the cartoon controversy. Several prominent conservatives were in the crowd–Tony Blankley and Bill Kristol, for example–in addition to Hitchens and Andrew Sullivan. (I noted to an interesting looking woman in the crowd that there were very few of us girls there, and she looked at me like I had told her the sky was green; little did I know she was Carol Blue, Hitchens&#8217;s wife!) Anyway, after the crowd dispersed and I was walking back to my hotel, I saw Andrew go by on his bicycle, and something in me, probably the continuing feeling of solidarity, made me call out his name. He immediately stopped and came over, and we talked for a good half hour on the street corner. He was nothing but a gentleman. I did notice, though, that his thinking about Bush administration policies was changing, sharply. There was a hardening of the heart, it seemed to me. Long before he started in on Palin but soon after that meeting, I noticed that the tone of his writing began to change dramatically. I even wrote to him once, during the 2008 presidential campaign, saying that I hated to be critical since he had been so kind to me that day in 2006 but that it seemed to me that he had gone from being a critical observer to an ideological partisan, to which he wrote back telling me not to worry, that he was just fine. Of course, he&#8217;s only gotten much much worse. I hate to say it, but the thought first came to my mind on that cold clear day in February that something bad was happening to his brain and that it was physiological. I don&#8217;t read him at all anymore. I find it just too painful.</p>
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		By: Sgt. Mom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sgt. Mom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With regard to Harpers and Atlantic, I used to read both of them regularly - and since high school, as my mother had a subscription to both. Back in the day, they were pretty similar and of similar high quality; Mom could never decide which one to give up in the name of economy, so she kept them both. I fell to the same dilemma - but I let Harpers go after 9/11, mostly because of Lewis Lapham, the sanctimonious old poop. At that time, the Atlantic just seemed to get better, especially when Michael Kelly was the editor. But I let it go also, a couple of years ago. Couldn&#039;t afford it, and it seems also to have gone pretty much the same way as Harpers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regard to Harpers and Atlantic, I used to read both of them regularly &#8211; and since high school, as my mother had a subscription to both. Back in the day, they were pretty similar and of similar high quality; Mom could never decide which one to give up in the name of economy, so she kept them both. I fell to the same dilemma &#8211; but I let Harpers go after 9/11, mostly because of Lewis Lapham, the sanctimonious old poop. At that time, the Atlantic just seemed to get better, especially when Michael Kelly was the editor. But I let it go also, a couple of years ago. Couldn&#8217;t afford it, and it seems also to have gone pretty much the same way as Harpers.</p>
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		By: DerHahn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DerHahn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[grackle - I&#039;ve been reading MM since she was  working at the Twin Towers clean up and blogging independently (Jane Galt, renamed to Assimetric Information).

She is a bundle of contradictions in terms of politics, and I think you are correct that her views seem to be influenced to a great degree by classism and a desire to be liked by the right sort of people.  Oddly enough Her husband works (worked?) at a conservative thinktank.  People (a writer at Playboy, IIRC, oddly enough) have raised a stink over that related to the Tea Party movement, impling that he was secretly influencing her blogposts that were at least not uniformly critical of them.

She used to be far more libertarian, even verging on conservative at times but as she has moved into NY-DC media circles (Business Week, I think, then the Atlantic) she&#039;s adopted conventional liberal attitudes about most topics while remaining fairly conservative in economics.  She&#039;s had Sullivan-like drift to an anti-Bush stance though I think the influence for her was more the Iraq war.

She was a strong opponent of HCR and got a lot of grief from her liberal readers for it.  Her acceptance of liberal memes really comes out when she dashes off a quick post about an emerging story or blogs about a topic outside economic.  She uncritically accepted the &#039;they were bugging Landrieu&#039;s office&#039; story about James O&#039;Keefe, and was clearly happy to see him (supposedly) taken down a peg or two.  She&#039;s also had a hard time admitting that the revelations about the CRU have pretty much proven theories of AGW to be a fraud.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>grackle &#8211; I&#8217;ve been reading MM since she was  working at the Twin Towers clean up and blogging independently (Jane Galt, renamed to Assimetric Information).</p>
<p>She is a bundle of contradictions in terms of politics, and I think you are correct that her views seem to be influenced to a great degree by classism and a desire to be liked by the right sort of people.  Oddly enough Her husband works (worked?) at a conservative thinktank.  People (a writer at Playboy, IIRC, oddly enough) have raised a stink over that related to the Tea Party movement, impling that he was secretly influencing her blogposts that were at least not uniformly critical of them.</p>
<p>She used to be far more libertarian, even verging on conservative at times but as she has moved into NY-DC media circles (Business Week, I think, then the Atlantic) she&#8217;s adopted conventional liberal attitudes about most topics while remaining fairly conservative in economics.  She&#8217;s had Sullivan-like drift to an anti-Bush stance though I think the influence for her was more the Iraq war.</p>
<p>She was a strong opponent of HCR and got a lot of grief from her liberal readers for it.  Her acceptance of liberal memes really comes out when she dashes off a quick post about an emerging story or blogs about a topic outside economic.  She uncritically accepted the &#8216;they were bugging Landrieu&#8217;s office&#8217; story about James O&#8217;Keefe, and was clearly happy to see him (supposedly) taken down a peg or two.  She&#8217;s also had a hard time admitting that the revelations about the CRU have pretty much proven theories of AGW to be a fraud.</p>
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		By: grackle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;grackle: the Atlantic was a decent magazine just a couple of years ago. Light years ahead of Harper’s.&lt;/i&gt;

I’ll take your word for it and admit that I have never regularly read either magazine. Perhaps I was too hasty in my previous comment. I was a casual reader of Sullivan’s pre-Atlantic blog for awhile, never realizing that he self-identified as a conservative. If Sullivan is a conservative then I’m an Eskimo. I thought of him as an entertaining liberal blogger, but left off when he contracted Bush Derangement Syndrome. I sent him an email telling him why and received an email back which was of the “good riddance” variety. I’m sure I was not missed. 

I read McArdle on-line because she manages to write fluently about economics — an area in which I need to be educated. I have found most writers on economic issues to be poor writers. She seems to be a nice, caring person who purports to be a libertarian but who is(as far as I can tell) actually a liberal with libertarian economic traits. She seems to buy into most of the Progressive political memes. She voted for Obama because she was afraid that McCain would have started a war with Iran — or so she has implied. My guess is that she simply could not identify psychologically with the McCain/Palin duo, they being too far afield of the class and intellectual milieu she aspires to and probably has big problems with social conservatism — an attitude with which I can emphathize. On foreign policy she seems to be Progressive but it’s not a subject that she writes about very often so that too is a guess on my part. 

Hitchens has long been a favorite of mine. He’s partially sane, having a good viewpoint on certain aspects of foreign policy, but other than that I find little with which to agree. No matter, he is a consummate writer and debater — always worth reading and I love it when he demolishes anti-war types on TV.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>grackle: the Atlantic was a decent magazine just a couple of years ago. Light years ahead of Harper’s.</i></p>
<p>I’ll take your word for it and admit that I have never regularly read either magazine. Perhaps I was too hasty in my previous comment. I was a casual reader of Sullivan’s pre-Atlantic blog for awhile, never realizing that he self-identified as a conservative. If Sullivan is a conservative then I’m an Eskimo. I thought of him as an entertaining liberal blogger, but left off when he contracted Bush Derangement Syndrome. I sent him an email telling him why and received an email back which was of the “good riddance” variety. I’m sure I was not missed. </p>
<p>I read McArdle on-line because she manages to write fluently about economics — an area in which I need to be educated. I have found most writers on economic issues to be poor writers. She seems to be a nice, caring person who purports to be a libertarian but who is(as far as I can tell) actually a liberal with libertarian economic traits. She seems to buy into most of the Progressive political memes. She voted for Obama because she was afraid that McCain would have started a war with Iran — or so she has implied. My guess is that she simply could not identify psychologically with the McCain/Palin duo, they being too far afield of the class and intellectual milieu she aspires to and probably has big problems with social conservatism — an attitude with which I can emphathize. On foreign policy she seems to be Progressive but it’s not a subject that she writes about very often so that too is a guess on my part. </p>
<p>Hitchens has long been a favorite of mine. He’s partially sane, having a good viewpoint on certain aspects of foreign policy, but other than that I find little with which to agree. No matter, he is a consummate writer and debater — always worth reading and I love it when he demolishes anti-war types on TV.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 06:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;the Atlantic was a decent magazine just a couple of years ago. Light years ahead of Harper’s.&lt;/i&gt;

Atlantic is, of course, liberal but still a decent magazine. Harper&#039;s has plumb lost its mind. 

Sigh. I used to subscribe.

Leaving my biases aside, I must say that most of the slicks and Sunday supplements have lost ground in terms of general readability. 

Again and again, I find myself reading articles in which the author overwhelms me with dutiful details and anecdotes, as if to prove to the editor that the expenses of the article were well-spent and the writer has mastered complex cumulative sentences, but I have no idea what the point of the article is.

It&#039;s very frustrating.

And then if you subject, say, a James Fallow article (a mainstay in The Atlantic) to close reading you find that that logic doesn&#039;t hold up any better than an Obama speech. It just takes you longer to parse the darn thing and find the holes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the Atlantic was a decent magazine just a couple of years ago. Light years ahead of Harper’s.</i></p>
<p>Atlantic is, of course, liberal but still a decent magazine. Harper&#8217;s has plumb lost its mind. </p>
<p>Sigh. I used to subscribe.</p>
<p>Leaving my biases aside, I must say that most of the slicks and Sunday supplements have lost ground in terms of general readability. </p>
<p>Again and again, I find myself reading articles in which the author overwhelms me with dutiful details and anecdotes, as if to prove to the editor that the expenses of the article were well-spent and the writer has mastered complex cumulative sentences, but I have no idea what the point of the article is.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very frustrating.</p>
<p>And then if you subject, say, a James Fallow article (a mainstay in The Atlantic) to close reading you find that that logic doesn&#8217;t hold up any better than an Obama speech. It just takes you longer to parse the darn thing and find the holes.</p>
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		By: Baklava		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baklava]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 05:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[colagirl,

If Palin were a man Sullivan would heart Palin. 

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<p>If Palin were a man Sullivan would heart Palin. </p>
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		By: colagirl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[colagirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 05:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frankly, Sullivan&#039;s obsession with Sarah Palin&#039;s uterus has gotten to the point where I think Palin ought to sue him for harassment, or *something.*  It&#039;s gone beyond funny, it&#039;s gone beyond strange, it&#039;s gone beyond creepy, it&#039;s gone beyond sick, all the way into horrifying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, Sullivan&#8217;s obsession with Sarah Palin&#8217;s uterus has gotten to the point where I think Palin ought to sue him for harassment, or *something.*  It&#8217;s gone beyond funny, it&#8217;s gone beyond strange, it&#8217;s gone beyond creepy, it&#8217;s gone beyond sick, all the way into horrifying.</p>
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