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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/18/roundup-2/#comment-137819</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NeoConScum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see at Drudge that Ben Nelson has folded. My Gawd, Full Speed Ahead for The Shipwreck!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see at Drudge that Ben Nelson has folded. My Gawd, Full Speed Ahead for The Shipwreck!</p>
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		By: Mr. Frank		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/18/roundup-2/#comment-137781</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Russians have exposed the climate changers&#039; sloppy work.

See http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/12/climategate-sequel-from-russia-with-love/

Apparently, 40% of Russian territory was left out of calculations, and only 20% of data stations were used. Using all stations the Russians saw no warming in the last century. Russia is 12.5% of the earth&#039;s land mass and would have had a damping effect on worls data.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Russians have exposed the climate changers&#8217; sloppy work.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/12/climategate-sequel-from-russia-with-love/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/12/climategate-sequel-from-russia-with-love/</a></p>
<p>Apparently, 40% of Russian territory was left out of calculations, and only 20% of data stations were used. Using all stations the Russians saw no warming in the last century. Russia is 12.5% of the earth&#8217;s land mass and would have had a damping effect on worls data.</p>
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		By: TmjUtah		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/18/roundup-2/#comment-137780</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TmjUtah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I suspect the political class leaders are being badly - possibly fatally - served by their handlers.

There is NOTHING that a politician cannot survive if the media stays on board... and The Won is the Silver Streak special of PC expresses.

That&#039;s the conventional wisdom, at least.

The handlers aren&#039;t stupid, but they are conditioned to have the breaks go their way... and goodness knows they don&#039;t know hard science, so they are ill equipped to judge just how damaging Climategate really is.

The data is out.  It&#039;s not easy to soundbite gigabytes of data analysis.

But putting up the analysis, with narrative and all work shown?  

Now that&#039;s doable.  And that is what is getting the traction.

Cap and Trade is going to go the way of socialized medicine - no matter how fast they try to shove the crap through, the facts will be out and they won&#039;t get sixty votes.

I am interested in seeing how badly the statists handle this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the political class leaders are being badly &#8211; possibly fatally &#8211; served by their handlers.</p>
<p>There is NOTHING that a politician cannot survive if the media stays on board&#8230; and The Won is the Silver Streak special of PC expresses.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the conventional wisdom, at least.</p>
<p>The handlers aren&#8217;t stupid, but they are conditioned to have the breaks go their way&#8230; and goodness knows they don&#8217;t know hard science, so they are ill equipped to judge just how damaging Climategate really is.</p>
<p>The data is out.  It&#8217;s not easy to soundbite gigabytes of data analysis.</p>
<p>But putting up the analysis, with narrative and all work shown?  </p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s doable.  And that is what is getting the traction.</p>
<p>Cap and Trade is going to go the way of socialized medicine &#8211; no matter how fast they try to shove the crap through, the facts will be out and they won&#8217;t get sixty votes.</p>
<p>I am interested in seeing how badly the statists handle this.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/18/roundup-2/#comment-137778</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve WH, please don&#039;t show this a-hole Mann any deference by referring to him as &quot;Dr.&quot; It demeans those who are actually deserving of the honorific.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve WH, please don&#8217;t show this a-hole Mann any deference by referring to him as &#8220;Dr.&#8221; It demeans those who are actually deserving of the honorific.</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/18/roundup-2/#comment-137776</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NeoConScum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The CARTOON just gets better and better. Nobody on the planet takes The Bamma seriously except himself. Very. Iranians are demonstrating how scared they are of His Majesty--Weakness IS provocative. Chavez is openly insulting--and popular--in the Climate Warming Ponzi Forum in blizzard bound Copenhagen. Barack&#039;s WH Thugs are threatening retribution on Ben Nelson if he doesn&#039;t &#039;fold-um&#039;. The Health Ponzi is a SHIPWRECK and the Left is offending most of America..And, still they push for Socialized Medicine. And STILL The Messiah wags his finger sternly and claims that &quot;the American people are waiting&quot;. Yep, Neo-Neocon, he&#039;s a lying liar who lies.

Clueless. Delusional. Left. Dedicated to the Diminishment of American Liberty &#038; Exceptionalism.

Bunny Hole, Y&#039;All !  Alice...Aliiiiiicccceeeeeee...!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CARTOON just gets better and better. Nobody on the planet takes The Bamma seriously except himself. Very. Iranians are demonstrating how scared they are of His Majesty&#8211;Weakness IS provocative. Chavez is openly insulting&#8211;and popular&#8211;in the Climate Warming Ponzi Forum in blizzard bound Copenhagen. Barack&#8217;s WH Thugs are threatening retribution on Ben Nelson if he doesn&#8217;t &#8216;fold-um&#8217;. The Health Ponzi is a SHIPWRECK and the Left is offending most of America..And, still they push for Socialized Medicine. And STILL The Messiah wags his finger sternly and claims that &#8220;the American people are waiting&#8221;. Yep, Neo-Neocon, he&#8217;s a lying liar who lies.</p>
<p>Clueless. Delusional. Left. Dedicated to the Diminishment of American Liberty &amp; Exceptionalism.</p>
<p>Bunny Hole, Y&#8217;All !  Alice&#8230;Aliiiiiicccceeeeeee&#8230;!</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/18/roundup-2/#comment-137770</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[expat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just found this link at NRO:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cruise-missiles-strike-yemen/story?id=9375236

Barry sent some cruise missles to Yemen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found this link at NRO:</p>
<p><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cruise-missiles-strike-yemen/story?id=9375236" rel="nofollow ugc">http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cruise-missiles-strike-yemen/story?id=9375236</a></p>
<p>Barry sent some cruise missles to Yemen.</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/18/roundup-2/#comment-137769</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[expat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OT: The Blog at the Weekly Standard has a series of links (posted at 9:21 AM) to some classic Krauthammer articles. I just read a few, and they are a fantastic reminder of what we had to deal with during the Bush years. Highly recommended.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT: The Blog at the Weekly Standard has a series of links (posted at 9:21 AM) to some classic Krauthammer articles. I just read a few, and they are a fantastic reminder of what we had to deal with during the Bush years. Highly recommended.</p>
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		By: Wm Lawrence		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/18/roundup-2/#comment-137768</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wm Lawrence]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Chavez seems to be very sensitive to offensive odors. However, as my older brothers used to tell me &quot;The first smeller is the dirty feller.&quot; 

I suggest that at the next meeting where Mr. Chavez broaches the topic he be very diplomatically (and ostentatiously)  presented a bottle of Beano. Maybe that would solve his problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Chavez seems to be very sensitive to offensive odors. However, as my older brothers used to tell me &#8220;The first smeller is the dirty feller.&#8221; </p>
<p>I suggest that at the next meeting where Mr. Chavez broaches the topic he be very diplomatically (and ostentatiously)  presented a bottle of Beano. Maybe that would solve his problem.</p>
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		By: Steve WH		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/18/roundup-2/#comment-137763</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve WH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The articles by Dr. Mann (so called; PhD in this case stands for Piled higher and Deeper) is completely fatuous.

Why bring Sarah Palin into this at all? Redherring!

&quot;. . . manipulated data to &#039;hide the decline&#039; in global temperatures.&quot;  I winced when I read that in her op-ed.  She needs a good science adviser.

However, anyone who has followed this closely knows it is not about the recent temperature decline, but the validity of the proxy reconstruction including the earlier values. Misdirection by Mr. Mann.  This too:

&quot;It could not possibly have referred to the claim that global temperatures have declined over this decade -- a claim that is false (the current decade, as has been recently reported, will go down as the warmest on record). &quot; 

 The claim is not false-temperatures have declined very slightly during the last decade. And the fact that the current decade is the warmest is not a surprise, being it is very possiblity at the end of a 30 year warming cycle (climate having a roughly 60 year warming/cooling period).

There are other parts of this that could be critisied too. However, I will end it with this.

&quot;Scientific evidence for the reality of human-caused climate change includes independently replicated data documenting the extent of warming; unprecedented melting of glaciers; rises in global sea levels; increasingly widespread continental drought; and models that predict all of these things but only when human impacts are included.&quot;

Dr.Mann should read this article by a statistician,
 http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=1417 and heed the  advice - When your in a hole stop digging!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The articles by Dr. Mann (so called; PhD in this case stands for Piled higher and Deeper) is completely fatuous.</p>
<p>Why bring Sarah Palin into this at all? Redherring!</p>
<p>&#8220;. . . manipulated data to &#8216;hide the decline&#8217; in global temperatures.&#8221;  I winced when I read that in her op-ed.  She needs a good science adviser.</p>
<p>However, anyone who has followed this closely knows it is not about the recent temperature decline, but the validity of the proxy reconstruction including the earlier values. Misdirection by Mr. Mann.  This too:</p>
<p>&#8220;It could not possibly have referred to the claim that global temperatures have declined over this decade &#8212; a claim that is false (the current decade, as has been recently reported, will go down as the warmest on record). &#8221; </p>
<p> The claim is not false-temperatures have declined very slightly during the last decade. And the fact that the current decade is the warmest is not a surprise, being it is very possiblity at the end of a 30 year warming cycle (climate having a roughly 60 year warming/cooling period).</p>
<p>There are other parts of this that could be critisied too. However, I will end it with this.</p>
<p>&#8220;Scientific evidence for the reality of human-caused climate change includes independently replicated data documenting the extent of warming; unprecedented melting of glaciers; rises in global sea levels; increasingly widespread continental drought; and models that predict all of these things but only when human impacts are included.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dr.Mann should read this article by a statistician,<br />
 <a href="http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=1417" rel="nofollow ugc">http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=1417</a> and heed the  advice &#8211; When your in a hole stop digging!!</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/18/roundup-2/#comment-137759</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Then bundle ‘em off to the paddock for a cooling off period.&lt;/i&gt;

Nah, let &#039;em cool off in holding pens out on the street for a few hours first. 

&lt;i&gt;Are these the spawn of all those Berkeleites?&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t if &quot;spawn&quot; is properly applied to the products of mitosis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Then bundle ‘em off to the paddock for a cooling off period.</i></p>
<p>Nah, let &#8217;em cool off in holding pens out on the street for a few hours first. </p>
<p><i>Are these the spawn of all those Berkeleites?</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t if &#8220;spawn&#8221; is properly applied to the products of mitosis.</p>
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