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		By: will		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/12/outrage-the-ksm-decision/#comment-137351</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[will]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m dismayed to see that today&#039;s front page announce that the Federal Government will be housing the detainees in Illinois. This seems to dovetail with the KSM saga, rather nicely.

When I first heard comments that Obama was more aligned with the terrorists than the American people, I snickered. However, more and more, I see decisions being made that continue to imperil the United States and send the wrong message to those who want chaos. 

Anyone with a lick of sense is well aware of what purpose our local, state and federal prisons serve in modern society, and the results that can be seen in daily life nearly everywhere.

The prison system is already chock full of homegrown Jamals, Maliks and Muhammeds that have been &quot;persecuted&quot; for their chosen lifestyles and have an inter-generational hatred for the country in which they were born.

So now, the President of The United States decides that the best option for these maniacs is to bring them to an American State that already has a long tradition of harboring Nation Of Islam, Black Panthers and numerous other sympathetic groups. 

Place them in an enviornment and setting in which admirers, recruits and other synchophants can blend in and feel comfortable and not be harassed by &quot;racist&quot; authorities. 

I&#039;m beyond disgusted by this administration.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m dismayed to see that today&#8217;s front page announce that the Federal Government will be housing the detainees in Illinois. This seems to dovetail with the KSM saga, rather nicely.</p>
<p>When I first heard comments that Obama was more aligned with the terrorists than the American people, I snickered. However, more and more, I see decisions being made that continue to imperil the United States and send the wrong message to those who want chaos. </p>
<p>Anyone with a lick of sense is well aware of what purpose our local, state and federal prisons serve in modern society, and the results that can be seen in daily life nearly everywhere.</p>
<p>The prison system is already chock full of homegrown Jamals, Maliks and Muhammeds that have been &#8220;persecuted&#8221; for their chosen lifestyles and have an inter-generational hatred for the country in which they were born.</p>
<p>So now, the President of The United States decides that the best option for these maniacs is to bring them to an American State that already has a long tradition of harboring Nation Of Islam, Black Panthers and numerous other sympathetic groups. </p>
<p>Place them in an enviornment and setting in which admirers, recruits and other synchophants can blend in and feel comfortable and not be harassed by &#8220;racist&#8221; authorities. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m beyond disgusted by this administration.</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/12/outrage-the-ksm-decision/#comment-137307</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[10+months into The Bamma Debacle, I&#039;ve come to detest them to a level where I&#039;m now anxious for the KSM Circus to begin. It ought to dominate 2010 and--JEEPERS--it&#039;s a hugely important election year.

The Plan, of course, is to put the Evil Boooosh Administration on trial. &quot;We plan; God laughs.&quot; Mr Bamster and his thuggish crew will end up--I&#039;m thinking--being the Fools of the piece. Their craven, malignant motives exposed for our country to see day after loathsome day. Bring it on Barack Hussein Obammy!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10+months into The Bamma Debacle, I&#8217;ve come to detest them to a level where I&#8217;m now anxious for the KSM Circus to begin. It ought to dominate 2010 and&#8211;JEEPERS&#8211;it&#8217;s a hugely important election year.</p>
<p>The Plan, of course, is to put the Evil Boooosh Administration on trial. &#8220;We plan; God laughs.&#8221; Mr Bamster and his thuggish crew will end up&#8211;I&#8217;m thinking&#8211;being the Fools of the piece. Their craven, malignant motives exposed for our country to see day after loathsome day. Bring it on Barack Hussein Obammy!</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/12/outrage-the-ksm-decision/#comment-137293</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[you guys missed the biggest point. 

that this combines the military and police...  like in those nasty countries that i keep refering to. the military IS the police, and the police are a brance of the military

if you were to merge the two, you wuold miltiarize the police force, while transfering jurisprudence from the military. 

it has nothing to do with any other things than making a military state out of the US. which is what they have been doing since i was a kid... or havent you noticed?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you guys missed the biggest point. </p>
<p>that this combines the military and police&#8230;  like in those nasty countries that i keep refering to. the military IS the police, and the police are a brance of the military</p>
<p>if you were to merge the two, you wuold miltiarize the police force, while transfering jurisprudence from the military. </p>
<p>it has nothing to do with any other things than making a military state out of the US. which is what they have been doing since i was a kid&#8230; or havent you noticed?</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/12/outrage-the-ksm-decision/#comment-137270</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daniel, that wouldn&#039;t help Obama. Every leftist from Berkeley to Moscow would be howling that he was murdered by the government, whether he was or not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, that wouldn&#8217;t help Obama. Every leftist from Berkeley to Moscow would be howling that he was murdered by the government, whether he was or not.</p>
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		By: Daniel in Brookline		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/12/outrage-the-ksm-decision/#comment-137249</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel in Brookline]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is a real mess, and it&#039;s only going to get worse.

Frankly, the best end to this that I can see for the Obama Administration -- which, coincidentally, would also serve the interests of the United States -- would be for KSM to have a little accident in prison before he goes to trial.  (In his civilian holding cell in NYC, I mean... I don&#039;t mean to imply that Guantanamo troops would have anything to do with this.)

We&#039;re playing by Chicago rules here, aren&#039;t we?

respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a real mess, and it&#8217;s only going to get worse.</p>
<p>Frankly, the best end to this that I can see for the Obama Administration &#8212; which, coincidentally, would also serve the interests of the United States &#8212; would be for KSM to have a little accident in prison before he goes to trial.  (In his civilian holding cell in NYC, I mean&#8230; I don&#8217;t mean to imply that Guantanamo troops would have anything to do with this.)</p>
<p>We&#8217;re playing by Chicago rules here, aren&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>respectfully,<br />
Daniel in Brookline</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He won&#039;t walk.  Obama and Holder have said he&#039;s going to be convicted and he&#039;s not going anyplace if he isn&#039;t convicted.
So we already know--which is to say the unpersuaded masses overseas who are supposed to be impressed by our justice system--that the fix is in.
Until he walks.
Is it not good to use the term &quot;Chinese fire drill&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He won&#8217;t walk.  Obama and Holder have said he&#8217;s going to be convicted and he&#8217;s not going anyplace if he isn&#8217;t convicted.<br />
So we already know&#8211;which is to say the unpersuaded masses overseas who are supposed to be impressed by our justice system&#8211;that the fix is in.<br />
Until he walks.<br />
Is it not good to use the term &#8220;Chinese fire drill&#8221;?</p>
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		By: I R A Darth Aggie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/12/outrage-the-ksm-decision/#comment-137243</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;so what happens when all the evidence gets thrown out because of the way it was gathered? This ought to be interesting.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, wait till KSM subpoenas BO, GWB, Cheney, Rumsfeldt, &lt;i&gt;et al.&lt;/i&gt; as having knowledge about his &lt;i&gt;torture&lt;/i&gt; and/or other elements of his case. &lt;i&gt;Show trial&lt;/i&gt;, indeed!

I&#039;ll suspect he&#039;ll walk for lack of untainted evidence. If he&#039;s dumb, he&#039;ll submit a request for a writ of &lt;i&gt;habeous corpus&lt;/i&gt;, and walk out the front door. I suspect at that point, he&#039;ll be seized by an angry mob, and taken to the Chrysler Building, where he&#039;ll get a taste of his own medicine when the mob flings him off the building.

Yippe-ki-ay...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>so what happens when all the evidence gets thrown out because of the way it was gathered? This ought to be interesting.</i></p>
<p>Oh, wait till KSM subpoenas BO, GWB, Cheney, Rumsfeldt, <i>et al.</i> as having knowledge about his <i>torture</i> and/or other elements of his case. <i>Show trial</i>, indeed!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll suspect he&#8217;ll walk for lack of untainted evidence. If he&#8217;s dumb, he&#8217;ll submit a request for a writ of <i>habeous corpus</i>, and walk out the front door. I suspect at that point, he&#8217;ll be seized by an angry mob, and taken to the Chrysler Building, where he&#8217;ll get a taste of his own medicine when the mob flings him off the building.</p>
<p>Yippe-ki-ay&#8230;</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[KSM will win in a regular court, as when he was arrested the rules of such arrest were not aligned with civilian courts. he had not been read his rights, and as such, any evidence that they would use does not exist as far as the court is concerned. 

however, given that the democrats are sinking faster than than a led balloon near a singularity, they would want some kind of crisis to get carte blanche from us. that is a crisis would renew their mandate, and by facilitating a civilian trial in ny, they facilitate a HUGE easy unpreventable situation. 

here is how bad it is.. 
1. the mosque some AQ people were caught at in queens is still operating. 
2. there are a lot of other mosques and fringe groups with no mosque embedded in our society
3. there are people raised with the liberal nihilist no culture message, and so are now receptive to the message of another side, rather from the intended. 
4. many states which could operate and not be blamed for any action as no one would allow the facts to stray far from the message so as not to complicate reality for those they are gaming
5. crackpot opportunists

ALL 5 of those are going to be in play to some degree. 

what we can be thankful about is that most of them are ignorant and not well trained, even if they are well trained - ie they may know how to do something they are told specifically, but they have almost zero ability to operate on their own, construct things out of nothing and sow a large long campaign...  

any action would not really work to their advantage as it would sow the seeds of an older america, rather than the new one they are pushing, but they have to continue to restructure so that the greedy and incapable over these 3 years figure out how well they can do if they play ball.  this is why it takes 2-3 years to set this stuff up minimally once your in a position to disburse with no restrictions (till its too late). 

ultimately they want something to happen. but will work it if nothig does. actually if nothing does the whole door will be open to merging military and civilian systems. - like soviets and chinese have. 

that is, the bigger picture may be the merger of the two... 




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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KSM will win in a regular court, as when he was arrested the rules of such arrest were not aligned with civilian courts. he had not been read his rights, and as such, any evidence that they would use does not exist as far as the court is concerned. </p>
<p>however, given that the democrats are sinking faster than than a led balloon near a singularity, they would want some kind of crisis to get carte blanche from us. that is a crisis would renew their mandate, and by facilitating a civilian trial in ny, they facilitate a HUGE easy unpreventable situation. </p>
<p>here is how bad it is..<br />
1. the mosque some AQ people were caught at in queens is still operating.<br />
2. there are a lot of other mosques and fringe groups with no mosque embedded in our society<br />
3. there are people raised with the liberal nihilist no culture message, and so are now receptive to the message of another side, rather from the intended.<br />
4. many states which could operate and not be blamed for any action as no one would allow the facts to stray far from the message so as not to complicate reality for those they are gaming<br />
5. crackpot opportunists</p>
<p>ALL 5 of those are going to be in play to some degree. </p>
<p>what we can be thankful about is that most of them are ignorant and not well trained, even if they are well trained &#8211; ie they may know how to do something they are told specifically, but they have almost zero ability to operate on their own, construct things out of nothing and sow a large long campaign&#8230;  </p>
<p>any action would not really work to their advantage as it would sow the seeds of an older america, rather than the new one they are pushing, but they have to continue to restructure so that the greedy and incapable over these 3 years figure out how well they can do if they play ball.  this is why it takes 2-3 years to set this stuff up minimally once your in a position to disburse with no restrictions (till its too late). </p>
<p>ultimately they want something to happen. but will work it if nothig does. actually if nothing does the whole door will be open to merging military and civilian systems. &#8211; like soviets and chinese have. </p>
<p>that is, the bigger picture may be the merger of the two&#8230; </p>
<p>.</p>
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		By: Holderâ€™s KSM Decision Could Be Hidden Goldmine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Holderâ€™s KSM Decision Could Be Hidden Goldmine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] the Apple of my Eye, has posted on the show trial of the Evil Wiz­ard of New York in New York  rather than tak­ing him out [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the Apple of my Eye, has posted on the show trial of the Evil Wiz­ard of New York in New York  rather than tak­ing him out [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo-Neocon: Yep, I&#039;m the same on Rudy. Very, very tough Guy. Smart, seasoned, experienced. Some possible &#039;temperament&#039; problems, but certainly no more than McCain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo-Neocon: Yep, I&#8217;m the same on Rudy. Very, very tough Guy. Smart, seasoned, experienced. Some possible &#8216;temperament&#8217; problems, but certainly no more than McCain.</p>
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