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		By: Irish Cicero		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Irish Cicero]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I personally think there is a war being conducted against the United States.

It grows out of at least a generation of conditioning that business is bad, plus a need for dramatized self-importance, i.e., pomeranians who want to be greyhounds, but really don&#039;t know what that is, so they use other people to build the fantasy.

Narcissists.

We are in deep doo doo.

What is encouraging is they are being reckless.

The question is, will it stir up violence, or coup?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally think there is a war being conducted against the United States.</p>
<p>It grows out of at least a generation of conditioning that business is bad, plus a need for dramatized self-importance, i.e., pomeranians who want to be greyhounds, but really don&#8217;t know what that is, so they use other people to build the fantasy.</p>
<p>Narcissists.</p>
<p>We are in deep doo doo.</p>
<p>What is encouraging is they are being reckless.</p>
<p>The question is, will it stir up violence, or coup?</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[you cant get a clearer picture till you stop looking at obama, and start looknig at everything. 

he is the top of an iceberg... 90% of whats happening is underneath the water...

right now, everyone is yelling there is nothing under the water, we can see it all from here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you cant get a clearer picture till you stop looking at obama, and start looknig at everything. </p>
<p>he is the top of an iceberg&#8230; 90% of whats happening is underneath the water&#8230;</p>
<p>right now, everyone is yelling there is nothing under the water, we can see it all from here.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I am not putting my head into the sand. I have examined this situation carefully from all sides.
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt; and have thrown out any facts, ideas and conclusions i dont like so that everytime i spin the bottle i am sure that that is the reality of it as it always lands on he number i want. 

funny thing about knowlege and perception, we cant see past our own ability. and you assume obama and all the others (literally a few 100k of people) are obviously less than you, and so your take is right. 

well, obama has some things on his side and his history goes back farther than what you examined. 

ya got to look at his mom (her aliases), his grandmom, ayers, ayers father too!!!  geithner is part, as his father is connected to this too.  and your forgetting prince alwaleed, tony rezko, etc. 

all of them have a nice interconncted web of real estate fraud and manipulations. 

but since you have looked at it from all sides, can you tell me also what other states (agencies) are feeding information through to this stuff? 

after all, ayers and others flew to cuba, and went to vietnam to talk to their keepers and get advice. it was in the news that ted kennedy approached the kgb for advice...  and so on. 

so tell me what does it mean that the technology of marine 1 is in iranian hands? 

Geithner&#039;s father, Peter Geithner, was head of the Ford Foundation&#039;s Asia grant making for a period in the early 1980s.. that was the time that ann dunham was running the program in indonesia. 

Ford is the huge group that created the trilateral commission, and the council of foreign relations.. 

which obama ha been a member for a while. 

just as a prior president picked a vice president who was related to the largest share holders of the company he used to work for, each one of these lift each other up like a belay in mountain climbing. 

The Big Money Behind Geithner
www.aim.org/aim-column/the-big-money-behind-geithner/

&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;It also turns out that Geithner’s father, Peter F. Geithner, serves on the board with Kissinger of the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations. This is the group that rang the opening bell at the New York Stock Exchange, celebrating Chinese investments in the U.S. economy. In another interesting connection, it turns out that Peter F. Geithner was with the Ford Foundation and oversaw the work of Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, developing what are called microfinance programs in Indonesia.

&lt;/i&gt;

was this in your equation too? 

hw about how they are connected to big oil? 
as another dunham created a front oil company in indonesia to funnel oil to certain states. 

&lt;i&gt;If you examine the nature of the “Group of Thirty,” an affiliation which appears at the bottom of his biography, right after his Council on Foreign Relations membership, you will quickly learn that the President of the New York Federal Reserve Bank is an associate of the governor of the Chinese central bank through this mysterious organization of bankers and other top current and former officials from various countries. You will notice that other Obama nominees and associates are members, including Paul Volcker and Lawrence Summers.

You will also learn that this organization has been funded byâ€•surpriseâ€•some of the same financial institutions getting federal bailout money. These include American International Group, Goldman Sachs and Citi, among others. Because it has a website and publishes an annual report, all of this seems open and above board. But the fine print reveals that some of the meetings are by “invitation only.”

The entire list of “contributors and supporters” of the “Group of Thirty” is quite impressive. You will find not only U.S. financial institutions getting bailout money, but central banks around the world and Arab financial interests. In addition, you also find private financial interests, including the hedge fund operated by billionaire and Obama contributor George Soros.

&lt;/i&gt;


is all that in your calculations too. 
or are you completely ignorant of this other history?

there is a lot of history of tax evasion, international real estate games, grant theft. 

and the most interesting is that its a web of people going back more than 3 generations of working and colluding world wide. 

ALL of them also under the direction of the council of foreign relations, and the trilateral commission. 
even scarier, is the bilderbergs above them. 

but we have no real idea what the most powerful people in the world do when they get together behind closed doors of the new world order one world government people...

dont worry.  
just check out the member list of who is there, who is permanent and who are transitory (funny how they have age restrictions). 

then there is the trilateral commission. they use a triskeleon as their symbol (a three armed variation of a swastika but done with curvy lines. just as obamas symbol matches funny enough the asian cooperation groups logo)

&lt;b&gt;The Trilateral Commission is a private organization, established to foster closer cooperation among the United States, Europe and Japan. It was founded in July 1973 at the initiative of David Rockefeller, who was Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations at that time. The Trilateral Commission is widely seen as a counterpart to the Council on Foreign Relations&lt;/b&gt;

its headed by a guy names joseph s nye jr... 

he is the author of 

Soft Power: the means to success in world politics

&lt;b&gt;Joseph S. Nye, Jr. (born 1937) is the co-founder, along with Robert Keohane, of the international relations theory neoliberalism developed in their 1977 book Power and Interdependence. Together with Keohane, he developed the concepts of asymmetrical and complex interdependence.&lt;/b&gt;

oh..   so he created the neo liberals (communists) which really took over the much trusted original lierals, who were not large state socialists at all. 

[he is also a rhodes scholar]

like a lot of others in these agencies, their wiki bios for some reason leave out their parents... (which most other wiki doesnt)

go down the line in these orgs adn you get very far left globalists and heavy socialists and utopians. 

i am sure you considered all these other invisiable people that were able to put up a puppet for president.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am not putting my head into the sand. I have examined this situation carefully from all sides.<br />
</i><i> and have thrown out any facts, ideas and conclusions i dont like so that everytime i spin the bottle i am sure that that is the reality of it as it always lands on he number i want. </p>
<p>funny thing about knowlege and perception, we cant see past our own ability. and you assume obama and all the others (literally a few 100k of people) are obviously less than you, and so your take is right. </p>
<p>well, obama has some things on his side and his history goes back farther than what you examined. </p>
<p>ya got to look at his mom (her aliases), his grandmom, ayers, ayers father too!!!  geithner is part, as his father is connected to this too.  and your forgetting prince alwaleed, tony rezko, etc. </p>
<p>all of them have a nice interconncted web of real estate fraud and manipulations. </p>
<p>but since you have looked at it from all sides, can you tell me also what other states (agencies) are feeding information through to this stuff? </p>
<p>after all, ayers and others flew to cuba, and went to vietnam to talk to their keepers and get advice. it was in the news that ted kennedy approached the kgb for advice&#8230;  and so on. </p>
<p>so tell me what does it mean that the technology of marine 1 is in iranian hands? </p>
<p>Geithner&#8217;s father, Peter Geithner, was head of the Ford Foundation&#8217;s Asia grant making for a period in the early 1980s.. that was the time that ann dunham was running the program in indonesia. </p>
<p>Ford is the huge group that created the trilateral commission, and the council of foreign relations.. </p>
<p>which obama ha been a member for a while. </p>
<p>just as a prior president picked a vice president who was related to the largest share holders of the company he used to work for, each one of these lift each other up like a belay in mountain climbing. </p>
<p>The Big Money Behind Geithner<br />
<a href="http://www.aim.org/aim-column/the-big-money-behind-geithner/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.aim.org/aim-column/the-big-money-behind-geithner/</a></p>
<p></i><i>It also turns out that Geithner’s father, Peter F. Geithner, serves on the board with Kissinger of the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations. This is the group that rang the opening bell at the New York Stock Exchange, celebrating Chinese investments in the U.S. economy. In another interesting connection, it turns out that Peter F. Geithner was with the Ford Foundation and oversaw the work of Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, developing what are called microfinance programs in Indonesia.</p>
<p></i></p>
<p>was this in your equation too? </p>
<p>hw about how they are connected to big oil?<br />
as another dunham created a front oil company in indonesia to funnel oil to certain states. </p>
<p><i>If you examine the nature of the “Group of Thirty,” an affiliation which appears at the bottom of his biography, right after his Council on Foreign Relations membership, you will quickly learn that the President of the New York Federal Reserve Bank is an associate of the governor of the Chinese central bank through this mysterious organization of bankers and other top current and former officials from various countries. You will notice that other Obama nominees and associates are members, including Paul Volcker and Lawrence Summers.</p>
<p>You will also learn that this organization has been funded byâ€•surpriseâ€•some of the same financial institutions getting federal bailout money. These include American International Group, Goldman Sachs and Citi, among others. Because it has a website and publishes an annual report, all of this seems open and above board. But the fine print reveals that some of the meetings are by “invitation only.”</p>
<p>The entire list of “contributors and supporters” of the “Group of Thirty” is quite impressive. You will find not only U.S. financial institutions getting bailout money, but central banks around the world and Arab financial interests. In addition, you also find private financial interests, including the hedge fund operated by billionaire and Obama contributor George Soros.</p>
<p></i></p>
<p>is all that in your calculations too.<br />
or are you completely ignorant of this other history?</p>
<p>there is a lot of history of tax evasion, international real estate games, grant theft. </p>
<p>and the most interesting is that its a web of people going back more than 3 generations of working and colluding world wide. </p>
<p>ALL of them also under the direction of the council of foreign relations, and the trilateral commission.<br />
even scarier, is the bilderbergs above them. </p>
<p>but we have no real idea what the most powerful people in the world do when they get together behind closed doors of the new world order one world government people&#8230;</p>
<p>dont worry.<br />
just check out the member list of who is there, who is permanent and who are transitory (funny how they have age restrictions). </p>
<p>then there is the trilateral commission. they use a triskeleon as their symbol (a three armed variation of a swastika but done with curvy lines. just as obamas symbol matches funny enough the asian cooperation groups logo)</p>
<p><b>The Trilateral Commission is a private organization, established to foster closer cooperation among the United States, Europe and Japan. It was founded in July 1973 at the initiative of David Rockefeller, who was Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations at that time. The Trilateral Commission is widely seen as a counterpart to the Council on Foreign Relations</b></p>
<p>its headed by a guy names joseph s nye jr&#8230; </p>
<p>he is the author of </p>
<p>Soft Power: the means to success in world politics</p>
<p><b>Joseph S. Nye, Jr. (born 1937) is the co-founder, along with Robert Keohane, of the international relations theory neoliberalism developed in their 1977 book Power and Interdependence. Together with Keohane, he developed the concepts of asymmetrical and complex interdependence.</b></p>
<p>oh..   so he created the neo liberals (communists) which really took over the much trusted original lierals, who were not large state socialists at all. </p>
<p>[he is also a rhodes scholar]</p>
<p>like a lot of others in these agencies, their wiki bios for some reason leave out their parents&#8230; (which most other wiki doesnt)</p>
<p>go down the line in these orgs adn you get very far left globalists and heavy socialists and utopians. </p>
<p>i am sure you considered all these other invisiable people that were able to put up a puppet for president.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I think it’s worth remembering that the Bible tells us the Devil can disguise himself as an angel of light&lt;/i&gt;

sorry a bit of a correction here. 

Lucifer whose name means light. WAS the most beautiful and smartest of all the ANGELS and was gods favorite before man. 

a better source into the subtly of evil would be to read C S lewis screwtape letters. 

in that very short tiny book, is everything you wanted to know about how a real devil will work. 

the stories of huge tempting wealth and competitions and all that later literature stuf as to the devil, made him more comical than actual. 

C S Lewis brings you back to reality and makes you realize that the devil has all the ills in him, and he is a lazy minimalist.   he doesnt give you huge amounts of gold to tempt you, he distracts you with hunger for a sandwhich when your mind goes to bigger more religious minded modes where thinking morally is less about logic and lawyering the problem. 

&lt;i&gt;In The Screwtape Letters, C.S. Lewis provides a series of lessons in the importance of taking a deliberate role in living out Christian faith by portraying a typical human life, with all its temptations and failings, as seen from the demon/devil&#039;s viewpoint. Wormwood and Screwtape live in a peculiarly morally reversed world, where individual benefit and greed are seen as the greatest good, and neither demon is capable of comprehending or acknowledging true human virtue when he sees it.

&lt;/i&gt;

and the reality that evil is not somethign apart from good comes about... but that evil is an inversion of good, a perversion of it. 

its too theological for here, but in general, there is nothign in the universe except good. evil is created by perverting good, it has no sources itself.  that is, everything in reality is gods goodness... however, to get evil one perverts or inverts goodness. in this way, we are clouded in that there are no such things as inherently all evil acts. 

its why there ARE things as inhertently and good acts.  in this way, evil is not the other side of good, in the great universe of split halves (good, bad, etc). 

evil is the shadow...  it can only appear where the good light is blocked by some perverse twisting of the clarity of good. that is, when not twisted the light shines through you and casts no shadow. twist the form, the idea, the concept, and light is diverted, and so now there can be a shadow. 

this makes the good that is reality, the only whole in reality that there is.  but as i said, its too complicated a concept for most here, since most here want this kind of thing in a few sentences. 

here is a short one i hope will catch on to counter mao... 

&lt;b&gt;Love and affection can not be reached by state control and manipulation&lt;/b&gt;- artfldgr 

[therefor utopias doors are forever closed to those who would enter by force - artfldgr]

ie. you cant beat anyone to good... the best you can do that way is to make them more evil and smarter not to show it. ie. you twist them up mroe and make a darker shadow. 

one would have to read a lot of aquinas, aristotle, augsustine, hobbes, hypatia, kerikergaard, lao tzu, and lots more to really get it.  

the knowlege is not real in one perspective only

ciao! 

&lt;i&gt;At the center of your being you have the answer; you know who you are and you know what you want. 
Lao Tzu &lt;/i&gt;

and why do i talk when i know it will kill me? 

&lt;i&gt;From caring comes courage. 
Lao Tzu &lt;/i&gt;

Like the bhudda, i know that i am already dead

it has already happened... 

:)

&lt;b&gt;Zen master Dogen had a saying that is appropriate in the present context. He said that in order to perceive reality we must &quot;drop mind and body&quot;. In other words, it is essential to drop all habits of thought and preconceptions in order to understand the truth.&lt;/b&gt;


what we are going through can be said to come from those who believe that they are self actualized. 

you can tell they arent... 
they dont understand Gemeinschaftsgefohl, that is they pretend that they have these qualities and they are superior, but one only needs to really understand that they are narcisists self agrandizing to a concept that they cant understand. 

GEMEINSCHAFTSGEFOHL
&lt;i&gt;This word, invented by Alfred Adler is the only one available that describes well the flavor of the feelings for mankind expressed by self-actualizing subjects. They have for human beings in general a deep feeling of identification, sympathy, and affection in spite of the occasional anger, impatience or disgust described below. Because of this they have a gamine desire to help the human race. it is as if they were all numbers of a single family. One&#039;s feelings toward his brothers would be on the whole affectionate, even if these brothers were foolish, weak or even if they were sometimes nasty. They would still be more easily forgiven than strangers.
&lt;/i&gt;

People truly with this feeling would not desire to ration healthcare, consider some to be not worth being.  

they would not hate so much that which they profess to love, and want to help. 

&lt;b&gt;In art and music, in things of the intellect, in scientific matters, in politics and public affairs, they soared as a group to be able to see concealed or confused realities more swiftly and more correctly than others. Their predictions of the future from what-~ever facts were in hand at the time seemed to be more often correct, because less based upon wish, desire, anxiety, fear, or upon generalized, character-determined optimism or pessimism.

Self-actualizing people distinguished far more easily than most, the fresh, concrete, and idiographic from he generic, abstract, and rubricized. The consequence is that they live more in the real world of nature than in the man-made mass of concepts, abstractions, xpectations, beliefs, and stereotypes that most people confuse with the world.
&lt;/b&gt;

there is a lot more i can say about this all. 

This inner attitude can also be seen in those moments when the person becomes keenly absorbed in something that is close to one of his main interests. He can then be seen quite casually to drop off all sorts of rules of behavior to which at other times he conforms.  

&lt;i&gt;Our subjects are in general strongly focused on problem outside themselves. In current terminology they are problem centered rather than ego centered. They generally are not problem for themselves and are not generally much concerned about themselves; e.g., as contrasted with the ordinary introspectiveness that one find in insecure people. These individuals customarily have sane mission in life, sane task to fulfill, some problem outside themselves which enlists much of their energies.
&lt;/i&gt;

maybe i should spend most of my time working on saving myself and leaving rather than try to save the damned? 

&lt;i&gt;one of the characteristics of self-actualizing people, which to a certain extent crosscuts much of what we have already escribed, is their relative independence of the physical and social environment. &lt;/i&gt;

pleasing others whims do not make them or you happy...  

being yourself and accepting those that dont like you, and developing the full self sands the advice of others with desires masquerading as advice or help might fit that, then again not. 

too long.. 

yet there are higher better ways..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think it’s worth remembering that the Bible tells us the Devil can disguise himself as an angel of light</i></p>
<p>sorry a bit of a correction here. </p>
<p>Lucifer whose name means light. WAS the most beautiful and smartest of all the ANGELS and was gods favorite before man. </p>
<p>a better source into the subtly of evil would be to read C S lewis screwtape letters. </p>
<p>in that very short tiny book, is everything you wanted to know about how a real devil will work. </p>
<p>the stories of huge tempting wealth and competitions and all that later literature stuf as to the devil, made him more comical than actual. </p>
<p>C S Lewis brings you back to reality and makes you realize that the devil has all the ills in him, and he is a lazy minimalist.   he doesnt give you huge amounts of gold to tempt you, he distracts you with hunger for a sandwhich when your mind goes to bigger more religious minded modes where thinking morally is less about logic and lawyering the problem. </p>
<p><i>In The Screwtape Letters, C.S. Lewis provides a series of lessons in the importance of taking a deliberate role in living out Christian faith by portraying a typical human life, with all its temptations and failings, as seen from the demon/devil&#8217;s viewpoint. Wormwood and Screwtape live in a peculiarly morally reversed world, where individual benefit and greed are seen as the greatest good, and neither demon is capable of comprehending or acknowledging true human virtue when he sees it.</p>
<p></i></p>
<p>and the reality that evil is not somethign apart from good comes about&#8230; but that evil is an inversion of good, a perversion of it. </p>
<p>its too theological for here, but in general, there is nothign in the universe except good. evil is created by perverting good, it has no sources itself.  that is, everything in reality is gods goodness&#8230; however, to get evil one perverts or inverts goodness. in this way, we are clouded in that there are no such things as inherently all evil acts. </p>
<p>its why there ARE things as inhertently and good acts.  in this way, evil is not the other side of good, in the great universe of split halves (good, bad, etc). </p>
<p>evil is the shadow&#8230;  it can only appear where the good light is blocked by some perverse twisting of the clarity of good. that is, when not twisted the light shines through you and casts no shadow. twist the form, the idea, the concept, and light is diverted, and so now there can be a shadow. </p>
<p>this makes the good that is reality, the only whole in reality that there is.  but as i said, its too complicated a concept for most here, since most here want this kind of thing in a few sentences. </p>
<p>here is a short one i hope will catch on to counter mao&#8230; </p>
<p><b>Love and affection can not be reached by state control and manipulation</b>&#8211; artfldgr </p>
<p>[therefor utopias doors are forever closed to those who would enter by force &#8211; artfldgr]</p>
<p>ie. you cant beat anyone to good&#8230; the best you can do that way is to make them more evil and smarter not to show it. ie. you twist them up mroe and make a darker shadow. </p>
<p>one would have to read a lot of aquinas, aristotle, augsustine, hobbes, hypatia, kerikergaard, lao tzu, and lots more to really get it.  </p>
<p>the knowlege is not real in one perspective only</p>
<p>ciao! </p>
<p><i>At the center of your being you have the answer; you know who you are and you know what you want.<br />
Lao Tzu </i></p>
<p>and why do i talk when i know it will kill me? </p>
<p><i>From caring comes courage.<br />
Lao Tzu </i></p>
<p>Like the bhudda, i know that i am already dead</p>
<p>it has already happened&#8230; </p>
<p>🙂</p>
<p><b>Zen master Dogen had a saying that is appropriate in the present context. He said that in order to perceive reality we must &#8220;drop mind and body&#8221;. In other words, it is essential to drop all habits of thought and preconceptions in order to understand the truth.</b></p>
<p>what we are going through can be said to come from those who believe that they are self actualized. </p>
<p>you can tell they arent&#8230;<br />
they dont understand Gemeinschaftsgefohl, that is they pretend that they have these qualities and they are superior, but one only needs to really understand that they are narcisists self agrandizing to a concept that they cant understand. </p>
<p>GEMEINSCHAFTSGEFOHL<br />
<i>This word, invented by Alfred Adler is the only one available that describes well the flavor of the feelings for mankind expressed by self-actualizing subjects. They have for human beings in general a deep feeling of identification, sympathy, and affection in spite of the occasional anger, impatience or disgust described below. Because of this they have a gamine desire to help the human race. it is as if they were all numbers of a single family. One&#8217;s feelings toward his brothers would be on the whole affectionate, even if these brothers were foolish, weak or even if they were sometimes nasty. They would still be more easily forgiven than strangers.<br />
</i></p>
<p>People truly with this feeling would not desire to ration healthcare, consider some to be not worth being.  </p>
<p>they would not hate so much that which they profess to love, and want to help. </p>
<p><b>In art and music, in things of the intellect, in scientific matters, in politics and public affairs, they soared as a group to be able to see concealed or confused realities more swiftly and more correctly than others. Their predictions of the future from what-~ever facts were in hand at the time seemed to be more often correct, because less based upon wish, desire, anxiety, fear, or upon generalized, character-determined optimism or pessimism.</p>
<p>Self-actualizing people distinguished far more easily than most, the fresh, concrete, and idiographic from he generic, abstract, and rubricized. The consequence is that they live more in the real world of nature than in the man-made mass of concepts, abstractions, xpectations, beliefs, and stereotypes that most people confuse with the world.<br />
</b></p>
<p>there is a lot more i can say about this all. </p>
<p>This inner attitude can also be seen in those moments when the person becomes keenly absorbed in something that is close to one of his main interests. He can then be seen quite casually to drop off all sorts of rules of behavior to which at other times he conforms.  </p>
<p><i>Our subjects are in general strongly focused on problem outside themselves. In current terminology they are problem centered rather than ego centered. They generally are not problem for themselves and are not generally much concerned about themselves; e.g., as contrasted with the ordinary introspectiveness that one find in insecure people. These individuals customarily have sane mission in life, sane task to fulfill, some problem outside themselves which enlists much of their energies.<br />
</i></p>
<p>maybe i should spend most of my time working on saving myself and leaving rather than try to save the damned? </p>
<p><i>one of the characteristics of self-actualizing people, which to a certain extent crosscuts much of what we have already escribed, is their relative independence of the physical and social environment. </i></p>
<p>pleasing others whims do not make them or you happy&#8230;  </p>
<p>being yourself and accepting those that dont like you, and developing the full self sands the advice of others with desires masquerading as advice or help might fit that, then again not. </p>
<p>too long.. </p>
<p>yet there are higher better ways..</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;failure if you prefer, to either stop or moderate this awful health-care push in the face of stiff and mounting opposition says worlds about their view of Americans as a self-governing people&lt;/i&gt;

it says to me that they ahve a coordinated plan that certain things ahve to happen by a certain time to be ready for december, and to be ready for whats coming up. 

that is, they are ignoring the opponents because thats what you do when you execute a plan... 

and they are behind on fulfiling things, so they pay less attention and get desperate. 

they cant be doing this when other things happen, or else the latches will nto be in place and we can roll it back. 

strategy and tactics is not average peoples strong points... if they were, this would be a more severe and less cooperative society.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>failure if you prefer, to either stop or moderate this awful health-care push in the face of stiff and mounting opposition says worlds about their view of Americans as a self-governing people</i></p>
<p>it says to me that they ahve a coordinated plan that certain things ahve to happen by a certain time to be ready for december, and to be ready for whats coming up. </p>
<p>that is, they are ignoring the opponents because thats what you do when you execute a plan&#8230; </p>
<p>and they are behind on fulfiling things, so they pay less attention and get desperate. </p>
<p>they cant be doing this when other things happen, or else the latches will nto be in place and we can roll it back. </p>
<p>strategy and tactics is not average peoples strong points&#8230; if they were, this would be a more severe and less cooperative society.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[want to know why &quot;Grizzley Man&quot; and the woman he brought along with him died being torn apart by a very large bear?

they werent paranoid of large bears

&lt;i&gt;Grizzly Man is a 2005 documentary film by German director Werner Herzog. It chronicles the life and death of bear enthusiast Timothy Treadwell. The film consists of Treadwell&#039;s own footage of his interactions with grizzly bears before he and his girlfriend were killed and partially eaten by a bear in 2003, and of interviews with people who knew or were involved with Treadwell. The footage he shot was later found&lt;/i&gt;

and what about jennifer moore? 

&lt;i&gt;While discussing the recent rape and murder of 18-year-old Jennifer Moore during the August 2 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Bill O&#039;Reilly appeared to suggest that the clothing she was wearing at the time helped incite her killer. O&#039;Reilly discussed several factors that contributed to the &quot;moronic&quot; girl&#039;s rape and murder, including that she was drunk and wandering the streets of New York City alone late at night. But in addition to those factors, O&#039;Reilly added: &quot;She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at 2 in the morning.&quot;

According to news reports, Moore and a friend attended a nightclub in New York City on the night of July 26. After discovering that Moore&#039;s car had been towed late in the evening, the two girls -- for unknown reasons -- were separated, leaving Moore walking alone near the Hudson River. Moore was later raped and murdered, and her body was found in a garbage bin two days later.

&lt;/i&gt;

she wasnt paranoid enough of reality to stay alive. 


Christopher McCandless

another one... who wasnt paranoid enough to live in the wild... thought it woudl be easy... hiked into alaska wilderness like a lot of other greens.. 

found starved in a dilapidated school bus he was using for shelter. 

here is the point..

at what point is an irrational fear irrational? 

if your drunk and tiny, pretty, and mostly naked, was it irrational to have a fear about what could happen?   i would say no (feminists would have a different spin that she is not responsible. the difference si between theory in reality. in theory she should not have to worry, in reality she did). 

in the case of bears... all the times that they didnt get eaten allowed them to develop an irrational state of security...

and thats the rub.. 

paranoia is an irrational fear of something

i have no idea what being irrationally secure would be... 

but in case you dont realize, thats another inversion. the inversion of parnoia. 

the idea is to make you irrationally secure, so that you cant be rationally paranoid. 

then your defensless]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>want to know why &#8220;Grizzley Man&#8221; and the woman he brought along with him died being torn apart by a very large bear?</p>
<p>they werent paranoid of large bears</p>
<p><i>Grizzly Man is a 2005 documentary film by German director Werner Herzog. It chronicles the life and death of bear enthusiast Timothy Treadwell. The film consists of Treadwell&#8217;s own footage of his interactions with grizzly bears before he and his girlfriend were killed and partially eaten by a bear in 2003, and of interviews with people who knew or were involved with Treadwell. The footage he shot was later found</i></p>
<p>and what about jennifer moore? </p>
<p><i>While discussing the recent rape and murder of 18-year-old Jennifer Moore during the August 2 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Bill O&#8217;Reilly appeared to suggest that the clothing she was wearing at the time helped incite her killer. O&#8217;Reilly discussed several factors that contributed to the &#8220;moronic&#8221; girl&#8217;s rape and murder, including that she was drunk and wandering the streets of New York City alone late at night. But in addition to those factors, O&#8217;Reilly added: &#8220;She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at 2 in the morning.&#8221;</p>
<p>According to news reports, Moore and a friend attended a nightclub in New York City on the night of July 26. After discovering that Moore&#8217;s car had been towed late in the evening, the two girls &#8212; for unknown reasons &#8212; were separated, leaving Moore walking alone near the Hudson River. Moore was later raped and murdered, and her body was found in a garbage bin two days later.</p>
<p></i></p>
<p>she wasnt paranoid enough of reality to stay alive. </p>
<p>Christopher McCandless</p>
<p>another one&#8230; who wasnt paranoid enough to live in the wild&#8230; thought it woudl be easy&#8230; hiked into alaska wilderness like a lot of other greens.. </p>
<p>found starved in a dilapidated school bus he was using for shelter. </p>
<p>here is the point..</p>
<p>at what point is an irrational fear irrational? </p>
<p>if your drunk and tiny, pretty, and mostly naked, was it irrational to have a fear about what could happen?   i would say no (feminists would have a different spin that she is not responsible. the difference si between theory in reality. in theory she should not have to worry, in reality she did). </p>
<p>in the case of bears&#8230; all the times that they didnt get eaten allowed them to develop an irrational state of security&#8230;</p>
<p>and thats the rub.. </p>
<p>paranoia is an irrational fear of something</p>
<p>i have no idea what being irrationally secure would be&#8230; </p>
<p>but in case you dont realize, thats another inversion. the inversion of parnoia. </p>
<p>the idea is to make you irrationally secure, so that you cant be rationally paranoid. </p>
<p>then your defensless</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[second part... (it thought that intel link was spam)

&lt;b&gt;didnt you ever wonder why all the despots are paranoid? &lt;/b&gt;

if they werent they would never have stopped all the things that would have prevented them from acquiring their goal. 

that is, they were scared enough to cover the bases and take action to insure outcomes agaisnt unknowns. 

they win over the secure, lazy and sedate who are more paranoid about their own actions changing the course that they want for their lives. 

in essence, everyone holds still like a deer in the headlights hoping the scary thing will pass and they can go on with live with only the jitters that are now gone. 

they have not realized that the lives they planed have been stolen from them yet, and so they ahve nto realized that holding still will not work...

they are safe secure, and confident that once everyone finds out, someone else will do the work and that everything will be ok.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>second part&#8230; (it thought that intel link was spam)</p>
<p><b>didnt you ever wonder why all the despots are paranoid? </b></p>
<p>if they werent they would never have stopped all the things that would have prevented them from acquiring their goal. </p>
<p>that is, they were scared enough to cover the bases and take action to insure outcomes agaisnt unknowns. </p>
<p>they win over the secure, lazy and sedate who are more paranoid about their own actions changing the course that they want for their lives. </p>
<p>in essence, everyone holds still like a deer in the headlights hoping the scary thing will pass and they can go on with live with only the jitters that are now gone. </p>
<p>they have not realized that the lives they planed have been stolen from them yet, and so they ahve nto realized that holding still will not work&#8230;</p>
<p>they are safe secure, and confident that once everyone finds out, someone else will do the work and that everything will be ok.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[posts not going up for some reason again... 

&lt;i&gt;I agree that it’s dangerous to become so obsessed by our fears that we’re governed by them rather than the other way around – that way lies paranoia&lt;/i&gt;


&lt;i&gt;I&#039;m often credited with the motto, &quot;Only the paranoid survive.&quot; I have no idea when I first said this, but the fact remains that, when it comes to business, I believe in the value of paranoia. Business success contains the seeds of its own destruction. The more successful you are, the more people want a chunk of your business and then another chunk and then another until there is nothing left. I believe that the prime responsibility of a manager is to guard constantly against other people&#039;s attacks and to inculcate this guardian attitude in the people under his or her management. 
&lt;/i&gt;

do you fear tiny purple people with large pink noses are going to sniff and snort you to death? 

nope... and so you do nothing about them. 

same with tyrants and despots.. 

one must conceive before one can beleive, and paranoia makes the conceivable but unconscionable, possible

by the way, the quote is from the foudner of INTEL
Andrew S Grove (link deleted to get post to post)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>posts not going up for some reason again&#8230; </p>
<p><i>I agree that it’s dangerous to become so obsessed by our fears that we’re governed by them rather than the other way around – that way lies paranoia</i></p>
<p><i>I&#8217;m often credited with the motto, &#8220;Only the paranoid survive.&#8221; I have no idea when I first said this, but the fact remains that, when it comes to business, I believe in the value of paranoia. Business success contains the seeds of its own destruction. The more successful you are, the more people want a chunk of your business and then another chunk and then another until there is nothing left. I believe that the prime responsibility of a manager is to guard constantly against other people&#8217;s attacks and to inculcate this guardian attitude in the people under his or her management.<br />
</i></p>
<p>do you fear tiny purple people with large pink noses are going to sniff and snort you to death? </p>
<p>nope&#8230; and so you do nothing about them. </p>
<p>same with tyrants and despots.. </p>
<p>one must conceive before one can beleive, and paranoia makes the conceivable but unconscionable, possible</p>
<p>by the way, the quote is from the foudner of INTEL<br />
Andrew S Grove (link deleted to get post to post)</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I’ve recently been encouraged by the accelerating failures, ineptitude, shilly-shallying, tone-deafness, and dopey PR errors of this administration &lt;/i&gt;

thats only beacuse movies made the socialists out to be such capable and respectable opponents. 

what you dont know is how normal that ineptitude is, and how this kind of power grab requires that level of ineptitude!!! 

that is, they are cargo cult, so all despots are inept. they are made more inept seeming because what they implement can never work. 

however, you havent worked out the mechanics. i have revealed some of them. but its complicated. 

which is why they are winnign and inept, and we are losing and capable. 

hint, stupids are natural followers, the smart are natural what?  you can get 500 dumb people to fight for you and die for you, you cant get 20 smart people to decide quickly what to have for lunch. 

so its not the incompetent there, its the competent there in another sphere!!! 

in the sphere of force, the smart are too stupid to act right. they can rationlize what the dumb cant. 

oh.. one other thing...  the dumb will not follow the smart, they think they are being manupualted, the dumb follow the slightly smarter, who follow the smarter. 

so the much smarter capable people are not in your sight. they are the string pullers behind the incompetents. 

after all, would you give so much power to a person working for you who could competently weild it without your help and make you incapable of taking that power back? 

of course though...  everyone has been so right in their analysis... 

just go back and read the others and read what i said, and see who has been AHEAD of the curve. 

my failure has been to get you guys ahead of it, rather than trailing just behind it. 

that is your mostly reactionary, and communists are not reactionaries, they are actionaries. meanign they make things happen unnaturally. 

so if your reacting to them, then who is winning? 

anyone want to explain ooda loops?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’ve recently been encouraged by the accelerating failures, ineptitude, shilly-shallying, tone-deafness, and dopey PR errors of this administration </i></p>
<p>thats only beacuse movies made the socialists out to be such capable and respectable opponents. </p>
<p>what you dont know is how normal that ineptitude is, and how this kind of power grab requires that level of ineptitude!!! </p>
<p>that is, they are cargo cult, so all despots are inept. they are made more inept seeming because what they implement can never work. </p>
<p>however, you havent worked out the mechanics. i have revealed some of them. but its complicated. </p>
<p>which is why they are winnign and inept, and we are losing and capable. </p>
<p>hint, stupids are natural followers, the smart are natural what?  you can get 500 dumb people to fight for you and die for you, you cant get 20 smart people to decide quickly what to have for lunch. </p>
<p>so its not the incompetent there, its the competent there in another sphere!!! </p>
<p>in the sphere of force, the smart are too stupid to act right. they can rationlize what the dumb cant. </p>
<p>oh.. one other thing&#8230;  the dumb will not follow the smart, they think they are being manupualted, the dumb follow the slightly smarter, who follow the smarter. </p>
<p>so the much smarter capable people are not in your sight. they are the string pullers behind the incompetents. </p>
<p>after all, would you give so much power to a person working for you who could competently weild it without your help and make you incapable of taking that power back? </p>
<p>of course though&#8230;  everyone has been so right in their analysis&#8230; </p>
<p>just go back and read the others and read what i said, and see who has been AHEAD of the curve. </p>
<p>my failure has been to get you guys ahead of it, rather than trailing just behind it. </p>
<p>that is your mostly reactionary, and communists are not reactionaries, they are actionaries. meanign they make things happen unnaturally. </p>
<p>so if your reacting to them, then who is winning? </p>
<p>anyone want to explain ooda loops?</p>
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