they have been working for “equal outcomes”
not equal opportunity with unequal outcomes.

not the same thing.

in the later the state plays favoriates along gender and race lines and any other lines it wants.

its how jews had to give up their work and such…

equal opportunity was made into law in 1963..
the civil rights act was passed the next year

5 years before the summer of love and the big feminist stuff.

so what then were you fighting for?

i couldnt be equal opportunity…

and it wasnt…

since then they have been fighting for EQUAL OUTCOME

and if you cant explain the difference they duped you.

when the state sets a salary between a nurse and an engineer to be equal, that is equal outcomes.
that is communism.

I think a lot of liberals/leftists/Dems are confusing a basic concept. They confuse equal opportunity with equal outcome. We are not guaranteed equal outcomes by the Constitution. We are assured though, of equal opportunity to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Note the “pursuit of happiness”. There’s no guarantee that we’ll catch happiness, just the opportunity to find it for ourselves on equal footing with everybody else.

this is why the right was upset when they heard the obama kids doign the songs. it wasnt the songs…. it was the line where they said he would bring equal outcomes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_of_outcome

Equality of outcome, equality of condition, or Equality of results is a form of social justice rhetoric which seeks to reduce or eliminate incidental inequalities in material condition between individuals or households in a society. This usually means equalizing income and/or total wealth to a certain degree by, for example, granting a greater amount of income and/or total wealth to poorer individuals or households at the expense of relatively wealthy individuals or households.

Equality of outcome can be distinguished from the concept of equality of opportunity. Government policies that seek to produce an equality of outcome for all citizens in various areas of life are controversial. As individuals have differing skills and talents, a society cannot easily be made ‘equal’. Policies that seek an equality of outcome often require a deviation from the strict application of concepts such as meritocracy, and legal notions of equality before the law for all citizens. ‘Equality seeking’ policies may also have a redistributive focus.

and redistribution of wealth is communism.

by the way, read stalin, read lenin, read mao. they use the word socialism..

i said that feminism is communism for women….

just like the leaders say openly

and your personal goodness does not make a system concieved to destroy the family by pitting mates against each other… any less destructive.

Mothers’ rights making women unemployable
By editor of Vogue magazine, Alexandra Shulman http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1226157/Vogue-editor-Alexandra-Shulman-asks-boss-hire-woman.html

i can go down the list…

but your PERSONAL VERSION of feminism is not what the leaders promote.

AND THATS THE PROBLEM when something is SUBVERTED.

all the people like you defend it BLINDLY and through personal experience as if they are completely incapable of being dupped and wasting their time on other people ends and projects other than their own life and children and mates.

So I’m glad that I worked for equal opportunities for women, even though you think that such an idea is merely a communist plot.

ever think you should have been working for that for EVERYONE, not just a privledged section of society?

i dont think it was a communist plot i was told by the leaders of feminism that taht is what they are working for.

you have no idea of the history or any of the othe stuff. how about first taking a look.

see neo… if you cut my quotes down, there is no preponderance… and if you dont, such people refuise to learn that they are wasting their lives on a futile end.

no… not the end of opportunities…

because that is not what they are actually working for.

you only have to listen to the LEADERS….

“Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism.” – Catharine A. MacKinnon, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State (First Harvard University Press, 1989), p.10

do you think i got to MacKinnon? that i infected her with my ideas?

no… SHE IS THE INNER CIRCLE you are a useful idiot… they are not hding anything any more than hitler hid the work in mein kampf.

its just that you sided with them and will refuse to your dying day to accept what you did, and then accelt what end you were really working for.

that happened to walter duranty, and langston huges, so dont think that your not in the company of great people.

“A world where men and women would be equal is easy to visualize, for that precisely is what the Soviet Revolution promised.” – Simone de Beauvoir, The Second Sex (New York, Random House, 1952), p.806

“In order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from families and communally raise them” — Dr. Mary Jo Bane, feminist and assistant professor of education at Welleslry College and associate director of the school’s Center for Research on Woman

“No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.” — Interview with Simone de Beauvoir, “Sex, Society, and the Female Dilemma,” Saturday Review, June 14, 1975, p.18

the best you can do is go back to sleep and beleive that it isnt what it says it is

just as the german people went to sleep saying herr hitler didnt really mean all that.

“If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males.” — Mary Daly, former Professor at Boston College, 2001

let me know…

do these people represent your thoughts?

becuse if you dont say no, there is no reason for me to believe that you are or have any other goals than the women you said you helped!

its really that simple..

either they represent you and desrve yoru help, or they misrepresent to you and are using you

read the con artist thread.

“For one of the implicit, if unadmitted, tenets of feminism has been a fundamental disrespect for men.” — Wendy Dennis

“How will the family unit be destroyed? … the demand alone will throw the whole ideology of the family into question, so that women can begin establishing a community of work with each other and we can fight collectively. Women will feel freer to leave their husbands and become economically independent, either through a job or welfare.” — From Female Liberation by Roxanne Dunbar

while you were helping them believing in equality for women, and not other people. did you realize that their goals were things you would fine ANTITHETICAL if only you took the time?

you align yourself with this kind of person, and then belittle me?

“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” — Andrea Dworkin, Ice and Fire, (Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1987

oh…right… thats not feminism.. your the representative of feminists. that why the president calls you, thats why your on al gores campaigns thats why your writing policy statements..

or did you come to a meeting and do what your told? having such fun helping the cause, getting them money, etc?

did you ever take the time to actually read bout the world they are visualizing?

“My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don’t even need to shrug. I simply don’t care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don’t matter.” — Marilyn French; The Women’s Room

these are the heroes and molders of feminism.

you either agree with them and help them or you dont agree and dont help them.

i assume you agree with them…

which is why we are at odds. i think a family with a mom and a dad with a couple of kids raised in protected enfironment and loved is a good thing.

you dont.
and if you do, then your lying to yourself.

“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart, The Future – If There Is One – Is Female

“Being a housewife is an illegitimate profession… The choice to serve and be protected and plan towards being a family-maker is a choice that shouldn’t be. The heart of radical feminism is to change that” — Vivian Gornick, feminist author, University of Illinois, “The Daily Illini,” April 25, 1981

“If women are to effect a significant amelioration in their condition it seems obvious that they must refuse to marry.” — Germaine Greer, The Female Eunuch (New York: McGraw-Hill, 1971), p. 317
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“The plight of mothers is more desperate than that of other women, and the more numerous the children the more hopeless the situation seems to be…. Most women…would shrink at the notion of leaving husband and children, but this is precisely the case in which brutally clear rethinking must be undertaken.” –Germaine Greer, The Female Eunuch (New York: McGraw-Hill, 1971), p.320

are you going to tell me that germaine greer doesnt lead?

“[The nuclear family is] a cornerstone of woman’s oppression: it enforces women’s dependence on men, it enforces heterosexuality and it imposes the prevailing masculine and feminine character structures on the next generation.” — Alison Jaggar, Feminist Politics and Human Nature

that babies are a plot by men to prevent an all woman lesbian utopia? (how do you get the lesbians then?)

think that is silly?

“[W]omen, like men, should not have to bear children…. The destruction of the biological family, never envisioned by Freud, will allow the emergence of new women and men, different from any people who have previously existed.” — Alison Jaggar, Political Philosophies of Women’s Liberation: Feminism and Philosophy, (Totowa, NJ: Littlefield, Adams & Co. 1977)

they dont..

“Sexuality is to feminism what work is to Marxism…” — Catharine A. MacKinnon, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State, (First Harvard University Press, 1989), p. 3

“All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman.” — Catharine MacKinnon

“Feminism is built on believing women’s accounts of sexual use and abuse by men.” — Catharine MacKinnon, Feminism Unmodified, 1987 (whether real or not)

so many of them want to destroy the family

and of course your saying, no matter how many leaders with followers who get to talk and give lectures to thousands and teach, they dont reaqlly beleive that stuff…

and obama is not a socuialist.

“[I]f even 10 percent of American women remain full-time homemakers, this will reinforce traditional views of what women ought to do and encourage other women to become full-time homemakers at least while their children are young…. This means that no matter how any individual feminist might feel about child care and housework, the movement as a whole [has] reasons to discourage full-time homemaking.” — Jane J. Mansbridge, Why We Lost the ERA, p.100

have you noticed they are now taking wmoens children? in england they just started taking them if your too fat… or not smart enough.

i bet your all for the children being taken away and being raised by the state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why not, the leaders you follow are!!!!!!!!!

“The care of children ..is infinitely better left to the best trained practitioners of both sexes who have chosen it as a vocation…[This] would further undermine family structure while contributing to the freedom of women.” — Kate Millet, Sexual Politics, 178-179

“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” — Robin Morgan

“We can’t destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage.” — Robin Morgan (ed), Sisterhood is Powerful, 1970, p.537

“The Women’s Caucus [endorses] marxist-leninist socialist thought.” — Robin Morgan, Sisterhood is Powerful, p.597

even though you think that such an idea is merely a communist plot.

I think?

when i can give you ten icons of feminism from the highest ranks and they say thats what it is, how does it become MY Thoughts?

easy… when you still want to have the false meaning they gave you…

All those other women you mentioned may be miserable, but I’m happy. So I’m glad that I worked for equal opportunities for women, even though you think that such an idea is merely a communist plot.

BTW, don’t you believe in any free will, or are all of us just dust in the wind or animals in the farmyard to be manipulated? The American spirit means that we Americans can shape the world if we want to do so.

I’m not a puppet. You came from a puppet state, but now you are free. Enjoy your freedom and acknowledge that other Americans can enjoy their freedom too, even though they don’t follow your own personal plan.

the soviets werent pure evil either…

makes it harder to get rid of waht you should.

i am not harsh at all…
we are no where near as harsh as we should be

and your next paragraph proves my case and point.

Sure there are many kooky feminists—the ones who get the press are usually kooky—but many feminists are just nice people like me who are happy to see opportunities open up for women.

really…
you can say the EXACT SAME THING ABOUT SOVIETS..

not knowing what you were working for is the problem.

and your using the REASONABLE COMMUNIST argument…
which is the same as the REASONABLE ISLAMIST
which si the same as the REASONABLE FEMINIST

did you know that femnism of the modern cut was started by terrorists? that they planted bombs? and by your helping, you gave the same support to them that some islamics give to islam…

and of course you dont read the leaders, the ones who advice presidents and teach courses.

no… you believe that your PERSONAL VERSION of feminism is the real feminism.

yuo didnt understand my argument.
you didnt step back and survey what each group says tehy stand for… and realize that its not anything meaningful.

that they are playing on your ego.

the equal opportunity law was not created by feminists… they dont want equal opportunity!!!!!!!

takes knowlege of their history all over the world to get it.

because if you know, say the history of the movemetn world wide.. you will find that england had copies of the same types at teh sam time US did..

almost like they were delivered and then promoted, which they were.

just cause they appeal to your ego, created a sense of self that is naked and scared withotu them, and took credit for tons of things that they didnt do, or that has nothing to do wih them..

in case you didnt know..
women are worse off than ever before.
they are more unhappy… they are more alone
they are more barren.. they have more deseases
more mental problems.. .higher crime rate… more obesity.. lower age of menses… and tons more.

adn the list goes on with all the negatives that are touted as positives..

waking up to look at it might be a start…

but that would take really looking at it and dropping the stuff you believe without confirmation (delivered assumptions).

most will not..

“I support Pelosi, but not her policies.”

Still, I think its great for the same reason you should argue your points using the words of the opposition. Paglia’s opinion challenges the thinking of those who would normally eat up the health care bill, hook, line, and sinker. If she, one of them–a member of the left, sees tremendous faults in the health care bill, her negative opinions will matter more in winning over left-leaning moderates than if they were uttered by a conservative Republican. Praising Pelosi as a person in the beginning is rhetoric that shows Paglia’s leftist credentials while the rest of her column essentially guts that initial rhetoric, if that makes sense (i’m writing fast).

🙂

Not a man-hater. Not an affirmative action fan (never needed it, thanks)– in most cases. Though to be honest, it has been necessary in some cases to force open particular doors.

And I’m in favor of the right of free association, and claim it myself, even if I’m jealous of men’s opportunities to join certain clubs and associations. But I think we’ll get further if we use honey rather than vinegar.

And speaking of doors, when a gentleman opens one for me, I say “Thank you!” and give him a smile.

Ward Connerly is a hero. His book “Creating Equal” pretty much explains how I feel with respect to any ‘ism’