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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[well the end result of the march at least in male female relationships is here. 

First dates in Sweden: sabotaged by social welfare
www.thelocal.se/21012/20090730/

given the &#039;ladies&#039; attitudes and other things i guess its another case of &quot;getting what they asked for but it isnt what they want&quot;

i bring this up since this is the starting point in the west, and that sweden is held up as the shining example of the success of such ideological things. 

remember what swedish history was like.. 

&lt;i&gt;There’s nothing quite like the rush of sharing that first few hours together: awkwardly asking questions, selecting words ever-so-carefully to impress one other, avoiding foods with high risk of becoming lodged between teeth (broccoli is a definite no).

And all the while secretly thinking about what’s beneath each others’ clothing&lt;/i&gt;

i bring this up because in our large discussions about this contenent, that republic, etc.

we keep forgetting that the thing we are really protesting is not knowing what our daily lives may be like. we have been told that this is the great future, but why doesnt it feel that way?  why did it feel more that way before the 60s revolution with the door to the solar system and galaxy eventually open to us.

its why i brought up those jokes and quotes, why i focused on feminism and such.  it was the poison that unlocked the rest. now i am not saying that womens self determination was poison. but that knee jerk reaction should show you that feminism and womens self determination are not synonymous (quite the opposite if your smart, and self made and do your own thing).  

isnt it about time that women werent being told by others how to live? that they can make up their own minds is something the feminists never concede. and that they like families and things that are not necessarilysocially acceptable in a collective. and there are a lot of things they now do that they dont like doing. 

like neos other thread showing that women are a lot less happier than they were before. and all the other comments you can find where women are discovering they cant have babies, and that its too bad for them. others are finding out that their other actions deny them lots of other things. 

the point is that these are all canaries in the human coal mine. how do you tell that the people as a people are healthy?  you can see how their women behave, you can see what they are singing, you can watch and compare their images with the past and what they focus on. 

when i was a kid, we were watching the first moon walk, and some really amazing feats. now we have documentaries that tell us what the world would be like if most humans suddenly died out. 

people used to sing a little happy love song, you looked around and you would hear another song. 
today they are begging someone else to somehow make them feel something. 

so this article on dating is actually more relevent than most may want to consider. the changes we are seeing to the economy will make VAST changes in how we as people meet, spend time, consider others, and so forth. 

our very future is wrapped up in how people date and create successful lives. that is unless you thik that they shouldnt and they should instead live their own lives, and any issuance be taken care of by the state in facilities like that and, women shouldnt have the choice (thats what Simone de Beauvoir and lots of others - some presidential advisors say). 

so peer into the future... and see how men act in sweden when an american woman (as far as i can tell) is even more frustrated with the men than she is with them in the US.  

&lt;i&gt;My first Swedish date took place about a month after I’d moved to the nation’s capital. And about two minutes into it, I realized whatever dating ‘expertise’ I thought I had gained during my single years, was useless.

The evening felt like a cavalcade of one hopeless moment after another. The dinner went like this: I asked a question. He answered. I asked another. He answered again. Not once did a question come my way. Was I that boring, or was he just that rude?

When the bill came, I offered to help pay as I always do; a well-rehearsed token gesture of kindness, which I expected to be duly rebuffed. 

Instead, my Swedish companion “allowed” me to pay for half the meal. And then left me to cover our after-dinner coffee–another sure sign in my book that things were heading in the wrong direction.

Three hours later, my stomach full of non-free food and my mind reeling from the piss-poor conversation, my first Swedish date was finally over. 
&lt;/i&gt;

she got exactly what the feminists have been fightind and deputizing her and others for. they even have the social welfare state, what they also wanted.

however note her duplicity... unlike her swedish sisters, hers is a feminism image with a duplicitous back drop where she pretends to be trendy and feminist in pc line, but then balks when the situation is no longer unequal. that is, she has learned to appear one way in western public so that she supports these goals and eveyrone else does to and also acts on them... meanwhile, behind the false image, she wants what they wont let her have.  hows that for schizo as normal? 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well the end result of the march at least in male female relationships is here. </p>
<p>First dates in Sweden: sabotaged by social welfare<br />
<a href="http://www.thelocal.se/21012/20090730/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.thelocal.se/21012/20090730/</a></p>
<p>given the &#8216;ladies&#8217; attitudes and other things i guess its another case of &#8220;getting what they asked for but it isnt what they want&#8221;</p>
<p>i bring this up since this is the starting point in the west, and that sweden is held up as the shining example of the success of such ideological things. </p>
<p>remember what swedish history was like.. </p>
<p><i>There’s nothing quite like the rush of sharing that first few hours together: awkwardly asking questions, selecting words ever-so-carefully to impress one other, avoiding foods with high risk of becoming lodged between teeth (broccoli is a definite no).</p>
<p>And all the while secretly thinking about what’s beneath each others’ clothing</i></p>
<p>i bring this up because in our large discussions about this contenent, that republic, etc.</p>
<p>we keep forgetting that the thing we are really protesting is not knowing what our daily lives may be like. we have been told that this is the great future, but why doesnt it feel that way?  why did it feel more that way before the 60s revolution with the door to the solar system and galaxy eventually open to us.</p>
<p>its why i brought up those jokes and quotes, why i focused on feminism and such.  it was the poison that unlocked the rest. now i am not saying that womens self determination was poison. but that knee jerk reaction should show you that feminism and womens self determination are not synonymous (quite the opposite if your smart, and self made and do your own thing).  </p>
<p>isnt it about time that women werent being told by others how to live? that they can make up their own minds is something the feminists never concede. and that they like families and things that are not necessarilysocially acceptable in a collective. and there are a lot of things they now do that they dont like doing. </p>
<p>like neos other thread showing that women are a lot less happier than they were before. and all the other comments you can find where women are discovering they cant have babies, and that its too bad for them. others are finding out that their other actions deny them lots of other things. </p>
<p>the point is that these are all canaries in the human coal mine. how do you tell that the people as a people are healthy?  you can see how their women behave, you can see what they are singing, you can watch and compare their images with the past and what they focus on. </p>
<p>when i was a kid, we were watching the first moon walk, and some really amazing feats. now we have documentaries that tell us what the world would be like if most humans suddenly died out. </p>
<p>people used to sing a little happy love song, you looked around and you would hear another song.<br />
today they are begging someone else to somehow make them feel something. </p>
<p>so this article on dating is actually more relevent than most may want to consider. the changes we are seeing to the economy will make VAST changes in how we as people meet, spend time, consider others, and so forth. </p>
<p>our very future is wrapped up in how people date and create successful lives. that is unless you thik that they shouldnt and they should instead live their own lives, and any issuance be taken care of by the state in facilities like that and, women shouldnt have the choice (thats what Simone de Beauvoir and lots of others &#8211; some presidential advisors say). </p>
<p>so peer into the future&#8230; and see how men act in sweden when an american woman (as far as i can tell) is even more frustrated with the men than she is with them in the US.  </p>
<p><i>My first Swedish date took place about a month after I’d moved to the nation’s capital. And about two minutes into it, I realized whatever dating ‘expertise’ I thought I had gained during my single years, was useless.</p>
<p>The evening felt like a cavalcade of one hopeless moment after another. The dinner went like this: I asked a question. He answered. I asked another. He answered again. Not once did a question come my way. Was I that boring, or was he just that rude?</p>
<p>When the bill came, I offered to help pay as I always do; a well-rehearsed token gesture of kindness, which I expected to be duly rebuffed. </p>
<p>Instead, my Swedish companion “allowed” me to pay for half the meal. And then left me to cover our after-dinner coffee–another sure sign in my book that things were heading in the wrong direction.</p>
<p>Three hours later, my stomach full of non-free food and my mind reeling from the piss-poor conversation, my first Swedish date was finally over.<br />
</i></p>
<p>she got exactly what the feminists have been fightind and deputizing her and others for. they even have the social welfare state, what they also wanted.</p>
<p>however note her duplicity&#8230; unlike her swedish sisters, hers is a feminism image with a duplicitous back drop where she pretends to be trendy and feminist in pc line, but then balks when the situation is no longer unequal. that is, she has learned to appear one way in western public so that she supports these goals and eveyrone else does to and also acts on them&#8230; meanwhile, behind the false image, she wants what they wont let her have.  hows that for schizo as normal? </p>
<p>[edited for length by neo-neocon]</p>
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		By: Wolla Dalbo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/10/education-and-the-great-march/#comment-120814</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At the beginning of the Won&#039;s reign, he diagnosed our economic crisis as not being the result of the Democrat&#039;s vote getting push for home ownership for all with a pulse, not due to the out of control actions of Fannie and Freddie, nor due to the very effective blocking of reform by Rep. Barney Frank and Senator Chris Dodd, but, rather, in the implausible--visible to no one except the Won--triad of the crises in our Energy, Healthcare and Educational Systems.

No doubt, after swift passage of Cap and Trade and Health Care Reform, we were supposed to be further Blitzed by a mammoth bill to &quot;reform&quot; and fully federalize our educational system.

If Obama &#038; Co are still sticking to that game plan, look for any such plans for the &quot;reform&quot; of our education system to be heavily infused with the ideology of Bill Ayers and his fellow travelers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the beginning of the Won&#8217;s reign, he diagnosed our economic crisis as not being the result of the Democrat&#8217;s vote getting push for home ownership for all with a pulse, not due to the out of control actions of Fannie and Freddie, nor due to the very effective blocking of reform by Rep. Barney Frank and Senator Chris Dodd, but, rather, in the implausible&#8211;visible to no one except the Won&#8211;triad of the crises in our Energy, Healthcare and Educational Systems.</p>
<p>No doubt, after swift passage of Cap and Trade and Health Care Reform, we were supposed to be further Blitzed by a mammoth bill to &#8220;reform&#8221; and fully federalize our educational system.</p>
<p>If Obama &amp; Co are still sticking to that game plan, look for any such plans for the &#8220;reform&#8221; of our education system to be heavily infused with the ideology of Bill Ayers and his fellow travelers.</p>
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		By: galensmark		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/10/education-and-the-great-march/#comment-120808</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think you need the pine tar anymore...bleachers!
Mark]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you need the pine tar anymore&#8230;bleachers!<br />
Mark</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/10/education-and-the-great-march/#comment-120802</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Baklava,

Thanks for the OT link. That is a very interesting topic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baklava,</p>
<p>Thanks for the OT link. That is a very interesting topic.</p>
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		By: Baklava		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/10/education-and-the-great-march/#comment-120801</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[uh oh! You mentioned God !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh oh! You mentioned God !</p>
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		By: Foxfier		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/10/education-and-the-great-march/#comment-120799</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Occam&#039;s Beard-
from your lips to God&#039;s ears!  (or whatever the text equiv may be)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occam&#8217;s Beard-<br />
from your lips to God&#8217;s ears!  (or whatever the text equiv may be)</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fred2, I very much hope there is no 6th or 7th year of the Obama Maladministration. Or a 5th year, for that matter.

Increasingly it appears that my hopes will be fulfilled. On his current running, by 2012 Obama will be firmly in Carter country.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred2, I very much hope there is no 6th or 7th year of the Obama Maladministration. Or a 5th year, for that matter.</p>
<p>Increasingly it appears that my hopes will be fulfilled. On his current running, by 2012 Obama will be firmly in Carter country.</p>
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		By: Baklava		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/10/education-and-the-great-march/#comment-120796</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baklava]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Off topic and interesting feminist debate:

http://chronicle.com/article/Domestic-Violence-a/47940/

I read Christina Hoff Sommers book &quot;Who stole Feminism&quot; back in the 90&#039;s. She commands respect, gets shouted down at colleges however and still fights for truth in reporting and textbooks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic and interesting feminist debate:</p>
<p><a href="http://chronicle.com/article/Domestic-Violence-a/47940/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://chronicle.com/article/Domestic-Violence-a/47940/</a></p>
<p>I read Christina Hoff Sommers book &#8220;Who stole Feminism&#8221; back in the 90&#8217;s. She commands respect, gets shouted down at colleges however and still fights for truth in reporting and textbooks.</p>
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		By: Baklava		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wandriaan,

no words will help. He is so anti-religious that a quote about money on the currency had Ny in an anti Palin all the time tizzy. Therefore, he will perpetually make the wrong choice (data will not hit him upside the head) in presidential elections voting in somebody who is economically illiterate, with zero experience, incurious, historically inaccurate at every turn, etc.

He is steeped in a way of thinking on religion that has him making extreme statements and judgments.

There will be no follow up from me on this topic today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wandriaan,</p>
<p>no words will help. He is so anti-religious that a quote about money on the currency had Ny in an anti Palin all the time tizzy. Therefore, he will perpetually make the wrong choice (data will not hit him upside the head) in presidential elections voting in somebody who is economically illiterate, with zero experience, incurious, historically inaccurate at every turn, etc.</p>
<p>He is steeped in a way of thinking on religion that has him making extreme statements and judgments.</p>
<p>There will be no follow up from me on this topic today.</p>
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		By: Fred2		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is some hope that the experience of being in office and dealing with the real world will educate Mr. Obama about the world.  Probably in the 6th or 7th year of his administration.  Of course, one would hope this sort of education would take place &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; one becomes President of the US.

A great many of the people surrounding the President are in touch with reality.  The Clintons, for example, despite their hippy-ish past, showed some sophistication about foreign policy.  Much better, at least, than the Marxists.

And let us not forget the ideologies on the other side.  G W Bush was recently quoted as believing the war in Iraq was about Gog and Magog from the Bible; Not something he could know unless he was a true prophet.

The US will pass some sort of health care legislation.  Take heart that countries from Israel to France to Norway have something similar, and it doesn&#039;t absolutely have to lead to NHS socialism or &quot;Serfdom&quot;.  There is a tremendous amount of damage that could be done, true, but there is a good chance of avoiding most of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is some hope that the experience of being in office and dealing with the real world will educate Mr. Obama about the world.  Probably in the 6th or 7th year of his administration.  Of course, one would hope this sort of education would take place <i>before</i> one becomes President of the US.</p>
<p>A great many of the people surrounding the President are in touch with reality.  The Clintons, for example, despite their hippy-ish past, showed some sophistication about foreign policy.  Much better, at least, than the Marxists.</p>
<p>And let us not forget the ideologies on the other side.  G W Bush was recently quoted as believing the war in Iraq was about Gog and Magog from the Bible; Not something he could know unless he was a true prophet.</p>
<p>The US will pass some sort of health care legislation.  Take heart that countries from Israel to France to Norway have something similar, and it doesn&#8217;t absolutely have to lead to NHS socialism or &#8220;Serfdom&#8221;.  There is a tremendous amount of damage that could be done, true, but there is a good chance of avoiding most of it.</p>
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