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		By: Obama&#8217;s fascist SOTU speech &#171; Public Secrets		</title>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/04/obamas-philosophically-fascist-sotu-speech/#comment-144345</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;If one is going to speak philosophically, one ought define terms at least and Shapiro makes no attempt to explain by what he means by fascist, much less demonstrating how Obama’s speech fits that definition.

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thats because he isnt writing to the ignorant who dont know what it is in its visceral form

your faulting him for not doing what you yelled at me when i did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fascism is communism and capitalism together. 

thats it.. nothing more, nothing less. 

when the state controls the means of production by owning it itself thats communism

when the state controls the means of production by taxation, laws, rules, and regulations that pick winners and losers and take a big cut from companies, while favoring monopolization.. 

thats fascism. 
[not chrony capitalism and all the othe false labels that equate what we have now with capitalism, not with what it is, fascism]

of course you never lived under it
or grew up with dozens of people who did. 

so please continue. 

i find your fantasies and other views made up from smoke to be very interesting now. i am no longer interested in participating with you on my level, i am intrested in participating with you on your level. 

so i am trying to learn to key off of the general false reality made by the resonance of similar fantasies replacing historical facts. 

so please continue]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If one is going to speak philosophically, one ought define terms at least and Shapiro makes no attempt to explain by what he means by fascist, much less demonstrating how Obama’s speech fits that definition.</p>
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<p>thats because he isnt writing to the ignorant who dont know what it is in its visceral form</p>
<p>your faulting him for not doing what you yelled at me when i did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>fascism is communism and capitalism together. </p>
<p>thats it.. nothing more, nothing less. </p>
<p>when the state controls the means of production by owning it itself thats communism</p>
<p>when the state controls the means of production by taxation, laws, rules, and regulations that pick winners and losers and take a big cut from companies, while favoring monopolization.. </p>
<p>thats fascism.<br />
[not chrony capitalism and all the othe false labels that equate what we have now with capitalism, not with what it is, fascism]</p>
<p>of course you never lived under it<br />
or grew up with dozens of people who did. </p>
<p>so please continue. </p>
<p>i find your fantasies and other views made up from smoke to be very interesting now. i am no longer interested in participating with you on my level, i am intrested in participating with you on your level. </p>
<p>so i am trying to learn to key off of the general false reality made by the resonance of similar fantasies replacing historical facts. </p>
<p>so please continue</p>
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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/04/obamas-philosophically-fascist-sotu-speech/#comment-144335</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J. formerly Jimmy J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ya know what? I really learn a lot from neo and the commenters here. It&#039;s like being part of a graduate school seminar. 

 It makes one feel very grateful for..........well, everything. But especially the Internet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya know what? I really learn a lot from neo and the commenters here. It&#8217;s like being part of a graduate school seminar. </p>
<p> It makes one feel very grateful for&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.well, everything. But especially the Internet.</p>
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		By: Obama&#8217;s Bunker Bubble &#171; Sake White		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Selfishness is not a bug, but a feature. This is an indispensible part of human nature, needed to prevent degeneration of humankind into beehive. Bigotry is also not a bug, but a feature: it is needed to keep cultures and people separate and compete with each other. Inequality is both inevitable and necessary for progress, because natural selection works only by elimination of misfits from reproduction.
Everybody who wants eradicate selfishness, bigotry and inequality is a fascist. You can take it as a definition of this notion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selfishness is not a bug, but a feature. This is an indispensible part of human nature, needed to prevent degeneration of humankind into beehive. Bigotry is also not a bug, but a feature: it is needed to keep cultures and people separate and compete with each other. Inequality is both inevitable and necessary for progress, because natural selection works only by elimination of misfits from reproduction.<br />
Everybody who wants eradicate selfishness, bigotry and inequality is a fascist. You can take it as a definition of this notion.</p>
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		By: Amy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/04/obamas-philosophically-fascist-sotu-speech/#comment-144289</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;He sees himself as embodiment of the collective will. No president should speak in these terms -- not in a representative republic.&lt;/i&gt;

I certainly agree. I have found that disturbing from Day One. Every speech he makes I find myself thinking: &quot;Who does he think he is?&quot;

Most disturbing moment in SOTU? His attack on the Supreme Court justices. Not only rude and not the sort of person I want representing my country, but showed his dangerous disrespect for the law - when it doesn&#039;t serve his purposes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He sees himself as embodiment of the collective will. No president should speak in these terms &#8212; not in a representative republic.</i></p>
<p>I certainly agree. I have found that disturbing from Day One. Every speech he makes I find myself thinking: &#8220;Who does he think he is?&#8221;</p>
<p>Most disturbing moment in SOTU? His attack on the Supreme Court justices. Not only rude and not the sort of person I want representing my country, but showed his dangerous disrespect for the law &#8211; when it doesn&#8217;t serve his purposes.</p>
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		By: Bob from Virginia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob from Virginia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[that should have read &quot;my FAVORITE Michelle Obama fascist quote&quot;.

Life is hard if one is ADD.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that should have read &#8220;my FAVORITE Michelle Obama fascist quote&#8221;.</p>
<p>Life is hard if one is ADD.</p>
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		By: Bob from Virginia		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/02/04/obamas-philosophically-fascist-sotu-speech/#comment-144284</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob from Virginia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hux, Here is my Michelle Obama fascist quote 
&quot;Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.&quot;

Give up my cynicism? Not for gold sweetheart.
Remember that fascist motto, believe, work, obey, or something like that,  I wonder why Obmessiah failed to use that as a campaign slogan, his admirers would have bought it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hux, Here is my Michelle Obama fascist quote<br />
&#8220;Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Give up my cynicism? Not for gold sweetheart.<br />
Remember that fascist motto, believe, work, obey, or something like that,  I wonder why Obmessiah failed to use that as a campaign slogan, his admirers would have bought it.</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[expat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lincoln knew his priorities and knew when he was sacrificing something lower down on his list in order to preserve the most important. Obama wants everything and sacrifices anything depending on the wind direction. He has nothing to offer but himself, and that is not much of a foundation for our country. People are beginning to see that he offered us a mirror of our dreams and that the mirror is badly cracked. 

I don&#039;t think Americans will fall for a strong man leaning in another direction. I think they will look for something approaching a normal American who likes and respects his fellow citizens.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lincoln knew his priorities and knew when he was sacrificing something lower down on his list in order to preserve the most important. Obama wants everything and sacrifices anything depending on the wind direction. He has nothing to offer but himself, and that is not much of a foundation for our country. People are beginning to see that he offered us a mirror of our dreams and that the mirror is badly cracked. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Americans will fall for a strong man leaning in another direction. I think they will look for something approaching a normal American who likes and respects his fellow citizens.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excuse the length of this quote but I love it. Here&#039;s a wonderful, cutting, and funny &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1975051/posts&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interview with Jonah Goldberg on Hugh Hewitt two years ago&lt;/a&gt; referring to some choice quasi-fascist quotes from the Michelle Obama before the Obama campaign assigned someone to sit on her hard.&lt;blockquote&gt;HH: Well, listen, here’s some rhetoric ... from Michelle Obama. I want to know if you hear in it any [fascist] echoes. Cut number one.

MO: In 2008, we are still a nation that is too divided. We live in isolation, and because of that isolation, we fear one another. We don’t know our neighbors. We don’t talk. We believe that our pain is our own. We don’t realize that the struggles and challenges of all of us are the same. We are too isolated. And we are still a nation that is still too cynical. We look at it as them and they as opposed to us. We don’t engage, because we are still too cynical.

HH: Cut number two:

MO: Don’t get sick in this country, not here. Americans are in debt not because they live frivolously, but because someone got sick. And even with insurance, the deductibles and premiums are so high that people are still putting medication treatments on credit cards. And they can’t get out from under. I could go on and on and on, but this is how we’re living, people, in 2008. And things have gotten progressively worse throughout my lifetime, through Democratic and Republican administrations. It hasn’t gotten better for regular folks. 

JG: Yeah, no it’s an amazing thing. &lt;b&gt;And if we elect the right president, all of a sudden, I’m going to get to know my neighbor (laughing). What?&lt;/b&gt;

HH: But the continuing crisis, right?

JG: Yeah, yeah.

HH: Isn’t that part of the playbook?

JG: &lt;b&gt;Right, that we’re on this incredible, inevitable slippery slope to evil, and the only thing we can do is we need a leader who personifies the people, personifies unity, who will unify and rally the nation in his spirit, and be our savior. And that’s how Obama is running, is he’s running as a secular savior&lt;/b&gt;.

HH: Cut number three:

MO: We have lost the understanding that in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another, that we cannot measure our greatness in this society by the strongest and richest of us, but we have to measure out greatness by the least of these, that we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done. That is why I’m here, because Barack Obama is the only person in this race who understands that, that before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation.

HH: Jonah Goldberg?

JG: Mother of pearl. My God. You know, it’s amazing what it reminded me of, is Hillary Clinton’s speech at Wellesley when she graduates. She says we’re not interested in social reconstruction, we’re…no, we’re interested in human reconstruction. &lt;b&gt;She wants to create, recreate new men. The desire to create new men and fix souls, you know, that gets to the heart of this [fascist] drumbeat over the 20th Century.&lt;/b&gt;

HH: The next Michelle Obama cut:

MO: If we can’t see ourselves in one another, we will never make those sacrifices. So I am here right now, because I am married to the only person in this race who has a chance of healing this nation.

HH: Jonah?

JG: (sigh)

HH: Have you heard this before?

JG: No, I hadn’t. I hadn’t. &lt;b&gt;She’s going to, you know, I mean, my husband will express the Volksgemeinschaft (laughing)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse the length of this quote but I love it. Here&#8217;s a wonderful, cutting, and funny <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1975051/posts" rel="nofollow">interview with Jonah Goldberg on Hugh Hewitt two years ago</a> referring to some choice quasi-fascist quotes from the Michelle Obama before the Obama campaign assigned someone to sit on her hard.</p>
<blockquote><p>HH: Well, listen, here’s some rhetoric &#8230; from Michelle Obama. I want to know if you hear in it any [fascist] echoes. Cut number one.</p>
<p>MO: In 2008, we are still a nation that is too divided. We live in isolation, and because of that isolation, we fear one another. We don’t know our neighbors. We don’t talk. We believe that our pain is our own. We don’t realize that the struggles and challenges of all of us are the same. We are too isolated. And we are still a nation that is still too cynical. We look at it as them and they as opposed to us. We don’t engage, because we are still too cynical.</p>
<p>HH: Cut number two:</p>
<p>MO: Don’t get sick in this country, not here. Americans are in debt not because they live frivolously, but because someone got sick. And even with insurance, the deductibles and premiums are so high that people are still putting medication treatments on credit cards. And they can’t get out from under. I could go on and on and on, but this is how we’re living, people, in 2008. And things have gotten progressively worse throughout my lifetime, through Democratic and Republican administrations. It hasn’t gotten better for regular folks. </p>
<p>JG: Yeah, no it’s an amazing thing. <b>And if we elect the right president, all of a sudden, I’m going to get to know my neighbor (laughing). What?</b></p>
<p>HH: But the continuing crisis, right?</p>
<p>JG: Yeah, yeah.</p>
<p>HH: Isn’t that part of the playbook?</p>
<p>JG: <b>Right, that we’re on this incredible, inevitable slippery slope to evil, and the only thing we can do is we need a leader who personifies the people, personifies unity, who will unify and rally the nation in his spirit, and be our savior. And that’s how Obama is running, is he’s running as a secular savior</b>.</p>
<p>HH: Cut number three:</p>
<p>MO: We have lost the understanding that in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another, that we cannot measure our greatness in this society by the strongest and richest of us, but we have to measure out greatness by the least of these, that we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done. That is why I’m here, because Barack Obama is the only person in this race who understands that, that before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation.</p>
<p>HH: Jonah Goldberg?</p>
<p>JG: Mother of pearl. My God. You know, it’s amazing what it reminded me of, is Hillary Clinton’s speech at Wellesley when she graduates. She says we’re not interested in social reconstruction, we’re…no, we’re interested in human reconstruction. <b>She wants to create, recreate new men. The desire to create new men and fix souls, you know, that gets to the heart of this [fascist] drumbeat over the 20th Century.</b></p>
<p>HH: The next Michelle Obama cut:</p>
<p>MO: If we can’t see ourselves in one another, we will never make those sacrifices. So I am here right now, because I am married to the only person in this race who has a chance of healing this nation.</p>
<p>HH: Jonah?</p>
<p>JG: (sigh)</p>
<p>HH: Have you heard this before?</p>
<p>JG: No, I hadn’t. I hadn’t. <b>She’s going to, you know, I mean, my husband will express the Volksgemeinschaft (laughing)</b></p></blockquote>
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