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		By: Tim P		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/21/the-state-of-health-care-reform-today/#comment-138094</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This will most surely be challenged as unconstitutional.

A Congress today cannot have more power than the Congresses that follow. Reid&#039;s crafting of such language does precisely that. 

Why imagine if this congress passed a law that made it impossible for any future Congress to ammend or repeal say healthcare legislation! That is what happens in third world dictatorships and banana republics. Oh wait!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will most surely be challenged as unconstitutional.</p>
<p>A Congress today cannot have more power than the Congresses that follow. Reid&#8217;s crafting of such language does precisely that. </p>
<p>Why imagine if this congress passed a law that made it impossible for any future Congress to ammend or repeal say healthcare legislation! That is what happens in third world dictatorships and banana republics. Oh wait!!</p>
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		By: betsybounds		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/21/the-state-of-health-care-reform-today/#comment-138086</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[betsybounds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[WTF is going on???  

Huxley? Jimmy J.?  About that Constitution. . . .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF is going on???  </p>
<p>Huxley? Jimmy J.?  About that Constitution. . . .</p>
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		By: betsybounds		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/21/the-state-of-health-care-reform-today/#comment-138085</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[betsybounds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, Lord.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/12/21/we-are-no-longer-a-nation-of-laws-senate-sets-up-requirement-for-super-majority-to-ever-repeal-obamacare/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Lord.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/12/21/we-are-no-longer-a-nation-of-laws-senate-sets-up-requirement-for-super-majority-to-ever-repeal-obamacare/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/12/21/we-are-no-longer-a-nation-of-laws-senate-sets-up-requirement-for-super-majority-to-ever-repeal-obamacare/</a></p>
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		By: Wolla Dalbo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/21/the-state-of-health-care-reform-today/#comment-138080</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolla Dalbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thalpy--yes, anything can be undone, if you have the votes, and the Senate Parliamentarian rules in your favor--as he did this time by allowing Harry Read to illegally change fundamental Senate rules using language in this legislation.  Yes, most anything can be undone, if you can get the Supreme Court to take your case, and, then,  rule in your favor.  

But, what happens if you can&#039;t get the votes, or the Parliamentarian&#039;s ruling, or a Supreme Court decision for several years and, by the time you win, businesses have been disbanded or moved on, and ways of doing things have been abandoned or changed, many disgusted, angry doctors have left medicine and retired, hospitals shut down, health care insurers abandoned the market, billions of dollars in taxes have already been collected, and--let us not forget--thousands of people are dead before their time due to this bill?  

Dead is dead but, how to reanimate and reconstitute businesses, organizations, ways of doing things, to put things back as they were?

I am sure that those in far Left think tanks who really wrote these bills made every effort to insure that, by the time any or all of these bills are repealed, or ruled unconstitutional, it will be too late to go back to the &quot;status quo ante,&quot; and parts, the most important parts of their objectives, will have been achieved.  

So, for instance, what about the provisions of these bills that give the Federal government access to all of your medical and financial records, and your bank account, all under the guise of providing you with better medical care, and a convenient way to pay your health care premiums electronically?  

Say, that by the time the bill or major aspects of it are repealed, these mechanisms are already in place and working, and have replaced the former systems and methods.  Are they going to be discarded if the old mechanisms are gone, and a case can be made that they do provide convenience and efficiency?

If not, then the government has just gotten a tremendous grip-- that it did not have up until this bill--on key aspects of your life and history, and more power and control over you--a field for endless mischief.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thalpy&#8211;yes, anything can be undone, if you have the votes, and the Senate Parliamentarian rules in your favor&#8211;as he did this time by allowing Harry Read to illegally change fundamental Senate rules using language in this legislation.  Yes, most anything can be undone, if you can get the Supreme Court to take your case, and, then,  rule in your favor.  </p>
<p>But, what happens if you can&#8217;t get the votes, or the Parliamentarian&#8217;s ruling, or a Supreme Court decision for several years and, by the time you win, businesses have been disbanded or moved on, and ways of doing things have been abandoned or changed, many disgusted, angry doctors have left medicine and retired, hospitals shut down, health care insurers abandoned the market, billions of dollars in taxes have already been collected, and&#8211;let us not forget&#8211;thousands of people are dead before their time due to this bill?  </p>
<p>Dead is dead but, how to reanimate and reconstitute businesses, organizations, ways of doing things, to put things back as they were?</p>
<p>I am sure that those in far Left think tanks who really wrote these bills made every effort to insure that, by the time any or all of these bills are repealed, or ruled unconstitutional, it will be too late to go back to the &#8220;status quo ante,&#8221; and parts, the most important parts of their objectives, will have been achieved.  </p>
<p>So, for instance, what about the provisions of these bills that give the Federal government access to all of your medical and financial records, and your bank account, all under the guise of providing you with better medical care, and a convenient way to pay your health care premiums electronically?  </p>
<p>Say, that by the time the bill or major aspects of it are repealed, these mechanisms are already in place and working, and have replaced the former systems and methods.  Are they going to be discarded if the old mechanisms are gone, and a case can be made that they do provide convenience and efficiency?</p>
<p>If not, then the government has just gotten a tremendous grip&#8211; that it did not have up until this bill&#8211;on key aspects of your life and history, and more power and control over you&#8211;a field for endless mischief.</p>
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		By: J.L.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.L.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Again, if the republicans are smart (a long shot, I know), they should make repealing this bill a major campaign issue. 
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&lt;i&gt;I believe Obama can elicit as much or more rage than Bush. The fear that what Obama and Congress have done, can’t be undone is unfounded. Anything can be undone-anything.
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I may be an eternal optimist here, but I think both of these statements are very true. I hope that the helath care deform can be derailed before the 2010 elections. But if not, I urge all who oppose this bill to remember the &lt;a href=&quot;http://commonamericanjournal.com/?p=5915&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  1989 Catastrphic Health Care Act &lt;/a&gt; which was passed with much fanfare. But then it produced such a backlash that a shaken Congress immediately repealed it. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/19/feehery.health.care.catastrophe/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Here&#039;s a good comparison of the situation in 1989 as opposed to today. &lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
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<i>Again, if the republicans are smart (a long shot, I know), they should make repealing this bill a major campaign issue.<br />
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<i>I believe Obama can elicit as much or more rage than Bush. The fear that what Obama and Congress have done, can’t be undone is unfounded. Anything can be undone-anything.<br />
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<p>I may be an eternal optimist here, but I think both of these statements are very true. I hope that the helath care deform can be derailed before the 2010 elections. But if not, I urge all who oppose this bill to remember the <a href="http://commonamericanjournal.com/?p=5915" rel="nofollow">  1989 Catastrphic Health Care Act </a> which was passed with much fanfare. But then it produced such a backlash that a shaken Congress immediately repealed it. </p>
<p><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/19/feehery.health.care.catastrophe/index.html" rel="nofollow"> Here&#8217;s a good comparison of the situation in 1989 as opposed to today. </a></p>
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		By: Thalpy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/21/the-state-of-health-care-reform-today/#comment-138078</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thalpy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rickl may be right because I hate what Obama and his Loons are doing to our country. I believe Obama can elicit as much or more rage than Bush. The fear that what Obama and Congress have done, can&#039;t be undone is unfounded. Anything can be undone-anything.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rickl may be right because I hate what Obama and his Loons are doing to our country. I believe Obama can elicit as much or more rage than Bush. The fear that what Obama and Congress have done, can&#8217;t be undone is unfounded. Anything can be undone-anything.</p>
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		By: Mrs Whatsit		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/21/the-state-of-health-care-reform-today/#comment-138077</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mrs Whatsit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whoa.  Obama&#039;s Rasmussen approval rating hit -21 today.  The number of voters who Strongly Disapprove hit 46%.  

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa.  Obama&#8217;s Rasmussen approval rating hit -21 today.  The number of voters who Strongly Disapprove hit 46%.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll</a></p>
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		By: ethos		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/21/the-state-of-health-care-reform-today/#comment-138076</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ethos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The democrats are bombarding the airways with pro-ObamaCare advertisements.

The sheeple will soon believe.

2700 pages and two talking points.  Never mind the tax-payer funded part...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The democrats are bombarding the airways with pro-ObamaCare advertisements.</p>
<p>The sheeple will soon believe.</p>
<p>2700 pages and two talking points.  Never mind the tax-payer funded part&#8230;</p>
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		By: Wolla Dalbo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/21/the-state-of-health-care-reform-today/#comment-138075</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolla Dalbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tim P--Here is a more datailed analysis that contains the actual language in the bill  (http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/12/21/we-are-no-longer-a-nation-of-laws-senate-sets-up-requirement-for-super-majority-to-ever-repeal-obamacare/)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim P&#8211;Here is a more datailed analysis that contains the actual language in the bill  (<a href="http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/12/21/we-are-no-longer-a-nation-of-laws-senate-sets-up-requirement-for-super-majority-to-ever-repeal-obamacare/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/12/21/we-are-no-longer-a-nation-of-laws-senate-sets-up-requirement-for-super-majority-to-ever-repeal-obamacare/</a>)</p>
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		By: Tim P		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/21/the-state-of-health-care-reform-today/#comment-138074</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oops. That&#039;s that &quot;...this law &lt;i&gt;won&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; be repealed faster than Obama... &quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. That&#8217;s that &#8220;&#8230;this law <i>won&#8217;t</i> be repealed faster than Obama&#8230; &#8220;</p>
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