Comments on: That super-majority to repeal health care: “our rules mean nothing” https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/ A blog about political change, among other things Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:03:40 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Baklava https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138158 Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:03:40 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138158 http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/22/sebelius-everyone-will-pay-into-abortion-coverage-fund/

The link says it all

]]> By: J.L. https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138150 Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:10:17 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138150 In recent discussions on this blog, I’ve been arguing against the notion that a “coup” is imminent, or that totalitarianism is about to dscend on the U.S.. I still hold to that. (The discussions on Volokh seem to suggest this provision is either unconstitutional or rescindable, the language notwithstanding.)

Nevertheless, I am taking to heart Neo’s previous comment to the effect that:


Remember that what the Nazis appeared to be when they came to power is not what they were ten years later. The tyranny they so clearly implemented grew and built over time. Nor did they come to power through a coup. Everything Hitler when he first to come to power was strictly legal . . . Again, don’t get me wrong–I do not see Obama as Hitler. I see him much more as a Chavez wannabee, a smoother and seemingly more erudite (although I believe Obama’s erudition is merely a veneer) version.

Here is evidence to that point: Obama’s Dems attempting to entrench the power of one of their beareaucratic creations.

Point well taken, Neo. Point well taken.

]]> By: grackle https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138142 Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:34:53 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138142 There’s a petition by Congressman John Fleming of Louisiana’s 4rth District to force members of Congress to enroll themselves in any health care plan they vote for. Make them have to live under what they impose on the nation. Anyone can sign the petition. Link below:

http://tinyurl.com/m6v2ph

]]> By: Tim P https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138133 Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:12:27 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138133 Perhaps if Congress’s gold plated healthcare coverage (paid for by us) is repealed and that they have to look to the same insurance/Medicare coverages that the rest of us have to settle for. Then we might see some real reform.

If only…

]]> By: Perfected democrat https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138120 Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:10:34 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138120 The MSM are the preeminent hypocrites in this Republic today; if this sort of thing was being orchestrated by the Republicans and George Bush, they would be all over it. Hypocrites!

]]> By: Perfected democrat https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138118 Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:04:06 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138118 Where is the MSM? This incident illustrates the blatant betrayal and lack of respect for somewhere in excess of 50% of Americans, a constituancy which deserves significantly more consideration than these kinds of deceptions exemplify. The MSM, by their complicit silence, are aiding and abetting the most insidious kind of dishonesty for whatever personal reasons these people have one can’t imagine. The MSM have abdicated their fiduciary responsibility to the nation in favor of shilling for the radical left-wing Democratic Party. It’s getting more personal everyday…

]]> By: SAB https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138107 Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:23:04 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138107 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congress_party_switch

This guy deserves an “Attaboy”!

]]> By: DirtyJobsGUy https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138105 Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:16:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138105 As I understand it each convocation of the houses adopts it’s own set of rules. Usually they accept last years set, but I don’t think anything really binds a future congress to an old ones rules.

What these seem to be are laying a marker in the sand requiring the new session to take time out and strike that provision rather than simply accept the prior rules.

]]> By: betsybounds https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138099 Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:32:41 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138099 On hopes not, one hopes we’ll fight, but still, it’s impossible not to be a bit kicked over by all this.

Adieu, l’ancien regime? . . .

]]> By: Tim P https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138097 Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:31:20 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/22/that-super-majority-to-repeal-health-care-our-rules-mean-nothing/#comment-138097

Here is the transcript of the exchange between Jim DeMint and the Senate President:

DEMINT: But, Mr. President, as the chair has confirmed, Rule 22, paragraph 2, of the standing rules of the Senate, states that on a measure or motion to amend the Senate rules, the necessary affirmative vote shall be two-thirds of the senators present and voting. Let me go to the bill before us, because buried deep within the over 2,000 pages of this bill, we find a rather substantial change to the standing rules of the Senate. It is section 3403 and it begins on page 1,000 of the Reid substitute. . . . These provisions not only amend certain rules, they waive certain rules and create entirely new rules out of whole cloth.”

The Senate President disagreed and said it was a change in procedure, not a change in rules, therefore the Senate precedent that a two-thirds vote is required to change the rules of the Senate does not apply.

Senator DeMint responded:

DEMINT: and so the language you see in this bill that specifically refers to a change in a rule is not a rule change, it’s a procedure change?

THE PRESIDING OFFICER: that is correct.

DEMINT: then i guess our rules mean nothing, do they, if they can re define them. thank you. and i do yield back.

THE PRESIDING OFFICER: the senate stands adjourned until 7:00 a.m. tomorrow.

So there you have it, Up is down, black is white and all animals are equal, though some may be more equal than others.
Ten years or so ago, some member of the house, a republican, said that there are democrats and there are Americans. He was roundly excoriated, as he deserved to be, by all sides. Today, I’m no longer so sure he wasn’t just ahead of the curve.
Where’s the outrage??

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