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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Assistant Village Idiot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps he should just rename Guantanamo Bay.  I understand &quot;Neverland&quot; is now available.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps he should just rename Guantanamo Bay.  I understand &#8220;Neverland&#8221; is now available.</p>
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		By: Vieux Charles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vieux Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From the invasion of Iraq to the detention of al Qaeda, from NSA wiretapping to waterboarding the entire momentum of the leftist (and consequently the democrat party) has been a mandate against the hard actuality of a harsh world. It has been a contest between ideals and reality, adolescence and adulthood, hope and tough choices.

And what of Barack Obama? Is he as naive as his starry-eyed throng, or has he just been manipulating them all along. Perhaps it is just his unique blend of of dishonesty and incompetence, or maybe he has a unique set of skills that was never meant for an American President; fate missing its mark, mistakenly putting an East African autocrat into a Hawaiian maternity ward.

Many of the independent voters are coming around. The multitudes of unactualized blacks have no perceived incentive to show up at the polls in 2010. For fourteen more long months pipe dreams and childish fantasy will hold their supermajority over American government. Only then will the country will begin to emerge from its current prepubescent state.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the invasion of Iraq to the detention of al Qaeda, from NSA wiretapping to waterboarding the entire momentum of the leftist (and consequently the democrat party) has been a mandate against the hard actuality of a harsh world. It has been a contest between ideals and reality, adolescence and adulthood, hope and tough choices.</p>
<p>And what of Barack Obama? Is he as naive as his starry-eyed throng, or has he just been manipulating them all along. Perhaps it is just his unique blend of of dishonesty and incompetence, or maybe he has a unique set of skills that was never meant for an American President; fate missing its mark, mistakenly putting an East African autocrat into a Hawaiian maternity ward.</p>
<p>Many of the independent voters are coming around. The multitudes of unactualized blacks have no perceived incentive to show up at the polls in 2010. For fourteen more long months pipe dreams and childish fantasy will hold their supermajority over American government. Only then will the country will begin to emerge from its current prepubescent state.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the things that make people on the left (who are not fellow travelers), is their belief that there is more power in the US offices than there is (to act directly like a king), and that when things are not done, they are not done because of desire, not ability, or other issues. 

this is a mental thing that is fomented and kept fresh. you can see it all over, but since its all over, you dont see it until pointed out.  collect a bunch of interviews with leftists, high up, low down, etc. 

when they talk about other administrations, people, etc. their perception and understanding of circumstances is always simplified to &quot;you just dont want to&quot;.  

and when things dont work out for them its always a paranoid &quot;professor morairty (the conservative behemoth that is invisable - the invisable other  capitalism, oppressors), has foiled our plans&quot;.

this attitude or understanding, or world view, or schema, or whatever you want to call it to understand it, is cultivated because it foments hate out of every situation where something someone wants is not being done and they have little knowlege of the process by which it works. they embody the 60s idea of &quot;we dont want to understand it, we just want to tear it down&quot;,.  

so with the war, they dont want wars, and the war is going on, and any real powerful person, like a president can just say no to it. if they arent, then they must like war and must want war, and enjoy war, and so deserves my utmost contempt and disrespect.  (social exclusionary principals - and when they dont walk away, they just get bigger and bigger till you have effigies, etc). 

so if one is raised on all this and has these right attitudes, then one will step up to the plate before one is fully cognizant (which one cant be in such a framework if its believed, not used), and will believe that such things are just will and not method. 

he wills it, and so shall it be... 

its a misalignment of expectations and functional understanding of proccess, with a constant way to look at it, being applied, so as to increase hate or anger and be able to direct it by describing things in certain contexts and ways.  ie, they are keyed to things being presented in a certain way that makes it easy for them to become indignant and then angry and know who to direct it at (the designated ones to blame, the oppressors, etc). and once they know who to direct it they call their ire justice, so its ok for them to do it, and not the other way around (as those things are not santified as ok).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things that make people on the left (who are not fellow travelers), is their belief that there is more power in the US offices than there is (to act directly like a king), and that when things are not done, they are not done because of desire, not ability, or other issues. </p>
<p>this is a mental thing that is fomented and kept fresh. you can see it all over, but since its all over, you dont see it until pointed out.  collect a bunch of interviews with leftists, high up, low down, etc. </p>
<p>when they talk about other administrations, people, etc. their perception and understanding of circumstances is always simplified to &#8220;you just dont want to&#8221;.  </p>
<p>and when things dont work out for them its always a paranoid &#8220;professor morairty (the conservative behemoth that is invisable &#8211; the invisable other  capitalism, oppressors), has foiled our plans&#8221;.</p>
<p>this attitude or understanding, or world view, or schema, or whatever you want to call it to understand it, is cultivated because it foments hate out of every situation where something someone wants is not being done and they have little knowlege of the process by which it works. they embody the 60s idea of &#8220;we dont want to understand it, we just want to tear it down&#8221;,.  </p>
<p>so with the war, they dont want wars, and the war is going on, and any real powerful person, like a president can just say no to it. if they arent, then they must like war and must want war, and enjoy war, and so deserves my utmost contempt and disrespect.  (social exclusionary principals &#8211; and when they dont walk away, they just get bigger and bigger till you have effigies, etc). </p>
<p>so if one is raised on all this and has these right attitudes, then one will step up to the plate before one is fully cognizant (which one cant be in such a framework if its believed, not used), and will believe that such things are just will and not method. </p>
<p>he wills it, and so shall it be&#8230; </p>
<p>its a misalignment of expectations and functional understanding of proccess, with a constant way to look at it, being applied, so as to increase hate or anger and be able to direct it by describing things in certain contexts and ways.  ie, they are keyed to things being presented in a certain way that makes it easy for them to become indignant and then angry and know who to direct it at (the designated ones to blame, the oppressors, etc). and once they know who to direct it they call their ire justice, so its ok for them to do it, and not the other way around (as those things are not santified as ok).</p>
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		By: Thomass		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aron Sperber Says: 

&quot;USA keep potential terrorists who are operating international in future when they are neither fitting in US law nor in in international rules (which are only saying what you can not do angaist war-prisoners - but are not giving any answers how to finght international terrorism)&quot;

Gets messy since some of the international community has ratified treaties to give terrorists war prisoner rights and they then assume this is international law for everyone... even though we never ratified it and it does not.

Our domestic law has a category for these types but even Bush didn’t have the guts to wheel it out. They fit neatly into the categories reserved for pirates… people who could be executed on the spot when captured if they were too dangerous to send home for trial… Otherwise, they could be executed after the trial… If we want to go international law, under our interpretation of international law they fall right into war criminal status…]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aron Sperber Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;USA keep potential terrorists who are operating international in future when they are neither fitting in US law nor in in international rules (which are only saying what you can not do angaist war-prisoners &#8211; but are not giving any answers how to finght international terrorism)&#8221;</p>
<p>Gets messy since some of the international community has ratified treaties to give terrorists war prisoner rights and they then assume this is international law for everyone&#8230; even though we never ratified it and it does not.</p>
<p>Our domestic law has a category for these types but even Bush didn’t have the guts to wheel it out. They fit neatly into the categories reserved for pirates… people who could be executed on the spot when captured if they were too dangerous to send home for trial… Otherwise, they could be executed after the trial… If we want to go international law, under our interpretation of international law they fall right into war criminal status…</p>
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		By: Synova		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Synova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 07:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t use Georgia or Australia as a penal colony.

It will have to be Mars.  ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t use Georgia or Australia as a penal colony.</p>
<p>It will have to be Mars.  😉</p>
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		By: Perfected democrat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/09/26/obama-and-guantanamo-promises-schmomises-and-a-case-of-utter-incompetence/#comment-127082</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Perfected democrat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 07:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Administration Will Cut Border Patrol Deployed on U.S-Mexico Border&quot; - from http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/54514

Obungler (and company) is a deliberate enabler, staying just below the proverbial radar screen where the myopic masses are too busy, too tired, or too shallow to look...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Administration Will Cut Border Patrol Deployed on U.S-Mexico Border&#8221; &#8211; from <a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/54514" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/54514</a></p>
<p>Obungler (and company) is a deliberate enabler, staying just below the proverbial radar screen where the myopic masses are too busy, too tired, or too shallow to look&#8230;</p>
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		By: Perfected democrat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Perfected democrat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obungler isn&#039;t incompetent, though most Democrats may well be, he is a dedicated radical left-wing closet-moslem revolutionary of the white-collar crime variety, everything he has promoted or accomplished reflects that fact...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obungler isn&#8217;t incompetent, though most Democrats may well be, he is a dedicated radical left-wing closet-moslem revolutionary of the white-collar crime variety, everything he has promoted or accomplished reflects that fact&#8230;</p>
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		By: davis,br		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[davis,br]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;It occurs to me that Britain’s release of the Lockerbie bomber may have been a bit of payback for the Ulghurs&lt;/em&gt;

Bingo.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It occurs to me that Britain’s release of the Lockerbie bomber may have been a bit of payback for the Ulghurs</em></p>
<p>Bingo.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 04:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It’s possible that the dems have so hammered Bush that, by necessity, the Gitmo Goons are innocent. &lt;/i&gt;

I would take this as the epitome of sophomoric reasoning, viz., that the options before one necessarily sum to zero.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s possible that the dems have so hammered Bush that, by necessity, the Gitmo Goons are innocent. </i></p>
<p>I would take this as the epitome of sophomoric reasoning, viz., that the options before one necessarily sum to zero.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You just can&#039;t make this stuff up.
Combine the total, deliberate ignorance of the actual facts and the sneering scorn directed at the Bush admin and you have more clustercrunches than this.
I&#039;d like to find out who thought sticking the Uighurs into Bermuda without any consult with the Brits was a good idea. I&#039;d like to shoot him full of sodium pentothal and ask him what he really thought was the up side and what about the downside.
Jeez.
It&#039;s possible that the dems have so hammered Bush that, by necessity, the Gitmo Goons are innocent.  What if the dems actually believed that?  It never occurred to me that they actually did.  But it looks as if they had.
Wow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just can&#8217;t make this stuff up.<br />
Combine the total, deliberate ignorance of the actual facts and the sneering scorn directed at the Bush admin and you have more clustercrunches than this.<br />
I&#8217;d like to find out who thought sticking the Uighurs into Bermuda without any consult with the Brits was a good idea. I&#8217;d like to shoot him full of sodium pentothal and ask him what he really thought was the up side and what about the downside.<br />
Jeez.<br />
It&#8217;s possible that the dems have so hammered Bush that, by necessity, the Gitmo Goons are innocent.  What if the dems actually believed that?  It never occurred to me that they actually did.  But it looks as if they had.<br />
Wow.</p>
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