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		By: ytba		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/01/27/obama-again-with-the-speech-of-his-life/#comment-143307</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;...Obama’s words no longer matter. They never did,...&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

And Cohn still can&#039;t wrap his mind around that.  

I don&#039;t know what is more painful to watch, Obama pretending he knows what he&#039;s doing, or his sycophants desperate contortions to avoid dealing with that all too obvious fact.

It&#039;s so surreal, it&#039;s almost Kafkaesque.

ASIDE - anyone else notice that Firefox spell check STILL doesn&#039;t recognize &quot;Obama&quot; as a real word?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><em>&#8220;&#8230;Obama’s words no longer matter. They never did,&#8230;&#8221;</em></b></p>
<p>And Cohn still can&#8217;t wrap his mind around that.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what is more painful to watch, Obama pretending he knows what he&#8217;s doing, or his sycophants desperate contortions to avoid dealing with that all too obvious fact.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so surreal, it&#8217;s almost Kafkaesque.</p>
<p>ASIDE &#8211; anyone else notice that Firefox spell check STILL doesn&#8217;t recognize &#8220;Obama&#8221; as a real word?</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To strike a more prosaic note, I thought of Obama as Bluto Blutarsky in &lt;i&gt;Animal House&lt;/i&gt; unsuccessfully trying to cheer up the disconsolate Flounder by smashing a beer bottle on his head. The stuff that used to work no longer does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To strike a more prosaic note, I thought of Obama as Bluto Blutarsky in <i>Animal House</i> unsuccessfully trying to cheer up the disconsolate Flounder by smashing a beer bottle on his head. The stuff that used to work no longer does.</p>
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		By: Tatyana		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2010/01/27/obama-again-with-the-speech-of-his-life/#comment-143298</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatyana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Due to the law of blog parallels, I thought of a blog &lt;a href=&quot;http://marta-ketro.livejournal.com/360423.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post&lt;/a&gt; I read recently in Russian LJ, by a writer Marta Ketro.
The subject of her post was certain type of a person in gender relationships, who &quot;lives in the moment&quot;. In that moment he says what &quot;feels right&quot;, not because he lies consciously - no, he strongly believes in what he says, &lt;i&gt;at that moment&lt;/i&gt;. She than concludes (sorry for imperfect translation):

&quot;Most importantly [for him] - not to stop, not turn to see those drowning in the swamps of [his] lies up to their necks. To continue live happily from one &quot;feels right&quot; proclamation to another. And I don&#039;t know, what could cure this person, addicted to injections of happiness, to doses of ideal perfect theoretical &quot;truth&quot; in vacuum...When not even sex with a new object is the purpose, but a revelation of sorts.
I mean, I do imagine what is it to be done - stop collecting shots of adrenaline from live people, and look for it in other things. But we all know how &quot;easy&quot; it is to quit a pleasant, easy and habitual &lt;i&gt;high&lt;/i&gt;, don&#039;t we?&quot;

I think the mechanism here is the same: addiction. He will not stop drilling for applause, and it means absolutely zilch, what he has to say to get it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due to the law of blog parallels, I thought of a blog <a href="http://marta-ketro.livejournal.com/360423.html" rel="nofollow">post</a> I read recently in Russian LJ, by a writer Marta Ketro.<br />
The subject of her post was certain type of a person in gender relationships, who &#8220;lives in the moment&#8221;. In that moment he says what &#8220;feels right&#8221;, not because he lies consciously &#8211; no, he strongly believes in what he says, <i>at that moment</i>. She than concludes (sorry for imperfect translation):</p>
<p>&#8220;Most importantly [for him] &#8211; not to stop, not turn to see those drowning in the swamps of [his] lies up to their necks. To continue live happily from one &#8220;feels right&#8221; proclamation to another. And I don&#8217;t know, what could cure this person, addicted to injections of happiness, to doses of ideal perfect theoretical &#8220;truth&#8221; in vacuum&#8230;When not even sex with a new object is the purpose, but a revelation of sorts.<br />
I mean, I do imagine what is it to be done &#8211; stop collecting shots of adrenaline from live people, and look for it in other things. But we all know how &#8220;easy&#8221; it is to quit a pleasant, easy and habitual <i>high</i>, don&#8217;t we?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the mechanism here is the same: addiction. He will not stop drilling for applause, and it means absolutely zilch, what he has to say to get it.</p>
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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OB, very clever.

Let&#039;s look at some revealing language in Cohn&#039;s essay.

&quot;Backlash.&quot;  The left sees the opposition to Obama as a snap-back reaction to all these good changes coming upon them too quickly, and reacting reflexively.  This is because they always knew that Obama was an essential leftist and what he wished to do.  They are ticked that it&#039;s not happening.  Outside that 20% of the population (Pew Survey), however, Americans - even many who voted for Obama - don&#039;t believe that&#039;s what they signed onto at all.  They are not snapping back, not lashing back, in that way.  They are standing firm and saying &quot;No, &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; is what we wanted, which you said you would do but are not.&quot;  This is not backlash, it is limit setting.

&quot;...That &quot;people&quot; will respect and embrace Obama if...&quot; No.  The people who will respect and embrace Obama for doing that are the genuine progressives, as mentioned above.  Most of the rest of the country will emphatically &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; respect him and embrace him for that.  That Cohn believes that &lt;i&gt;his&lt;/i&gt; people are &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; people, as in The Real People, The Right People is the old frightening formulation of the far left peeking its head out again.

Thread note:  Please don&#039;t offend and insult troglaman too much.  He&#039;s going to be amusing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OB, very clever.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at some revealing language in Cohn&#8217;s essay.</p>
<p>&#8220;Backlash.&#8221;  The left sees the opposition to Obama as a snap-back reaction to all these good changes coming upon them too quickly, and reacting reflexively.  This is because they always knew that Obama was an essential leftist and what he wished to do.  They are ticked that it&#8217;s not happening.  Outside that 20% of the population (Pew Survey), however, Americans &#8211; even many who voted for Obama &#8211; don&#8217;t believe that&#8217;s what they signed onto at all.  They are not snapping back, not lashing back, in that way.  They are standing firm and saying &#8220;No, <i>this</i> is what we wanted, which you said you would do but are not.&#8221;  This is not backlash, it is limit setting.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;That &#8220;people&#8221; will respect and embrace Obama if&#8230;&#8221; No.  The people who will respect and embrace Obama for doing that are the genuine progressives, as mentioned above.  Most of the rest of the country will emphatically <i>not</i> respect him and embrace him for that.  That Cohn believes that <i>his</i> people are <i>the</i> people, as in The Real People, The Right People is the old frightening formulation of the far left peeking its head out again.</p>
<p>Thread note:  Please don&#8217;t offend and insult troglaman too much.  He&#8217;s going to be amusing.</p>
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		By: foxmarks		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;the fact that the right is obstructing The One at every turn&lt;/em&gt;

Barry made this claim in his speech. Where’s the evidence that this is a fact? Or, do we have to work through the definition of “obstruct”?

Of course the righties oppose Barry’s (and Congress’s) initiatives. That’s what I expect from a deliberative process between camps that have different perspectives and philosophies. Is it somehow implied that to advocate against the majority view is obstructive?

And this claim of obstruction ignores the Congressional majority Barry had to work with for his first year. Again, yes, the righties can contest, but they could not block or prevent the lefties from doing anything.

How is the opposition-party “obstruction” Barry faces any different from any other President? It seems it must be less given the (super)majority in Congress.

Ultimately the claim of obstruction is an attack on the character of the opponents: They’re behaving badly, like petty spoilsports in time of genuine suffering.

It’s ad hominem wrapped in nationalism to advance a socialist agenda. Goebbels would be proud, but Hitler would mock Barry’s shaky delivery last night.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>the fact that the right is obstructing The One at every turn</em></p>
<p>Barry made this claim in his speech. Where’s the evidence that this is a fact? Or, do we have to work through the definition of “obstruct”?</p>
<p>Of course the righties oppose Barry’s (and Congress’s) initiatives. That’s what I expect from a deliberative process between camps that have different perspectives and philosophies. Is it somehow implied that to advocate against the majority view is obstructive?</p>
<p>And this claim of obstruction ignores the Congressional majority Barry had to work with for his first year. Again, yes, the righties can contest, but they could not block or prevent the lefties from doing anything.</p>
<p>How is the opposition-party “obstruction” Barry faces any different from any other President? It seems it must be less given the (super)majority in Congress.</p>
<p>Ultimately the claim of obstruction is an attack on the character of the opponents: They’re behaving badly, like petty spoilsports in time of genuine suffering.</p>
<p>It’s ad hominem wrapped in nationalism to advance a socialist agenda. Goebbels would be proud, but Hitler would mock Barry’s shaky delivery last night.</p>
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		By: Jamie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[troglaman, that was truly insightful. Or it would&#039;ve been, anyway, if Neo had been saying what you say she was saying.

She wasn&#039;t, of course: she was taking note that in the SOTU, President Obama was (as usual) staking out MODERATE, sometimes even CONSERVATIVE ground... which his efforts over the past year clearly showed he had no interest in occupying. The fact that he hasn&#039;t been able to advance the agenda revealed by his &lt;i&gt;actions&lt;/i&gt; (not his words!) is all to the good. 

The President campaigned in large part as a moderate - gaining huge swathes of &quot;independent&quot; voters on the strength of his words; please remember that the majority of Americans consider themselves to be relatively fiscally conservative -  and quickly revealed himself to be something very different indeed. (For some of us, his meager record had already clarified this point.) And this speech seems to follow the same pattern: President Obama says &quot;Go nukes! Let&#039;s drill offshore! Clean coal!&quot; and domestic-energy buffs cheer (I know; my husband is one), but we&#039;ll see whether his administration either introduces or backs any effort to bring these words to fruition. You can perhaps forgive us for being skeptical.

But since you&#039;re on the other side, apparently, your ends would be better met by his being, again, a lying liar who lies. (If I&#039;ve misread your leanings, I apologize.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>troglaman, that was truly insightful. Or it would&#8217;ve been, anyway, if Neo had been saying what you say she was saying.</p>
<p>She wasn&#8217;t, of course: she was taking note that in the SOTU, President Obama was (as usual) staking out MODERATE, sometimes even CONSERVATIVE ground&#8230; which his efforts over the past year clearly showed he had no interest in occupying. The fact that he hasn&#8217;t been able to advance the agenda revealed by his <i>actions</i> (not his words!) is all to the good. </p>
<p>The President campaigned in large part as a moderate &#8211; gaining huge swathes of &#8220;independent&#8221; voters on the strength of his words; please remember that the majority of Americans consider themselves to be relatively fiscally conservative &#8211;  and quickly revealed himself to be something very different indeed. (For some of us, his meager record had already clarified this point.) And this speech seems to follow the same pattern: President Obama says &#8220;Go nukes! Let&#8217;s drill offshore! Clean coal!&#8221; and domestic-energy buffs cheer (I know; my husband is one), but we&#8217;ll see whether his administration either introduces or backs any effort to bring these words to fruition. You can perhaps forgive us for being skeptical.</p>
<p>But since you&#8217;re on the other side, apparently, your ends would be better met by his being, again, a lying liar who lies. (If I&#8217;ve misread your leanings, I apologize.)</p>
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		By: ahem		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ahem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Put a fork in him; he&#039;s done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put a fork in him; he&#8217;s done.</p>
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		By: troglaman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[troglaman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Other times I think it’s a little simpler, and that he’s as sunk in denial as your average alcoholic, unable to admit to himself any more where the line is drawn between truth and wishful thinking.&quot;  Mrswhatsit

I know.  Deja Vu.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Other times I think it’s a little simpler, and that he’s as sunk in denial as your average alcoholic, unable to admit to himself any more where the line is drawn between truth and wishful thinking.&#8221;  Mrswhatsit</p>
<p>I know.  Deja Vu.</p>
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		By: troglaman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[troglaman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;What Cohn seems to not understand is the fact that Obama’s words no longer matter.&quot;  Neo

What would&#039;ve been a more honest statement would&#039;ve been that they don&#039;t matter to you.

&quot;Now we are only too familiar with the profound disconnect between the two.&quot;  Neo

What&#039;s rather astounding about what you&#039;re saying Neo, is what you don&#039;t acknowledge - the fact that the right is obstructing The One at every turn.  And the fact he can&#039;t overcome it is somehow his fault, not the fault of the right.

The hypocrisy here is that Neo, in an over-under-sideways-down sort of way, implies Obama&#039;s fighting the good fight.  He says, &quot;(Obama&#039;s words) worked when most of the American public was unfamiliar with his actions. Now we are only too familiar with the profound disconnect between the two.&quot;

If Obama had acted, he would&#039;ve passed health care reform, regulated banks, regulated lobbyists, regulated Wall Street, funded green energy projects, repealed Bush tax cuts, funded infrastructure, funded education, repealed DADT, legislated gay marriage, etc.

This is what Neo&#039;s critical about - the fact Obama didn&#039;t get this agenda accomplished...in 12 months.  And, at the same time, Neo&#039;s ideological com padres, in lock step, oppose everything he does.  Everything.

Neo&#039;s playing both sides of the street.  And any of you who don&#039;t get that are dumbasses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What Cohn seems to not understand is the fact that Obama’s words no longer matter.&#8221;  Neo</p>
<p>What would&#8217;ve been a more honest statement would&#8217;ve been that they don&#8217;t matter to you.</p>
<p>&#8220;Now we are only too familiar with the profound disconnect between the two.&#8221;  Neo</p>
<p>What&#8217;s rather astounding about what you&#8217;re saying Neo, is what you don&#8217;t acknowledge &#8211; the fact that the right is obstructing The One at every turn.  And the fact he can&#8217;t overcome it is somehow his fault, not the fault of the right.</p>
<p>The hypocrisy here is that Neo, in an over-under-sideways-down sort of way, implies Obama&#8217;s fighting the good fight.  He says, &#8220;(Obama&#8217;s words) worked when most of the American public was unfamiliar with his actions. Now we are only too familiar with the profound disconnect between the two.&#8221;</p>
<p>If Obama had acted, he would&#8217;ve passed health care reform, regulated banks, regulated lobbyists, regulated Wall Street, funded green energy projects, repealed Bush tax cuts, funded infrastructure, funded education, repealed DADT, legislated gay marriage, etc.</p>
<p>This is what Neo&#8217;s critical about &#8211; the fact Obama didn&#8217;t get this agenda accomplished&#8230;in 12 months.  And, at the same time, Neo&#8217;s ideological com padres, in lock step, oppose everything he does.  Everything.</p>
<p>Neo&#8217;s playing both sides of the street.  And any of you who don&#8217;t get that are dumbasses.</p>
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		By: betsybounds		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[betsybounds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And God said, &quot;Let there be light.&quot;  And there was light.

And God made man in His own image. . . .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And God said, &#8220;Let there be light.&#8221;  And there was light.</p>
<p>And God made man in His own image. . . .</p>
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