just keep holding on to them, and dont let go…

then wait…

thats all you need to do to beat them…

[if they wanted us to leave, they only have to cease fighting for 5 months. i explained this long ago when the main thing we worried about was what bush was doing in iraq]

how do you beat them here?
easy..

one nuke way out off the coast on each side…

all our electronics shuts down, including obamas blackberry…

the crisis for the biggest cities and feeding them, and the lack of ability of the people, with gangs whose numbers nationally are in 100k range slugging it out.

how could they defend?

remember, we have only a couple of weeks of munitions for full scale stuff.

we havent enough manufacturing capacity, nor experience and even worse its supporting infrastructure..

as i said in another post, we have been stripped of our manufacturing capacity, intellectual property, expertise, capacity, and now the last part… capital.

who would loan us enough to win a world war? we spent that money now.

Same way you know he’ll do it for political expediency.

Maybe even the same way you know both of us can’t read minds. I know no such thing, of course, and I wouldn’t presume to say, especially lacking evidence.

Ymarsakar, say more.

I came across an interesting historical incident in American past. Read up on the election of the 6th US President and the role Andrew Jackson played in it.

Very interesting for modern times.

Extremely well put, JKB.

mostly i read the releases of new laws, other papers to get a thread to follow on my own, etc.

i read the copenhagen thing after reading lord monckton, who is like me. incredibly educated, but unlike me, he can talk to others and convey better. (top education and such can do that, when lower education with similar skills leads to ostracism, alienation, and no one to work and learn your skills from. adults are very impatient)

again. i thank you for your comment.

however if i say things that short, for some reason it leaves me open to challenge, and if i say them long, i am challened by length so they dont have to read the piece that boxes the point in.

either way, i lose the discussion, either by not making a point due to brevity and incredulity, or by making the point to which the challenger refuses to listen to it and moves on pretending they won, acting like they won, etc.

be warned though, i do not listen to tin hat places, or do i listen to the people who populate them. they are shills mostly… (ever notice how they have very little as to the other sides, but always have something nasty on us?)

i just read history, tons of news, lots of technical science papers, and so on.

the fact that so many facts fall into seeming tin hat territory tells me they serve a purpose to create a falsifier factory… that is if you cant falsefy the big picture by argument, swaying, propaganda, etc. then let the tin hatters run with it all over, and no one will pay attention to the key information.

if the north american union actually happens thanks to copenhagen, it means that they, the tin hatters, have been running interference…

As for Europe, well they appear to be teenagers, who’ve been eager to expound their theories on how the world should be, but now faced with the terrifying prospect that dad has had a breakdown and the time has come when they have to step up to pay the mortgage and keep the world at bay and the family safe.

Doug Macgregor, a retired Army colonel and military historian, says the emphasis on having conventional forces trying to win over the population is futile.

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Dashing from boulder to boulder, diving into trenches and ducking behind stone walls as the insurgents maneuvered to outflank us, we waited more than an hour for U.S. helicopters to arrive, despite earlier assurances that air cover would be five minutes away.

“We are pinned down. We are running low on ammo. We have no air. We’ve lost today,” Marine Maj. Kevin Williams, 37, said through his translator to his Afghan counterpart, responding to the latter’s repeated demands for helicopters.

they are reconstructing vietnam by shifting the war to the office of everything, as it was in germany, russia, cuba, etc. that is, in such cultish power structures, everything comes from the leader, including how to fight battles as the leader is the omniscient one with lesser partially omniscients right in his office.

they do what such despots allways do when not faced with actual problem (or wanting the opposite outcome than what theya re there for), and that is hobble things with their own choices and pet theories of how things should be.

that those with the communist socialist bent have some inner idea that they have simplified the world so much they can clearly see how to add blue dots and improve everything. (marketing always adds blue dots when they want to make something improve and have nothing to improve it with. from certs with retsin, tide, to new undarm antipersperant. blue dots are their secret 🙂 )

imagine that you elected religious fanatics who decied to make choices from their religion. who feel that because they are the leaders they are the gods of men and that through some divine something (carefully acted on but seldome noticed), they know what answers and how things work (even though thtey cant explain how they work) and that every idea that comes to their head that is different than what is actually being done is an improvement.

all one has to do is look how kids do division in school to say wtf, and understand this process of never settling on best anything as something different is always better (even if it isnt).

the brain trust of FDR improved the economy, and extended the depression and really hurt american people.

the bean counters in teh basement trying to administer a war by the only eyes they have, which are reports. and so war ended up being a practice of fighting to the report, not fighting to win. (if war is about dead people, then body count becomes a proxy for winning. problem is that unless your going to eradicate everyone body count does not mean what they assume it means)

and now in this war, the idea is to have a completely clean war. however they are not even positioned to fight such. while smart bombs and our techniques visited and designed by us, have creaetd the situation of the most separation of civilians and combatants ever in wars history, they have not made war perfect.

however, i dont think most here can see the trend. the trend has been to suggest anything and push our ideals to a point of ridiculousness in the effort to make a fighting force that cant fight and win.

however the frustration for the ruling class as to individualism, is that we did what they thought was impossible on any level. we cleaned up war and raised the bar of action to a point no other nation could compete morally.

however if you look this is a constant practice. after all, what do you think putting women in combat is for? better combat? they cant carry the same pack weight, run the same distances, and on and on. period. this doesnt mean that they cant take jobs in the military, it means that unlike the men they cant fill a lot of them, especially front line situations. they also suffer more somatic deseases, and problem than the men do. they suicide more often than the men do. they kill themselves with the equipment more than the men do.

so in essence the left keeps raising the moral bar of our own ideals to the ridiculous and absurd, then they restrict the money needed to do that since like any LUXURY, such wasteful choices cost more.
[if we only wanted to sweep in and kill indiscriminately and really use force, we would not need such a large military industrial complex. but guided munitions, robotics, sensors and all that stuff geared for making distinctions, cause the beast to have to be bigger and more funded than otherwise]

this is a war that the left wants to lose because losing a war you can win against people who cant really fight, and fight so dirty emboldens others to fight for communism and win, and creates a malaise that they can keep alive and polish and visit on us constantly for the next 50 years.

if they were around at the time we would probably still be hearing about other failures of ours magnified and carried forward way beyond their significance for a purpose.

MC Crystal has decided that he will lose the war while trying to make it look that they are reaching higher standards. in essence, we cant fight and win, because our standards are so high, that a large gang with no country can beat us.

this is about as good as when the US womens hockey team was beaten badely by a high school boys hockey team…

Rove notes a WaPo photo of Obama’s “War Cabinet” included images of Axelrod and Robert Gibbs in the meeting. Rove calls it “highly unusual” to have a political aide and a Press Secretary inside such a meeting. Re Press Secretary, Rove points out that you don’t want your Press Secretary having to lie about information he may not need to know.

Something else I didn’t know: Obama Admin. sent a political aide to try and help Karzai’s opponent get elected President. Chicago Rules? Yes. Dignity, integrity, honor, wisdom? No.

I think this is mostly true of Europeans in general, however I think thier leadership (elected or not) is smarter than this.

I think they thought they could run both lines against each other. That is they could play that pacifist card and let the Americans be the aggressors. They could get their cake and eat it too.

I think they never really believed Obama in what he said, they also bought the koolaid so many did that Obama was playing some complex game of Rope-a-Dope and that his soft rhetoric was just that.

As the realization comes in that he was, well, not so much playing that game and his consistent rhetoric that was “obviously” the rope-a-dope game was truthfully his ideas we are seeing several different stages.

We have seen the amusement and ridicule as we fall, yet we are starting to see the realization that without the police Bad Things can Happen. France is a great example – it took how many months for it to turn from mirth to real worry? I do truly think people like Sarkozy never truly internalized the idea that Obama who is who he is – he still thought that any American is still that “cowboy” and is starting to realize what the world with no super-power(s) is.

It is still a slow thing for many to see it here in the US – too many are enamored of the idea that our President can not be that way. I hope it doesn’t take Obama getting a second term where he cares *nothing* about re-election given how he has done whilst still worried about it.

Rush Limbaugh speaking about Gordon Brown: “…We think his comments are aimed at the votes in UK. I think it’s aimed at his fellow globalists who will have the power to enrich him personally by putting him in charge of something very powerful if he is defeated. So he’s covering his bases both ways. I mean it’s a den of thieves, Micah, the way these people operate. They go in and out of government, from their think tanks, to their UN agencies, to the media. It’s a giant revolving door. …”

Wow, this is the first time I am aware of Rush speaking of “globalist”. This was part of a talk on Copenhagen.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_101909/content/01125110.guest.html