http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/human-rights/Freedom-Around-the-World-Declines-for-4th-Consecutive-Year-81229277.html

This is why the Baltic People will Never Forget the Russians: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIO6zzP-yb8&feature=related [red terror and the amber coast. : soviet occupation and lituanian resistance – 1939-1993] (for those that dont know, amber washes up on the baltic beaches… you can walk along them and pick up such. where do you think the amber came for the famous amber room that disappeared?)

EXPERIENCE IS WHAT YOU THINK YOU HAVE TILL YOU GET SOME!!!!

when i see the old woman talk i cry…she sounds like my great grandmother in a voice i havent heard in so long… to be from india and be afraid of a tiger is not paranoia… but to a westener who doesnt know the beast, all that caution seems like paranoia. no? too bad grizzly man didnt have that kind of ‘paranoia’, eh?

her story is COMMON… you can go to johns day and listen to the old men…listen.. carefully… she is so old, and yet, she did what my family did. relive it over and over and over and cry and collapse from the memory. in our american lives we cant imagine that… its INCONCEIVABLE, and so they have the advantage…

remember the story is not about germans…it was about russians, but you cant tell the difference in the story from the scenes in shindlers list and others. they were no different! except that they won and could control the message till their new victims were ready today… unlike the germans who didnt get to write about themselves and separate themselves from their own truth. maybe one day, i will list the kinds of acceptable tortures to the left that the spetsnaz used.

Lithuanians Against the Red Army 1944-196: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJUbWhNQTHs&NR=1

Crimes of the Red Army: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4guAZMuwGU&feature=related

In remembrance of the Red Army: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-bBXNq5nRY&feature=fvw

i dare you all to watch and learn ….i will bet that most had no idea at all…

[edited for length by neo-neocon]

It is hard to understand or describe what both latvian divisions achieved in the face of overwhelming russian odds.

Historian and lecturer of us armed forces general and staff college Colonel Whitton.

free book: THE LATVIAN LEGION
home.mira.net/~vanagi/AV/Latvian_Legion.pdf

Latvians must publicly defend themselves by demonstrating what level heads and honest minds in the West have thoughtfully concluded – which is that there was no wrongdoing found in the ranks of the Latvian Legion. This small sampling of documents proves that the Latvian resolve and Latvian spirit has not been broken even after surviving the dark period of Russian domination. This has been understood and openly admitted by Western politicians, historians and military personnel. That in turn encourages Latvian national consciousness to grow so that the Latvian nation can see itself as honorable in the eyes of the free-thinking world.
That is the reason for this publication.

In Liepaja (the second largest city in Latvia at that time -V.L.) a few hours before the Russian units left the city the GPU (the Russian cheka) carried out some terrifying acts. Right after the start of the war, many Latvians were arrested, mostly former Latvian army officers. Some were deported but others were shot on the spot. A German officer on the street was attracted by calls for help from
some nearby basement. The German soldiers headed towards the basement where they had to break
down several heavily fortified doors. In the first room they discovered four corpses – three men and
one woman. After breaking down the second door the German soldiers arrived to see the one who
was calling for help, an injured Latvian officer. In the third room lay two more heavily injured
Latvian officers among a pile of several terribly mutilated corpses.

It needs to be emphasized that no other country supported Latvia’s national partisans. The only support they received was from the local inhabitants. That’s why we can confidently call them national partisans in the full meaning of the term. As already mentioned in this text there are no non-Latvian observers who have not called the Latvian Legionnaires patriots and nationalists who fought for their country’s freedom. The fight for Latvia’s freedom continued.

REAL FREEDOM FIGHTERS

not poseurs with help from other states

on par with the foudning fathers of the US with similar dreams

“The Legionnaires were fighting not because they were Nazis but because there
was no other alternative,” deputy Mihael Galer speaking in committee, expressed the
understanding of the Legion’s “tragic situation”, because “they were not fighting for Germany but for Latvia’s independence.”

and i leave this last one for huxley and others
my family and the people believed that they would eventually over run other coutnries once they lost theirs. unlike the people in the US they KNEW the enemy and had NO illusions about BOTH of them!!!

The English fact-finding report states
“Latvians know that a time will come when the Bolsheviks will once again overrun their land, and that this time needs to be delayed as long as possible”. A later British fact finding mission of July 5, 1943 confirmed this, stating that all Latvians were resolutely against both the Germans and the Russians. Therefore in 1946 the British Foreign Ministry was already well informed about what the words Latvian SS Legion meant, and why they were fighting against the Soviet armed forces.

and this was why my family wanted me to learn the history, the truth…

one day… they feared…

i too would have to deal with the reality

[even more so when they saw what america was doing to itself]

– The Russian occupation with its impending horrors loomed as inevitable and threatened much worse
than the German indifference to their independence. So these three SS Divisions voluntarily agreed to keep on fighting. All three divisions suffered heavy casualties and those who survived were sentenced to hard labour in Russia. Keegan underlines:
“Most of the east European SS was riff-raff with the exception of the Latvian and Estonian divisions, which were fighting in the defence of their own homelands.”3>4

its so hard to sit here and listen to people who really dont care but think they do.

i already knew these games… why? because my family fled that system that they were forced to be a key part of, and they knew that the reasonable would prevent them doing here what the reasonable prevented them from elswhere.

if you want your kid to survive in a future that may include communism and its system of promotion, you would teach your kid how it works..

no?

think on that for a bit…

given that my family were part of the rfle corps that put lenin and stalin in power, and then later were captains and majors in the conscripted troops of the Latvian Army Corps, they were not bit players no the fring. they were betrayed twice and three times, well… that would be shame on me, no?

VI SS Army Corps (latvian) or VI. SS-Freiwilligen-Armeekorps (lettisches) (German) was a unit of the Waffen SS during World War II. It was formed in October 1943, to command the Latvian Waffen SS divisions. It fought in the northern sector of the Eastern Front as part of the 18th Army. They were part of the Army Group North until early 1945, when it was subordinated to Army Group Kurland. In October 1944, they were encircled by the Red Army offensives and spent the remainder of the war in the Courland Pocket, until they surrendered to the Red Army at end of the war.[

these are the people that taught me the game as it played by the leaders, not as the nothings on the bottom pretend to play.

and why did they know the game?

because of this:
It was Adolf Hitler’s will that the Waffen-SS never be integrated into the army: it was to remain the armed wing of the Party and to become an elite police force once the war was over.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen_SS

After the war at the Nuremberg Trials, the Waffen-SS was condemned as a criminal organisation due to its essential connection to the Nazi Party and its involvement in war crimes. Waffen-SS veterans were denied many of the rights afforded to veterans who had served in the Heer (army), Luftwaffe (air force) or Kriegsmarine (navy). The exception made was for Waffen-SS conscripts sworn in after 1943, who were exempted due to their involuntary servitude.
In the 1950s and 1960s Waffen-SS veteran groups successfully fought numerous legal battles in West Germany to overturn the Nuremberg ruling and win pension rights for their members.

and those of the exception were my family…
technically my dad is supposed to get his fathers pension, we want nothing of it. we dont want blood money to make us feel better about what we were FORCED to do by a state we never wanted.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS_foreign_volunteers_and_conscripts

Exceptionally in Estonia and Latvia, the Waffen-SS troops were not volunteers but conscripts which the German authorities had denied their wish to form national military units allied to Germany. Under such circumstances, these had either volunteered to the Wehrmacht and had later been forced into the Waffen-SS or were illegally conscripted by general mobilisations. In an April 13, 1950 message from the U.S. High Commission in Germany (HICOG), signed by General Frank McCloy to the Secretary of State, clarified the US position on the “Baltic Legions”: they were not to be seen as “movements”, “volunteer”, or “SS”. In short, they were not given the training, indoctrination, and induction normally given to SS members. Subsequently the US Displaced Persons Commission in September 1950 declared that

The governments of the Baltic states consider these men as freedom fighters.

you probably have no relationship to the founding fathers of the US… even if you did, it is 8-10 generations ago.

i am the grandson of such freedom fighters

i grew up at the knee of such people, and their patriotism. they didnt get the indoctrination, so they didnt get reformed to believe!!!

that left them to understand it as a free person, waht it meant, what its ends are, and what the truth is.

your george washington and such is a far away person

mine is a grandfather i never met who died to save my family and the other conscripted officers that taught me how and what the truth was.

the truth?

its a big archaic ball of bs which facilitates the move to a state structure of control for those who get the game and are willing to play darwin to the hilt, as all life.

Latvian Legion: a brief explanation

of course my family and their EXPERIENCE is for naught… why? becuse the people who IMAGINE, IMAGINE they know more.

i would suggest watching the film

and learn history that you never knew

(occam did and was surprised. you would be too)

The Democrats have been corrupt and willing to steal elections for a very long time (probably dating back to Andrew Jackson), but despite that I don’t think they can do more than steal a very close run thing. So I agree with Huxley.

One thankfully brief course was to tell us what was acceptable, and to root out sexism and discrimination, particularly against women, and was run by an absolutely certifiable, psycho, harpy “contractor,” who should have taught her little class in a skin tight black leather outfit that came with a whip, preferably a “cat’o nine tails” with those little metal tips on the ends, to do more damage; “Ilsa, the Bitch of Belsen” had nothing on this woman. I was surprised that she didn’t have a demo after lunch, where she barged in and raided some poor schmuck’s office, looking for some sexist art on the walls–as she bragged she had done in the past, and was one of the high points of her career to date, or that she hadn’t had a stake set up in the courtyard, so she could flog a sexist or even watch one burn, for I suspected from her comments and attitude, that this was her fondest wish.

The other mandatory course–several days long, and a week long for the extremely unlucky–was to bring us together to “brainstorm”–boy, management sure liked the term “brainstorm,” although I think a more accurate term might have been “shitstorm,”–and to have us workers–us benighted, lesser beings–open up about our criticisms of management, to “air our grievances,” and to work through a process of reformation and rebirth, to throw off cynicism, to come to a new “consensus” about, and to have greater enthusiasm for our work, to reorient our ways of thinking about, and to have a new appreciation for our organization, and our jobs.

The contractors–only jus there to “facilitate” don’t ya know–really liked complex–and confusing–charts and diagrams, page after page of them, and compiling lengthy lists of our suggestions and putting them up on the walls–but I noticed that while we “workers” might have suggested one thing, these suggestions, as written by the contractor “facilitator,” were either written on paper and then were skipped over and ignored going forward, or were changed when the facilitators wrote them up, so that they would lead us toward the “consensus,” the conclusions and solutions that management wanted.

This was transparent and excruciating nonsense, a watered down version of the “criticism and self-criticism” sessions so beloved by the Chinese for use in their “reeducation i.e concentration–camps, and according to the grapevine, extraordinarily expensive to boot, not to mention the cost of idling several hundred highly paid employees for a week. I often thought that, as in the military, each one of the attendees should have been given a medal, with various little plaques like the kind you got for various levels of marksmanship, oblong campaign badges we could add like little “ladders,” to show that we were veterans of the “sexism” or the “new way of thinking, enthusiasm, and new consensus” campaign, or others of that ilk, that we endured them, and that we survived to go on.

I find myself in agreement with you more rather than less.

Though… I do want to know what the electorate would do differently than “motor voter” if all benefit offices registered voters …

We kind of “accepted” motor voter. Would we accept the Democrat Forever plan of registering all beneficiaries?

this is what a person who is NOT a democrat and a socialist thinks… themoderatevoice.com/59182/brown-coakley-and-a-confession/

heck i just read someone in the daily news actually state that higher salaries in the public sector should be lauded by the private sector as they raise the salaries of the private sector workers…

[and yet, they cant formulate where the salaries for the public sector comes from and how that, that, negates their whole point. something those they are asking to consider know better than they do!]

Germany under hitler had one party rule,,,his never taken title being Fé¼hrerprinzip–translated, leader, guide, etc..

Russia under Lenin was one party.. his title? Chairman of the Council of People’s Commissar [you know the equivalent of american czars]…then there was stalin, malenkov, khruschev, brezhnev, kosygin, mikoyan, adropov, chernenko..all lead under one party state…

in china the first generation of leaders created one party government (mao, enlai, de, shaoqi, yn, dehuai, then baio, and the gang of four)
the second generation also had one party government (Xioping, yn, yaobang, ziyang, guofeng, jianying). what did the third generation make? of course, one party government (Zemin, peng, rongji, shi, ruihuan – still educated by soviets). and the fourth (current generation) what did or do they have? one party government under jintao, bangguo, jaibao, qunglin, quinghong, and yi…

and what hux and others dont get, is that the actual leader is a transitory thing. but the despotism and dynasty go on after all, no one is immortal, and so the new way is group despotism in dynasty..

china will get its fifth generation in 2012 (where many many are saying the world may be in a new world war – and no, not because of the predictions of ancient calanders – because peoples use such landmarks to their advantage). want to guess if they will make a one party system? (in this case they have moved to fascism, as communism doesnt work. but fascism is still despotic and controlled there is just more wealth for them to work) after that its 2022 before the party changes. which would mean that the people coming into power then would have been born in the 1960s.

and this is a fundemental thing we dont get. whiel we have ejected all our experienced leaders from the war era…. those people are still serving in russia and china in the shadoes if not the leaders.

cuba, one party rulevenezuela, soon to have one party rule if not already…vietnam, cambodia, north korea…

by the way… england before the beheading of a king, was one party. so was the russian empire, and the turkish empire, and the huns. (you can read a letter from attilas heir ordering the church to come visit and bow to him).

lets list out ALL the nations that were considered free in history. ok, i will leave that to you… but you will not find more than about 30… in 10,000 years of mankinds history, and thousands of cultures and nations over that period…only about 30 offered real freedom

today.. NONE do… all of them are socialist and state controlled to a degree or other, none of them are free anymore. freedom is about to be relegated to the dust bin of history, never to come back (since they control history all over the glob and will erase it). the goal? to create social creationism. that each, like in feudal japan, was owned by their elite, whose positions were semi permanent by birth. they have acheived what all rulers want. a place to rule from and secruity for their dynasty over all other men (especially the reasonable). that is, by convincing you that social creationism (your born into yoru lot which cant change) is enlightened, they get to play social darwin unopposed… (rather than ahve to scramble against all those smart people who are more reasonable, tempered, and smarter).

all i have time for.

IE. he has perfect knowlege of the facts and the ends and the outcomes, otherwise, he cant assert paranoia. Paranoia – baseless or excessive suspicion of the motives of others…Huxely refuses to accept FACTS that will point to nefarious ends and give them proper weight. he will skew results to ALWAYS end up on the side of being reasonable. its not a real intelligent position, but its a form of cargo cult intelligentsia hedging of thigns to always seem like being on the correct side.

in order for him to establish his illusion of knowing, superiority, etc.. he has to estblish a heirarchy of power. since there is no real power here that he can grab, he has to then set the stage within mental competency. this is just a more polished version of the lefts “they must be crazy or else they would agree with me”.

this is a form of collectivist thinking… and its point is to actually work for the despot, since it prevents any and all action. its answer is always do nothing, wait and see, never move until its so sure. then pretend you knew it all along by relfecting on some doubt statement you made in the past.

I agree that the Democrats are essentially hoping to turn America into a political machine like Chicago.

false agreement – betsys and my position and many others is that they are going to go way past that since the people all over will not tolerate what is tolerated in chicago because people move away. when national, they cant move, and so they will not accept that, and so the dems have to go way past that.
your agreement doesnt agree with the people your talking to on that point,. ergo – false agreement.

But “Democrats Forever” as neo puts it, as though we are seeing a well-orchestrated plan to take over the country, strikes me as a foolish and fearful overstatement.

contradictory answer that doesnt take a position. he agrees that we are seeing a well orchestrated plan (that is succeeding) to take over the country. however, he refuses to allow the conclusion. that is, he will not accept any conclusion he refuses to accept. no matter what the data or facts say.

that sentence proves that point… ie, he will just squat on that same answer, and then participate by never taking any other position. eventually the 4th reich will fall and he will be right…

That’s still not the same as “Democrats Forever” and the next step is a shooting Civil War. As far as I’m concerned, that’s fever swamp talk and I left the Left in part to get away from that kind of emotional extremism.

and there is your answer. he refuses to believe that there are any conditions in the world where “emotional extremism” isnt warranted. he is using a schema to judge validty rather than calculating the actual facts. his schema says “if it sounds extreme, then it must be false”.

the problem is that there are no examples of minimal government by the people (the ‘right) that has been despotic, and there are tons of examples of left, progressive, socialist, communist, etc states that ARE That way.

the left worried about a take over from the right, is only the left worried that other leftists of less extreme will snatch their prize by being more REASONABLE as a choice.

this is what confounds them in makeing communism. the answer is always why go so far, why not stop in fascistic control? its funny that lex points out the “if someone said it two years ago”… because he is noticing that the position being held is false.

that there is one place that such a person is unreasonable!!! and thats where the others are assumng that they are playing honestly in the debate and that there can be a resoltiuoni to a point other than what the fixed person wants.

this has happened to me many times. now i offer a point before i even start

will you change your mind if my side of the debate makes the case… they usually say yes, then later they refuse.. why? because they were entering the discussion in bad faith. they were betting that they would be right, and they would ‘win’. but as in this case, they are wrong, and they lose, and their complete incinserity is now known!!!! as they do not change their position ever. it was never reached by reason, but as stated by you, an out of hand judgement based on the extremity of the position as judged by your feelings of abhorence.

perfect rousseau masquerading as enlightenment…that is feelings over logic presented as logic over feelings.

as i said a long time ago.. my granfather warned me of such people. why? because they will prevent you from acting in your own interest and surviving. they damn the whole group that follows them to the same end.

in germany, those that left early, had it easy. those that were more reasonable and didnt think her hitler was serious about his stated goals (like today with the left. we cant really believe that they want to exterminate 1/3, even though that was part of the process designed by stalin to insure that power once obtained was never lost). they waited… even when hitler was showing through disparate impact… ie, jews represented X part of the population but owned stores, banks, and such disproportionately from the others. (same thing the feminists do to men, the blacks apply to other races, etc!!!!) this gets the population angry at what they are being told are oppressors and cheaters. but the reasonable would not oppose having more trust in their fellow man than is warranted.

[edited for length by neo-neocon]

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/13/video-coakley-campaign-shoves-weekly-standard-reporter/