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		By: RPF		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/21/noonan-on-the-flaws-in-obamas-health-care-reform/#comment-122395</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RPF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[grackle,

You said the following

&lt;i&gt;She will, of course, vote for Obama in the next Presidential election. Ideology always trumps commonsense.&lt;/i&gt;

I am a Democrat and like Ann I also voted for Bush in 2004 and Obama in 2009, (yes Ann voted Bush in 2004) I believe she may have also voted for other Republicans ss I have.  I seriously doubt she will vote for Obama next time and would bet money on it. 

Ideology does not trump common sense as you say, I believe it is usually Party prejudice that trumps ideology, this is why some people will only accept some things only if the Party they are affiliated Party implements it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>grackle,</p>
<p>You said the following</p>
<p><i>She will, of course, vote for Obama in the next Presidential election. Ideology always trumps commonsense.</i></p>
<p>I am a Democrat and like Ann I also voted for Bush in 2004 and Obama in 2009, (yes Ann voted Bush in 2004) I believe she may have also voted for other Republicans ss I have.  I seriously doubt she will vote for Obama next time and would bet money on it. </p>
<p>Ideology does not trump common sense as you say, I believe it is usually Party prejudice that trumps ideology, this is why some people will only accept some things only if the Party they are affiliated Party implements it.</p>
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		By: grackle		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/21/noonan-on-the-flaws-in-obamas-health-care-reform/#comment-122231</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grackle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;If they had half a brain, they’d blame the Republicans for obstructing reform and run for the hills and pray to god the economy recovers.&lt;/i&gt;

It looks to me that is kind of what they are doing. I’ve read that whatever real economic stimulus that was in the Stimulus Package was designed to have its effect just before the next Congressional election. If the economy even LOOKS like its recovering we’ll be hearing, “It’s the economy, stupid.” It if doesn’t look good, news about the economy will be muted as much as it can be in the MSM. We’ll be hearing happy talk from the MSM and the Whitehouse. 

Obama is good at the blame game, has been blaming Bush all along and now he has started blaming the Repubs for the intense healthcare debate and lack of the public’s acceptance — it’s a conspiracy now. 

I have also heard that the Dems intend to hold immigration reform hearings just before the election. They want to bleed more Latino votes. 

Oh, they have plans, never think they don’t. 

&lt;i&gt;I do excuse Althouse, though I do understand why one may decide not to. I exclude her for 3 reasons…

1) she is a Democrat&lt;/i&gt;

I was so astounded by this piece of info that I looked her up on Wiki and found out that indeed, yes, she IS a lifelong Democrat. I frequented her blog for years assuming she was a just right of center conservative. Why, I even wrote a negative comment when she seemed to agree too much with a liberal on a Bloggingheads appearance. It was while watching that Bloggingheads video I first learned she voted for Obama. Now, of course, it all makes sense. 

I wonder how many of her loyal readers realize Ann is a closet Dem. I mean she NEVER breaths a word about her political party affiliation. Come to think of it, she has always played it noncommittal with her political posts. 

She will, of course, vote for Obama in the next Presidential election. Ideology always trumps commonsense. 

I’m afraid now to look up Megan McArdle, my latest enthusiasm, on Wiki for fear I’ll find out she belongs to the Communist Party, or something.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If they had half a brain, they’d blame the Republicans for obstructing reform and run for the hills and pray to god the economy recovers.</i></p>
<p>It looks to me that is kind of what they are doing. I’ve read that whatever real economic stimulus that was in the Stimulus Package was designed to have its effect just before the next Congressional election. If the economy even LOOKS like its recovering we’ll be hearing, “It’s the economy, stupid.” It if doesn’t look good, news about the economy will be muted as much as it can be in the MSM. We’ll be hearing happy talk from the MSM and the Whitehouse. </p>
<p>Obama is good at the blame game, has been blaming Bush all along and now he has started blaming the Repubs for the intense healthcare debate and lack of the public’s acceptance — it’s a conspiracy now. </p>
<p>I have also heard that the Dems intend to hold immigration reform hearings just before the election. They want to bleed more Latino votes. </p>
<p>Oh, they have plans, never think they don’t. </p>
<p><i>I do excuse Althouse, though I do understand why one may decide not to. I exclude her for 3 reasons…</p>
<p>1) she is a Democrat</i></p>
<p>I was so astounded by this piece of info that I looked her up on Wiki and found out that indeed, yes, she IS a lifelong Democrat. I frequented her blog for years assuming she was a just right of center conservative. Why, I even wrote a negative comment when she seemed to agree too much with a liberal on a Bloggingheads appearance. It was while watching that Bloggingheads video I first learned she voted for Obama. Now, of course, it all makes sense. </p>
<p>I wonder how many of her loyal readers realize Ann is a closet Dem. I mean she NEVER breaths a word about her political party affiliation. Come to think of it, she has always played it noncommittal with her political posts. </p>
<p>She will, of course, vote for Obama in the next Presidential election. Ideology always trumps commonsense. </p>
<p>I’m afraid now to look up Megan McArdle, my latest enthusiasm, on Wiki for fear I’ll find out she belongs to the Communist Party, or something.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/21/noonan-on-the-flaws-in-obamas-health-care-reform/#comment-122081</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Actually, I made that just for you, Huxley. A few minutes on Photoshop, with your inspiration.&lt;/i&gt;

kcom: I&#039;m touched! Thanks for your deft Photoshop skill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Actually, I made that just for you, Huxley. A few minutes on Photoshop, with your inspiration.</i></p>
<p>kcom: I&#8217;m touched! Thanks for your deft Photoshop skill.</p>
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		By: Saturday Linkzilla! &#171; The Daley Gator		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/21/noonan-on-the-flaws-in-obamas-health-care-reform/#comment-122073</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Saturday Linkzilla! &#171; The Daley Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] The Neo-Neocon notes that Peggy Noonan is coming out of her Obamaholism!  [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The Neo-Neocon notes that Peggy Noonan is coming out of her Obamaholism!  [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: kcom		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/21/noonan-on-the-flaws-in-obamas-health-care-reform/#comment-122060</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kcom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, I made that just for you, Huxley.  A few minutes on Photoshop, with your inspiration.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I made that just for you, Huxley.  A few minutes on Photoshop, with your inspiration.</p>
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		By: Perfected democrat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/21/noonan-on-the-flaws-in-obamas-health-care-reform/#comment-122059</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Perfected democrat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The fact of the release of this worsening of the projected deficits at this particular time makes me think the Obama Adm. is trying to deep six the Public/Government Option all by itself, so that Obama, enc., can back out of it with some cover.&quot;

Actually the Democrats are seriously talking about forcing passage, in some form, without the Republicans participation.  At the very least they&#039;re in the process of opening the irrevocable floodgates for a later consolidation of their ultimate left-wing goals.  9 trillion dollars? When you consider the long-term ramifications and realities of maintaining this kind of ponzi scheme, it becomes clear that this is no less than deliberate financial sabatoge setting the stage for justification of later (Democrat) party/government &quot;intervention&quot;, up to and including martial law; And the &quot;cap and trade&quot; coup de grace has yet to be added.  Factor in &quot;Americorp&quot; as a potential, if not probable, domestic security arm, under the domicile of the independent and elite party &quot;czars&quot; that the administration has connived, along with a now complicit judiciary and main-stream media, with even the inclusion of Acorn as a now legitimized and significant government contractor operative... thus we have the recipe for what has now become no less than a coup de tat by the forces of the far radical left.  The speed with which this debacle has taken place is truly breathtaking.  It should be a personal issue for everyone now, starting with health-care...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The fact of the release of this worsening of the projected deficits at this particular time makes me think the Obama Adm. is trying to deep six the Public/Government Option all by itself, so that Obama, enc., can back out of it with some cover.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually the Democrats are seriously talking about forcing passage, in some form, without the Republicans participation.  At the very least they&#8217;re in the process of opening the irrevocable floodgates for a later consolidation of their ultimate left-wing goals.  9 trillion dollars? When you consider the long-term ramifications and realities of maintaining this kind of ponzi scheme, it becomes clear that this is no less than deliberate financial sabatoge setting the stage for justification of later (Democrat) party/government &#8220;intervention&#8221;, up to and including martial law; And the &#8220;cap and trade&#8221; coup de grace has yet to be added.  Factor in &#8220;Americorp&#8221; as a potential, if not probable, domestic security arm, under the domicile of the independent and elite party &#8220;czars&#8221; that the administration has connived, along with a now complicit judiciary and main-stream media, with even the inclusion of Acorn as a now legitimized and significant government contractor operative&#8230; thus we have the recipe for what has now become no less than a coup de tat by the forces of the far radical left.  The speed with which this debacle has taken place is truly breathtaking.  It should be a personal issue for everyone now, starting with health-care&#8230;</p>
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		By: Terrye		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/21/noonan-on-the-flaws-in-obamas-health-care-reform/#comment-122043</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terrye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Noonan did nothing to keep this man from getting elected. In fact she actually helped him get elected. She trashed Bush,  and Republicans in general...and now all of a sudden she is talking about Obama&#039;s &quot;lack of clarity&quot;.

What a tool.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noonan did nothing to keep this man from getting elected. In fact she actually helped him get elected. She trashed Bush,  and Republicans in general&#8230;and now all of a sudden she is talking about Obama&#8217;s &#8220;lack of clarity&#8221;.</p>
<p>What a tool.</p>
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		By: Gray		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/21/noonan-on-the-flaws-in-obamas-health-care-reform/#comment-122018</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 02:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Peggy, you dopey old bat, Obama doesn&#039;t give a shit about what you write.

Only Republicans are stupid enough to take advice from the opposition....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peggy, you dopey old bat, Obama doesn&#8217;t give a shit about what you write.</p>
<p>Only Republicans are stupid enough to take advice from the opposition&#8230;.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/21/noonan-on-the-flaws-in-obamas-health-care-reform/#comment-122009</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo:  I was really taken aback by that paragraph.  It reeked of condescension to me.

I admit that I didn&#039;t read her whole article, though, just the quotes in your post.

I&#039;m not especially concerned with the minutia of 1000+ pages of legislation.  So in that sense I don&#039;t &quot;understand&quot; the bill.  But I definitely understand the intended end result, which is single-payer universal government-run healthcare.  It matters little the exact path we take to get there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo:  I was really taken aback by that paragraph.  It reeked of condescension to me.</p>
<p>I admit that I didn&#8217;t read her whole article, though, just the quotes in your post.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not especially concerned with the minutia of 1000+ pages of legislation.  So in that sense I don&#8217;t &#8220;understand&#8221; the bill.  But I definitely understand the intended end result, which is single-payer universal government-run healthcare.  It matters little the exact path we take to get there.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rickl: I don&#039;t see the statement as especially condescending. I see it as a testament to people&#039;s good sense. 

After all, no one &quot;understands&quot; what Obamacare really represents, or how it would play out---at least, not exactly.  That&#039;s what Obama is counting on---but he&#039;s also counting on people to trust him. I think it&#039;s wise to not trust this bill, and realistic to say that people (and that includes Obama, and Pelosi, and most of wee-weeing Washington) don&#039;t understand it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rickl: I don&#8217;t see the statement as especially condescending. I see it as a testament to people&#8217;s good sense. </p>
<p>After all, no one &#8220;understands&#8221; what Obamacare really represents, or how it would play out&#8212;at least, not exactly.  That&#8217;s what Obama is counting on&#8212;but he&#8217;s also counting on people to trust him. I think it&#8217;s wise to not trust this bill, and realistic to say that people (and that includes Obama, and Pelosi, and most of wee-weeing Washington) don&#8217;t understand it.</p>
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