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		By: Oblio		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/06/those-demon-astroturfers-at-the-town-hall-meetings/#comment-120548</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oblio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 03:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think his best strategy is to cool down, accept any  compromise on health care as long as he gets something passed.  He declares it &lt;i&gt;historic&lt;/i&gt;.  He calms down on taxes and regulation, sits back and lets liquidity lift the market and begin the recovery, after which he declares an &lt;i&gt;historic&lt;/i&gt; episode of effective economic management.  If I&#039;m him, I ask for a repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act, with the expectation that it will split my opponents and rally my base, while at the same time instituting a national commission to examine institutional racism.  I proclaim that everything I do is &lt;i&gt;historic&lt;/i&gt; and that I am The Uniter.  I sit back and let the memory Hole do its work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think his best strategy is to cool down, accept any  compromise on health care as long as he gets something passed.  He declares it <i>historic</i>.  He calms down on taxes and regulation, sits back and lets liquidity lift the market and begin the recovery, after which he declares an <i>historic</i> episode of effective economic management.  If I&#8217;m him, I ask for a repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act, with the expectation that it will split my opponents and rally my base, while at the same time instituting a national commission to examine institutional racism.  I proclaim that everything I do is <i>historic</i> and that I am The Uniter.  I sit back and let the memory Hole do its work.</p>
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		By: Wolla Dalbo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/06/those-demon-astroturfers-at-the-town-hall-meetings/#comment-120487</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolla Dalbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There was supposedly a women involved, along with the SEIU goons arrested, in the attack on the vendor outside the St. Louis town hall meeting last night, and she apparently ran away before the cops could question or arrest her.  

Unfortunately for her, someone caught he face on her camera, and for her trouble the camerawoman got that camera shoved back in her face by the mystery woman  (http://tinyurl.com/l53nub ).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was supposedly a women involved, along with the SEIU goons arrested, in the attack on the vendor outside the St. Louis town hall meeting last night, and she apparently ran away before the cops could question or arrest her.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately for her, someone caught he face on her camera, and for her trouble the camerawoman got that camera shoved back in her face by the mystery woman  (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/l53nub" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/l53nub</a> ).</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/06/those-demon-astroturfers-at-the-town-hall-meetings/#comment-120327</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yep, Obama can go to the center or go to the bunker.

From reading around the web, I have the impression that a fair number of Americans feel confused by the differences between Obama the Candidate and Obama the President. It feels like a bad dream. They want to wake up and discover that Obama really is that pragmatic, post-partisan, post-racial centrist healer that they thought they voted for. Or that Obama at least is trying to be that guy.

At this point Obama is not going to recover his messiah credentials, but he could stanch the bleeding of support from moderates and independents.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, Obama can go to the center or go to the bunker.</p>
<p>From reading around the web, I have the impression that a fair number of Americans feel confused by the differences between Obama the Candidate and Obama the President. It feels like a bad dream. They want to wake up and discover that Obama really is that pragmatic, post-partisan, post-racial centrist healer that they thought they voted for. Or that Obama at least is trying to be that guy.</p>
<p>At this point Obama is not going to recover his messiah credentials, but he could stanch the bleeding of support from moderates and independents.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oblio, I thought of another possible tack Obama could take, but I very much doubt he will.

He could engage in a &lt;i&gt;mea culpa&lt;/i&gt;, go on TV, say he realized Americans had significant concerns about healthcare reform, and that he heard their concerns. As a consequence, he was now urging Congress to slow down to give Americans time to consider and discuss the proposals.

Doing this would guarantee healthcare was derailed, but at this point it&#039;s probably DOA anyway. On the other hand, it would rebuild his popularity with those in the middle, which is probably the most he can hope for at thsi point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oblio, I thought of another possible tack Obama could take, but I very much doubt he will.</p>
<p>He could engage in a <i>mea culpa</i>, go on TV, say he realized Americans had significant concerns about healthcare reform, and that he heard their concerns. As a consequence, he was now urging Congress to slow down to give Americans time to consider and discuss the proposals.</p>
<p>Doing this would guarantee healthcare was derailed, but at this point it&#8217;s probably DOA anyway. On the other hand, it would rebuild his popularity with those in the middle, which is probably the most he can hope for at thsi point.</p>
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		By: NickSE		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/06/those-demon-astroturfers-at-the-town-hall-meetings/#comment-120322</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NickSE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You know at this point it doesn&#039;t matter if Obama stays on the left or moves to the center.  His policies along with the Democratic majority will make this economy much worse in the coming years which no one will be able to hide it from the public.

The economy is going to take a hit when the Bush tax cuts expire and people lose that extra money they had and subsequent cap/trade, healthcare, etc...reforms/higher taxes will keep it on its back after that.  And that&#039;s not even taking into account what happens the dollar implodes or interest rates skyrocket.

These guys have no idea what it takes to get the economy back on track and no ACORN or union thug is going to be able to hide that from the American public.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know at this point it doesn&#8217;t matter if Obama stays on the left or moves to the center.  His policies along with the Democratic majority will make this economy much worse in the coming years which no one will be able to hide it from the public.</p>
<p>The economy is going to take a hit when the Bush tax cuts expire and people lose that extra money they had and subsequent cap/trade, healthcare, etc&#8230;reforms/higher taxes will keep it on its back after that.  And that&#8217;s not even taking into account what happens the dollar implodes or interest rates skyrocket.</p>
<p>These guys have no idea what it takes to get the economy back on track and no ACORN or union thug is going to be able to hide that from the American public.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I’m thinking Obama can’t make a move to the middle. The far left is already grumbling about the so called concessions. &lt;/i&gt;

John: You&#039;ve got a point, but in American politics the penalties for a sitting president disappointing the base are not large. IMO Obama can take the far left as seriously as he takes the gay marriage folks, i.e. not seriously at all.

Obama&#039;s problem is that he can&#039;t disappoint the far leftist in himself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m thinking Obama can’t make a move to the middle. The far left is already grumbling about the so called concessions. </i></p>
<p>John: You&#8217;ve got a point, but in American politics the penalties for a sitting president disappointing the base are not large. IMO Obama can take the far left as seriously as he takes the gay marriage folks, i.e. not seriously at all.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s problem is that he can&#8217;t disappoint the far leftist in himself.</p>
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		By: MikeLL		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/06/those-demon-astroturfers-at-the-town-hall-meetings/#comment-120293</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeLL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Let’s hope Obama springs for the sensible alternative, #5.&lt;/i&gt;

Occam, you have a way with words.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Let’s hope Obama springs for the sensible alternative, #5.</i></p>
<p>Occam, you have a way with words.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m thinking Obama can&#039;t make a move to the middle.  The far left is already grumbling about the so called concessions.  They want this pushed through in it&#039;s entirety as written.  Obama doesn&#039;t want them mad at him as well as the &quot;mobs on the right&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking Obama can&#8217;t make a move to the middle.  The far left is already grumbling about the so called concessions.  They want this pushed through in it&#8217;s entirety as written.  Obama doesn&#8217;t want them mad at him as well as the &#8220;mobs on the right&#8221;.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/08/06/those-demon-astroturfers-at-the-town-hall-meetings/#comment-120288</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It might be too late, but I think Obama still has a shot of going to the center and recovering some of his post-partisan glitz. In fact I suspect he could be quite dangerous in that respect.

By doing so he could chop the Republicans&#039; &quot;Just say No&quot; strategy off at the knees and game the voters some more about whether is a pragmatic centrist and that malarkey. He could settle for half his cake on healthcare, immigration, and defense, while continuing to undermine the courts with his radical appointments, probably get a second term and put the Dems in the catbird seat for an extended domination of Congress and maybe the White House.

However, I don&#039;t think Obama is constitutionally able to go to the center. I&#039;m not as pessimistic as some on this blog about Obama, but I have concluded that at heart he is an ambitious New Left radical and such halfway measures are bitter compromises. While he has majorities in Congress and good polls, he will continue to go for the gusto.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be too late, but I think Obama still has a shot of going to the center and recovering some of his post-partisan glitz. In fact I suspect he could be quite dangerous in that respect.</p>
<p>By doing so he could chop the Republicans&#8217; &#8220;Just say No&#8221; strategy off at the knees and game the voters some more about whether is a pragmatic centrist and that malarkey. He could settle for half his cake on healthcare, immigration, and defense, while continuing to undermine the courts with his radical appointments, probably get a second term and put the Dems in the catbird seat for an extended domination of Congress and maybe the White House.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t think Obama is constitutionally able to go to the center. I&#8217;m not as pessimistic as some on this blog about Obama, but I have concluded that at heart he is an ambitious New Left radical and such halfway measures are bitter compromises. While he has majorities in Congress and good polls, he will continue to go for the gusto.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I might make bold to address your excellent question, Oblio, I&#039;d say that other, safer possibilities for Obama &#038; Co. would be to:

1. Create a meme of violence having been committed, which the complicit MSM will promulgate. 

2. Claim to have uncovered a plot to instigate violence, and use it as a pretext to crack down on opponents

3. Generate a galvanizing external threat (the Galtieri dipsy-doodle). Too Third World and obvious, unless the threat is, say, SARS or something of that ilk.

4. Create a TV blitzkrieg in an effort to recreate the old magic. Probably too late for that, and beyond a critical cusp, further exposure only debilitates the message.

5. Say to hell with the whole thing, and have an intern give you BJs for the rest of your term. Might as well enjoy yourself.

Let&#039;s hope Obama springs for the sensible alternative, #5.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I might make bold to address your excellent question, Oblio, I&#8217;d say that other, safer possibilities for Obama &amp; Co. would be to:</p>
<p>1. Create a meme of violence having been committed, which the complicit MSM will promulgate. </p>
<p>2. Claim to have uncovered a plot to instigate violence, and use it as a pretext to crack down on opponents</p>
<p>3. Generate a galvanizing external threat (the Galtieri dipsy-doodle). Too Third World and obvious, unless the threat is, say, SARS or something of that ilk.</p>
<p>4. Create a TV blitzkrieg in an effort to recreate the old magic. Probably too late for that, and beyond a critical cusp, further exposure only debilitates the message.</p>
<p>5. Say to hell with the whole thing, and have an intern give you BJs for the rest of your term. Might as well enjoy yourself.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope Obama springs for the sensible alternative, #5.</p>
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