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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/26/leon-panetta-how-does-it-feel-under-the-bus/#comment-122944</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cylar: I hear you. 

I don&#039;t believe anything goes with these non-uniformed combatants. However, I do say the US is behaving with exceptional concern in extraordinary circumstances.

Consider that the French police massacred 40-200 Algerians demonstrating in Paris in 1961 and kept it covered up until 1998. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961

It&#039;s clear to me that Obama and the Democrats are cynically exploiting the situation for their gain and little concern for our country and those who work hard and at considerable risk to keep us all safe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cylar: I hear you. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe anything goes with these non-uniformed combatants. However, I do say the US is behaving with exceptional concern in extraordinary circumstances.</p>
<p>Consider that the French police massacred 40-200 Algerians demonstrating in Paris in 1961 and kept it covered up until 1998. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear to me that Obama and the Democrats are cynically exploiting the situation for their gain and little concern for our country and those who work hard and at considerable risk to keep us all safe.</p>
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		By: Cylar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/26/leon-panetta-how-does-it-feel-under-the-bus/#comment-122914</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cylar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m still scratching my head over the question of why I should care what happens to these people while in US custody. I&#039;ve heard about enough of this notion that we&#039;re &quot;above&quot; this behavior or that one. Our policies at Gitmo and on the actual battlefields, are handicapping our ability to prosecute these wars.

Two points:

A) We&#039;re in the middle of a war - a real one of bombs and bullets, and not just some optional &quot;police action&quot; at that, but in fact a battle for our very survival. Nothing less than a clash of civilizations, really. It&#039;s one of those times in history where the ends are more likely to justify the means. If we lose, then I promise you that those who are squeamish about prisoners&#039; rights will be the first to be put up against the wall and shot. If they&#039;re lucky.

B) These are stateless terrorists we are fighting, of a loosely-organized stateless network, not officially uniformed and claimed by any state in particular. The countries from which they hail generally are not signatories to the Geneva Conventions or any other agreement on wartime conduct anyway. The GC&#039;s are almost pointless as it is unlikely the US will be going to war against any of the other signatories.

C) These men act like animals on the battlefield, not soldiers, disregarding all pretense of civilized behavior or the &quot;rules&quot; which have governed warfare for thousands of years. They hide behind civilians, they store weapons in religious buildings, they blend in with the crowd, they torture their own people as &quot;collaborators,&quot; they indiscriminately attack with car bombs, roadside bombs, mortars, rockets, and suicide bombers. They brutally execute US servicemen and contractors. Soldiers are put in POW camps and interrogated, but they are treated like human beings. Animals, by contrast, are enslaved, beaten, and then executed when their usefulness is at an end.

I won&#039;t even get started on the absurdity of allowing Korans, prayer rugs, and imams into Gitmo. You think they hand out Bibles to our our men taken captive?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still scratching my head over the question of why I should care what happens to these people while in US custody. I&#8217;ve heard about enough of this notion that we&#8217;re &#8220;above&#8221; this behavior or that one. Our policies at Gitmo and on the actual battlefields, are handicapping our ability to prosecute these wars.</p>
<p>Two points:</p>
<p>A) We&#8217;re in the middle of a war &#8211; a real one of bombs and bullets, and not just some optional &#8220;police action&#8221; at that, but in fact a battle for our very survival. Nothing less than a clash of civilizations, really. It&#8217;s one of those times in history where the ends are more likely to justify the means. If we lose, then I promise you that those who are squeamish about prisoners&#8217; rights will be the first to be put up against the wall and shot. If they&#8217;re lucky.</p>
<p>B) These are stateless terrorists we are fighting, of a loosely-organized stateless network, not officially uniformed and claimed by any state in particular. The countries from which they hail generally are not signatories to the Geneva Conventions or any other agreement on wartime conduct anyway. The GC&#8217;s are almost pointless as it is unlikely the US will be going to war against any of the other signatories.</p>
<p>C) These men act like animals on the battlefield, not soldiers, disregarding all pretense of civilized behavior or the &#8220;rules&#8221; which have governed warfare for thousands of years. They hide behind civilians, they store weapons in religious buildings, they blend in with the crowd, they torture their own people as &#8220;collaborators,&#8221; they indiscriminately attack with car bombs, roadside bombs, mortars, rockets, and suicide bombers. They brutally execute US servicemen and contractors. Soldiers are put in POW camps and interrogated, but they are treated like human beings. Animals, by contrast, are enslaved, beaten, and then executed when their usefulness is at an end.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t even get started on the absurdity of allowing Korans, prayer rugs, and imams into Gitmo. You think they hand out Bibles to our our men taken captive?</p>
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		By: Nolanimrod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nolanimrod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Like those two desperadoes care about what&#039;s best for the country.  Now pull the other one.  Call Marc Rich if you have any questions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like those two desperadoes care about what&#8217;s best for the country.  Now pull the other one.  Call Marc Rich if you have any questions.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/26/leon-panetta-how-does-it-feel-under-the-bus/#comment-122732</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Meanwhile, Obama gets Holder to do what he does and pretends they are at cross purposes, that Holder isn’t doing something Obama authorized. Just as Obama pretends that Panetta’s objections were something that surprised Obama.&lt;/i&gt;

Ymarsakar: It&#039;s possible, but given how generally incompetent and overmatched Team Obama is -- half of their appointed positions unfulfilled and the rest filled with tax dodgers and Clinton retreads -- that hypothesis is a stretch for me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Meanwhile, Obama gets Holder to do what he does and pretends they are at cross purposes, that Holder isn’t doing something Obama authorized. Just as Obama pretends that Panetta’s objections were something that surprised Obama.</i></p>
<p>Ymarsakar: It&#8217;s possible, but given how generally incompetent and overmatched Team Obama is &#8212; half of their appointed positions unfulfilled and the rest filled with tax dodgers and Clinton retreads &#8212; that hypothesis is a stretch for me.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/26/leon-panetta-how-does-it-feel-under-the-bus/#comment-122697</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Btw, the CIA&#039;s attempts against Bush was small fry compared to the de-throned high level FBI figure that illegally ordered searches of Ayers and company&#039;s residences and gave propaganda and insider material to the Watergate reporters.

Mark Felt. That was a successful operation. One wonders if Nixon even knew about what the FBI were or were not doing, whether he truly understood just how corrupt the FBI was from Hoover&#039;s internal spy rings. Nixon wanted to fight the media. That&#039;s a noble goal. He should have paid more attention to his back, like Sarah Palin should have.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, the CIA&#8217;s attempts against Bush was small fry compared to the de-throned high level FBI figure that illegally ordered searches of Ayers and company&#8217;s residences and gave propaganda and insider material to the Watergate reporters.</p>
<p>Mark Felt. That was a successful operation. One wonders if Nixon even knew about what the FBI were or were not doing, whether he truly understood just how corrupt the FBI was from Hoover&#8217;s internal spy rings. Nixon wanted to fight the media. That&#8217;s a noble goal. He should have paid more attention to his back, like Sarah Palin should have.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/26/leon-panetta-how-does-it-feel-under-the-bus/#comment-122696</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;He’d be a man Obama would learn to fear.&lt;/b&gt;

He lacks the requisite ruthlessness and time to create a network. Kennedy had the power, time, influence, and wealth to do so in the Senate, and you can see how much impact he had on crashing America. That&#039;s a man no Republican or Democrat wanted to make an enemy of. COurse he is dead now and that&#039;s God&#039;s gift, which I see as the honest truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>He’d be a man Obama would learn to fear.</b></p>
<p>He lacks the requisite ruthlessness and time to create a network. Kennedy had the power, time, influence, and wealth to do so in the Senate, and you can see how much impact he had on crashing America. That&#8217;s a man no Republican or Democrat wanted to make an enemy of. COurse he is dead now and that&#8217;s God&#8217;s gift, which I see as the honest truth.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/26/leon-panetta-how-does-it-feel-under-the-bus/#comment-122695</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, I want you to consider that they really aren&#039;t working at cross purposes.

Instead, I want you to consider that they are working for a political interest of theirs.

(And No, I wouldn&#039;t misread your post ; )

I am writing about Obama and Panetta, of course. Wouldn&#039;t it be a good thing, in order to keep the CIA in check and punish leaks, to have their own Golden boy that the CIA could look towards for protection from Obama? Meanwhile, Obama gets Holder to do what he does and pretends they are at cross purposes, that Holder isn&#039;t doing something Obama authorized. Just as Obama pretends that Panetta&#039;s objections were something that surprised Obama.

Ah, what a web we weave when we first practice deceit. It&#039;s a good learning experience for the ignorant voters of this nation. Learn propaganda, deception, and manipulation. THen maybe you can vote America&#039;s best interests along with your own.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, I want you to consider that they really aren&#8217;t working at cross purposes.</p>
<p>Instead, I want you to consider that they are working for a political interest of theirs.</p>
<p>(And No, I wouldn&#8217;t misread your post ; )</p>
<p>I am writing about Obama and Panetta, of course. Wouldn&#8217;t it be a good thing, in order to keep the CIA in check and punish leaks, to have their own Golden boy that the CIA could look towards for protection from Obama? Meanwhile, Obama gets Holder to do what he does and pretends they are at cross purposes, that Holder isn&#8217;t doing something Obama authorized. Just as Obama pretends that Panetta&#8217;s objections were something that surprised Obama.</p>
<p>Ah, what a web we weave when we first practice deceit. It&#8217;s a good learning experience for the ignorant voters of this nation. Learn propaganda, deception, and manipulation. THen maybe you can vote America&#8217;s best interests along with your own.</p>
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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/26/leon-panetta-how-does-it-feel-under-the-bus/#comment-122688</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Assistant Village Idiot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Davidt, I think the characterization &quot;The Bert Lahr of the Senate&quot; is more apt.

tap tap tap...is this thing on?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davidt, I think the characterization &#8220;The Bert Lahr of the Senate&#8221; is more apt.</p>
<p>tap tap tap&#8230;is this thing on?</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/26/leon-panetta-how-does-it-feel-under-the-bus/#comment-122685</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Washington is corrupt. &lt;b&gt;Washington has made itself the enemy of the American people&lt;/b&gt; is what&#039;s happening. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,542521,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pat Caddell&lt;/b&gt;, interviewed by Glenn Beck on Fox News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Boy, here&#039;s a must-read. Caddell has been a long-time political consultants for Democratic presidential candidates from McGovern to Carter to Hart to Biden and Brown. He still considers himself a Democrat but has broken with the party. 

Caddell believes that the current Democratic Party was mutated from being a party for the Common Man to being &quot;&lt;b&gt;elitist and it believes that it knows best&lt;/b&gt;...&quot;

I&#039;ll have to add Pat Caddell to my list of principled Democrats.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Washington is corrupt. <b>Washington has made itself the enemy of the American people</b> is what&#8217;s happening. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,542521,00.html" rel="nofollow"><b>Pat Caddell</b>, interviewed by Glenn Beck on Fox News</a></i></p>
<p>Boy, here&#8217;s a must-read. Caddell has been a long-time political consultants for Democratic presidential candidates from McGovern to Carter to Hart to Biden and Brown. He still considers himself a Democrat but has broken with the party. </p>
<p>Caddell believes that the current Democratic Party was mutated from being a party for the Common Man to being &#8220;<b>elitist and it believes that it knows best</b>&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to add Pat Caddell to my list of principled Democrats.</p>
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		By: Baklava		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/26/leon-panetta-how-does-it-feel-under-the-bus/#comment-122666</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baklava]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In short Logern. You&#039;ve been a liar.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In short Logern. You&#8217;ve been a liar.</p>
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