Comments on: Jones and the Climategate data: when was it destroyed? https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/ A blog about political change, among other things Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:47:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0.2 By: Baklava https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136380 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:47:17 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136380 They are trying to change the free market

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,665182,00.html

]]> By: jon baker https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136309 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:53:04 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136309 “Two weeks after the scandal broke, NBC Nightly News on Friday night became the first broadcast network morning or evening news program to inform viewers about “ClimateGate,” but only in the most cursory manner….”

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2009/12/04/nbc-nightly-news-takes-climategate-frets-it-could-delay-taking-action

]]> By: J. Peden https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136308 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:45:29 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136308 huxley and J Peden:

Paragraph 2 of this Nature editorial is the perfect illustration of what you are discussing:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v462/n7273/full/462545a.html

Overall, that’s such a sad story indeed – Nature’s version brings tears to your eyes when you finally see the hassles and embattlement which the noble Climate Scientists have been subjected to as a result of their not doing any actual Science, no?

And Nature itself refused to make some of these these long suffering Authors archive their materials and methods in an accessable way, as per Nature’s very own requirements for publication, when it published certain Papers of interest to the evil [real] scientists and professional statisticians.

Which probably means that Nature itself did not “peer review” the very articles it published, or at least not so as to assure any further validity to the articles, while implying at the same time that these same articles thereby achieved the status of given truth, which, btw, never happens in Science and isn’t expected anyway.

Because the real “peer review” starts only after publication, as further proven by McIntyre, enc., when he was finally able to pry out the material and methods behind Mann’s Hockey Stick contention, or just got lucky when the Royal Society publication forced Briffa to archive his data in a recent paper – 10 years after Briffa’s first use of the data in a publication; which then showed “the decline” in tree-ring data from about 1940 on, which was later “hidden” by some “tricks” in ipcc and other official graphs, mainly for the purpose of trying to erase the Medieval Warm Period.

Nature has been a major part of the problem. It should never be read again, boo-hoo.

]]> By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J. https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136304 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:58:47 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136304 Here’s a long, but interesting summary of Climategate:
http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/017/300ubchn.asp

I love this bit. Some are referring to the CRU e-mails as the “CRUtape” letters.

]]> By: rickl https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136275 Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:37:48 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136275 Artfldgr Says:
December 5th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

Still, I think our chances of avoiding that fate are significantly greater than they were two weeks ago, before Climategate erupted.

how so? they just ignore us and sign… nothing we can do then, unless we want to show obama isnt really president…

I did say in my comment that I’m not sure they won’t go ahead and do that.

I don’t know whether they’re prepared to take it that far or not. Because if they do, it will be proof positive that they are an illegitimate government, and we the people are fully justified in overthrowing it by force. Indeed, we would have a moral imperative to do just that.

Like I said, I don’t know whether they’re prepared to take it that far.

The ball is in their court. We’ll soon see.

]]> By: rickl https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136274 Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:21:46 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136274 Francesca Says:
December 5th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

I hate to bring this up, but can someone explain how Charles Johnson can totally ridicule this issue?

No.

Can’t he read? Or is it that he is such a true believer in global warming that he cannot even allow an honest discussion of the so-called “Climategate”?

Yes.

Is this how all those other true believers, the ones with real power, are just going to pretend that nothing is wrong with their pet belief?

Yes.

Hope that clears things up for you.

]]> By: SteveH https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136269 Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:58:34 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136269 The MSM ignoring this story is almost as big as the bombshell story itself. My God…We have insanely corrupt people deciding humanities fate for the next century! Somebody pinch me.

]]> By: Francesca https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136264 Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:41:13 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136264 I forgot to identify Charles Johnson as the boss of Little Green Footballs.

]]> By: Francesca https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136263 Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:40:11 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136263 I hate to bring this up, but can someone explain how Charles Johnson can totally ridicule this issue? Can’t he read? Or is it that he is such a true believer in global warming that he cannot even allow an honest discussion of the so-called “Climategate”?

Is this how all those other true believers, the ones with real power, are just going to pretend that nothing is wrong with their pet belief?

]]> By: Artfldgr https://thenewneo.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136259 Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:24:07 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/12/04/jones-and-the-climategate-data-when-was-it-destroyed-2/#comment-136259 Still, I think our chances of avoiding that fate are significantly greater than they were two weeks ago, before Climategate erupted.

how so? they just ignore us and sign… nothing we can do then, unless we want to show obama isnt really president…

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