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		By: md		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/11/why-honduras-matters-cont/#comment-121008</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[md]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[oops:  this is the link:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124619401378065339.html

Neo:  I say no more, but you know that sophistry and convoluted claptrap is relative, and is practiced, as it ever has been, across the political spectrum.

OC: Red? Chimp?  thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops:  this is the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124619401378065339.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124619401378065339.html</a></p>
<p>Neo:  I say no more, but you know that sophistry and convoluted claptrap is relative, and is practiced, as it ever has been, across the political spectrum.</p>
<p>OC: Red? Chimp?  thanks.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/11/why-honduras-matters-cont/#comment-120997</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here is the source for the above quote.

http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/2009/07/patricia-rodas-woman-who-married-zelaya.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the source for the above quote.</p>
<p><a href="http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/2009/07/patricia-rodas-woman-who-married-zelaya.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/2009/07/patricia-rodas-woman-who-married-zelaya.html</a></p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/11/why-honduras-matters-cont/#comment-120996</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As an indication of Zelaya&#039;s being Thugo&#039;s tool, consider this quote from Patrici Rodas, Zelaya&#039;s foreign minister.
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Un saludo a nuestro comandante Hugo Ché¡vez. Sin él, sin su apoyo, esta repercusié³n medié¡tica no habré­a sido posible&quot;
 A salutation to &lt;b&gt;our&lt;/b&gt; comandante Hugo Chavez. Without him, without his support, this media blitz would not have been possible.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;OUR Comandante. Last I checked, Thugo didn&#039;t have a Honduran passport.
 It is interesting that the MSM has ignored the way in which Zelaya got booted out of Mexico.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an indication of Zelaya&#8217;s being Thugo&#8217;s tool, consider this quote from Patrici Rodas, Zelaya&#8217;s foreign minister.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;Un saludo a nuestro comandante Hugo Ché¡vez. Sin él, sin su apoyo, esta repercusié³n medié¡tica no habré­a sido posible&#8221;<br />
 A salutation to <b>our</b> comandante Hugo Chavez. Without him, without his support, this media blitz would not have been possible.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>OUR Comandante. Last I checked, Thugo didn&#8217;t have a Honduran passport.<br />
 It is interesting that the MSM has ignored the way in which Zelaya got booted out of Mexico.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/11/why-honduras-matters-cont/#comment-120904</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[md: That&#039;s an utter absudity.  Zelaya is Chavez&#039;s man.  Reinstating him plays into Chavez&#039;s hands, and strengthens him.  The quote you offer is sophistry and convoluted claptrap.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>md: That&#8217;s an utter absudity.  Zelaya is Chavez&#8217;s man.  Reinstating him plays into Chavez&#8217;s hands, and strengthens him.  The quote you offer is sophistry and convoluted claptrap.</p>
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		By: Synova		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/11/why-honduras-matters-cont/#comment-120903</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;&lt;i&gt;They said Mr. Chavez is likely to seize on the crisis to depict Central America as under attack. As a result, analysts said Mr. Obama will need to aggressively call for the reinstatement of President Zelaya,&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

The only reason that Chavez has any traction is that our intellectual &quot;liberal&quot; betters are swooning over him and ignoring what he&#039;s doing to his economy and ignoring the restrictions on freedom in that country because when they say they believe in freedom they lie.  They believe in benevolent government caring for its children... and if children need to be restricted then so be it!

Chavez will portray himself as under attack and will manufacture enemies if he needs to because that&#039;s how he stays in power and that&#039;s how he builds influence in other Central American countries.   Compromising our own values and *legitimizing* his in a futile attempt to keep him from finding enemies in the shadows is shortsighted, even cowardly.  

There are a multitude of things that Obama (or any US President) could have done when asked to take a position and if Obama is such a piker that he couldn&#039;t figure out a way to emphasize the importance of term limits in support of peace, freedom and prosperity... then we are really doomed aren&#039;t we.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>They said Mr. Chavez is likely to seize on the crisis to depict Central America as under attack. As a result, analysts said Mr. Obama will need to aggressively call for the reinstatement of President Zelaya,</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>The only reason that Chavez has any traction is that our intellectual &#8220;liberal&#8221; betters are swooning over him and ignoring what he&#8217;s doing to his economy and ignoring the restrictions on freedom in that country because when they say they believe in freedom they lie.  They believe in benevolent government caring for its children&#8230; and if children need to be restricted then so be it!</p>
<p>Chavez will portray himself as under attack and will manufacture enemies if he needs to because that&#8217;s how he stays in power and that&#8217;s how he builds influence in other Central American countries.   Compromising our own values and *legitimizing* his in a futile attempt to keep him from finding enemies in the shadows is shortsighted, even cowardly.  </p>
<p>There are a multitude of things that Obama (or any US President) could have done when asked to take a position and if Obama is such a piker that he couldn&#8217;t figure out a way to emphasize the importance of term limits in support of peace, freedom and prosperity&#8230; then we are really doomed aren&#8217;t we.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/11/why-honduras-matters-cont/#comment-120900</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr, I&#039;m halfway through the book, but there are already intimations that the Latvians were later sold out.

Glad you like the reading suggestion. It&#039;s recompense for your own excellent suggestion of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Spies-Rise-Fall-KGB-America/dp/0300123906&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Spies: The Rise and Fall of the KGB in America&lt;/a&gt;, which I just finished and found to be excellent (and exhaustively referenced).

Another topical point from Pipes&#039; book: the Reds intentionally inflated the currency into oblivion to destroy all savings and make everyone dependent on them for work to survive. They did this by simply printing money to pay for everything they wanted, without bothering to generate revenue to back the currency thus created. Uh oh...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr, I&#8217;m halfway through the book, but there are already intimations that the Latvians were later sold out.</p>
<p>Glad you like the reading suggestion. It&#8217;s recompense for your own excellent suggestion of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Spies-Rise-Fall-KGB-America/dp/0300123906" rel="nofollow">Spies: The Rise and Fall of the KGB in America</a>, which I just finished and found to be excellent (and exhaustively referenced).</p>
<p>Another topical point from Pipes&#8217; book: the Reds intentionally inflated the currency into oblivion to destroy all savings and make everyone dependent on them for work to survive. They did this by simply printing money to pay for everything they wanted, without bothering to generate revenue to back the currency thus created. Uh oh&#8230;</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/11/why-honduras-matters-cont/#comment-120897</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[occam, sounds like you got farther along in the book. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>occam, sounds like you got farther along in the book. 🙂</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/11/why-honduras-matters-cont/#comment-120896</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i would suggest reading george keenans long telegram...  it goes into their natures and is VERY accurate...  its a VERY level handed view of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would suggest reading george keenans long telegram&#8230;  it goes into their natures and is VERY accurate&#8230;  its a VERY level handed view of it.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/11/why-honduras-matters-cont/#comment-120895</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Personally, I don’t see Obama as evil, or as a coldly calculating socialist determined to march us in lockstep towards Marxism. I see him, rather, as a con man, a narcissist, and a largely incompetent playboy… which, in many ways, is better.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obama is a con man, a galloping narcissist, and incompetent, God knows, but he himself is irrelevant. He&#039;s a spokesmodel. Period. The Reds picked up a born newsreader from central casting, groomed him (although apparently not enough), and propelled him into the Presidency to advance their cause, whether wittingly or otherwise. If he becomes a liability to them, look for a tragedy to ensue, which they would blame on anti-Red Americans. The propaganda value alone would be enormous.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Personally, I don’t see Obama as evil, or as a coldly calculating socialist determined to march us in lockstep towards Marxism. I see him, rather, as a con man, a narcissist, and a largely incompetent playboy… which, in many ways, is better.</p></blockquote>
<p>Obama is a con man, a galloping narcissist, and incompetent, God knows, but he himself is irrelevant. He&#8217;s a spokesmodel. Period. The Reds picked up a born newsreader from central casting, groomed him (although apparently not enough), and propelled him into the Presidency to advance their cause, whether wittingly or otherwise. If he becomes a liability to them, look for a tragedy to ensue, which they would blame on anti-Red Americans. The propaganda value alone would be enormous.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/11/why-honduras-matters-cont/#comment-120894</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[thanks... i am going to put it on the list to read to see if i can fidn more detail. in a way, i am searching for my real grandfather...   :)

you will find later, if the book goes that far, that after the revolution they were taken care of well, and then suddenly stalin hated all of us because we wanted to be free... and because some wanted freedom, those on stalins side were automatically considered traitors. 

the people who served and created the revolution, the FIRST ONES TO BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY THAT SYSTEM, were murdered then. 

its not that your sensitized cause of what i said, other than to know what latvia is at all.  its that you have not read the full histories, where they tell you who was actually doing what rather than refer to them in a general way. 

in western history books that have been revisioned, thats washed out. the reason being is that it describes the very nature that one learns about was there from even before the state was hatched!!!   that there has never been anything different... the purges and things didnt start with stalin, they were started with lenin as a means to power. from day one to today... NOTHING has changed... you still have the checka, vchecka, kgb, now renamed again, as fsb... whats in a name?  call it eugenics and everyone screams at the evil, call it abortion and everyone fights to expand it. 

names and such are not real... they are mental symbosl, and all mental symbols are not real. your thoughts are not real.  etc...   

the point that your learning in fine detail here and NOW will be sensitive to is how the ruthless nature and the using of people is their core. 

once you start to understand that, and that the latvians after the creation were the only ones that lenin and stalin and such could trust. so they filled the offices of the checka, they became the administrators and designers and coordinators of the mass terror and its tortures. 

so maybe latvians might know a thing that americans dont... maybe we have tales from our society of those that served inside and were betrayed. 

obama by the way is a splittig image of Derzinshkies left hand man...   

keep me posted... i am fascinated and want to keep my knowledge correct. 

THANKS!!!!!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks&#8230; i am going to put it on the list to read to see if i can fidn more detail. in a way, i am searching for my real grandfather&#8230;   🙂</p>
<p>you will find later, if the book goes that far, that after the revolution they were taken care of well, and then suddenly stalin hated all of us because we wanted to be free&#8230; and because some wanted freedom, those on stalins side were automatically considered traitors. </p>
<p>the people who served and created the revolution, the FIRST ONES TO BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY THAT SYSTEM, were murdered then. </p>
<p>its not that your sensitized cause of what i said, other than to know what latvia is at all.  its that you have not read the full histories, where they tell you who was actually doing what rather than refer to them in a general way. </p>
<p>in western history books that have been revisioned, thats washed out. the reason being is that it describes the very nature that one learns about was there from even before the state was hatched!!!   that there has never been anything different&#8230; the purges and things didnt start with stalin, they were started with lenin as a means to power. from day one to today&#8230; NOTHING has changed&#8230; you still have the checka, vchecka, kgb, now renamed again, as fsb&#8230; whats in a name?  call it eugenics and everyone screams at the evil, call it abortion and everyone fights to expand it. </p>
<p>names and such are not real&#8230; they are mental symbosl, and all mental symbols are not real. your thoughts are not real.  etc&#8230;   </p>
<p>the point that your learning in fine detail here and NOW will be sensitive to is how the ruthless nature and the using of people is their core. </p>
<p>once you start to understand that, and that the latvians after the creation were the only ones that lenin and stalin and such could trust. so they filled the offices of the checka, they became the administrators and designers and coordinators of the mass terror and its tortures. </p>
<p>so maybe latvians might know a thing that americans dont&#8230; maybe we have tales from our society of those that served inside and were betrayed. </p>
<p>obama by the way is a splittig image of Derzinshkies left hand man&#8230;   </p>
<p>keep me posted&#8230; i am fascinated and want to keep my knowledge correct. </p>
<p>THANKS!!!!!!!!</p>
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