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		By: Eclat verre		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 18:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: grackle		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/23/obama-and-those-stupid-cambridge-police/#comment-118168</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grackle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Grackle — earlier: The City Attorney needs to be asked why the charge was dropped. Dear readers, if any one of us had been arrested for disorderly conduct would any of our City Attorneys decide “not to go forward?””

&lt;i&gt;I’d say, ‘probably yes’. Most people tend to get a freebie for their first offense if their crime was nonviolent.&lt;/i&gt;

I just saw an exchange on Fox News pro and con on the Gates affair. One of the main points of the pro-Gates guest, introduced as a “legal expert” by the name of David Wall, or maybe Wahl(I’m unsure of the spelling), was, “Let’s not forget that the charges were dropped.” This is something that we will hear over and over again from the pro-Gates folks. 

Bless that City Attorney’s heart, dropping the charge certainly gave the pro-Gates folks a nice talking point. 

The guest, who seemed to be a lawyer, also claimed that the dropping of the charges opened the door for a civil suit. Gates could actually end up getting a money judgement from the city and maybe get the officer fired. Thanks, City Attorney! 

The other thing the pro-Gates guest claimed was that Gates was arrested in “his own home.” This is also what a black co-worker claimed when we talked about it yesterday. Yes, I know it is best to avoid these issues with black acquaintances but he broached the subject with me and persisted in the exchange even after I tried to deflect the way the conversation was going. 

When I told the co-worker that I understood that Gates was arrested only after following Crowley outside the house he got a bit excited. “No, you’ve got that wrong,” he said. 

And why shouldn’t he think Gates was arrested in his home? If Fox News lets a guest get away with an untrue statement it’ll probably be treated as a fact on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, etc.

Readers, if you or I were arrested and alleged publicly and vigorously malfeasance on the part of the officer the charge would likely not be dropped no matter if it was a first offense or not. We would eventually be asked to recant by a judge and if we did not the judge would make an example of us. They really do not like it when such allegations are made and tend to teach a lesson to the recalcitrant when it occurs — unless of course you happen to be a black Harvard professor who is a friend of the POTUS. Then you get to claim “racial profiling,” denigrate a cop doing his job, loudly and publicly thumb your nose at the justice system and are free to contemplate a lawsuit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grackle — earlier: The City Attorney needs to be asked why the charge was dropped. Dear readers, if any one of us had been arrested for disorderly conduct would any of our City Attorneys decide “not to go forward?””</p>
<p><i>I’d say, ‘probably yes’. Most people tend to get a freebie for their first offense if their crime was nonviolent.</i></p>
<p>I just saw an exchange on Fox News pro and con on the Gates affair. One of the main points of the pro-Gates guest, introduced as a “legal expert” by the name of David Wall, or maybe Wahl(I’m unsure of the spelling), was, “Let’s not forget that the charges were dropped.” This is something that we will hear over and over again from the pro-Gates folks. </p>
<p>Bless that City Attorney’s heart, dropping the charge certainly gave the pro-Gates folks a nice talking point. </p>
<p>The guest, who seemed to be a lawyer, also claimed that the dropping of the charges opened the door for a civil suit. Gates could actually end up getting a money judgement from the city and maybe get the officer fired. Thanks, City Attorney! </p>
<p>The other thing the pro-Gates guest claimed was that Gates was arrested in “his own home.” This is also what a black co-worker claimed when we talked about it yesterday. Yes, I know it is best to avoid these issues with black acquaintances but he broached the subject with me and persisted in the exchange even after I tried to deflect the way the conversation was going. </p>
<p>When I told the co-worker that I understood that Gates was arrested only after following Crowley outside the house he got a bit excited. “No, you’ve got that wrong,” he said. </p>
<p>And why shouldn’t he think Gates was arrested in his home? If Fox News lets a guest get away with an untrue statement it’ll probably be treated as a fact on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, etc.</p>
<p>Readers, if you or I were arrested and alleged publicly and vigorously malfeasance on the part of the officer the charge would likely not be dropped no matter if it was a first offense or not. We would eventually be asked to recant by a judge and if we did not the judge would make an example of us. They really do not like it when such allegations are made and tend to teach a lesson to the recalcitrant when it occurs — unless of course you happen to be a black Harvard professor who is a friend of the POTUS. Then you get to claim “racial profiling,” denigrate a cop doing his job, loudly and publicly thumb your nose at the justice system and are free to contemplate a lawsuit.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/23/obama-and-those-stupid-cambridge-police/#comment-118040</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[funniest wrong phrase... 
&lt;i&gt;Good for him then he can sue him for deformation of character&lt;/i&gt;


best bottom line quote:
&lt;i&gt;Folks, Why the outrage it is only a black mayor, black governor, and a black president verbally attacking a white police office for arresting a black Harvard scholar. This should not be a problem. The real problem would be if a white mayor, white governor, and a white president verbally attacked a black police office for arresting a white Harvard scholar. Folks, there is a simply solution to this issue. Release any tape or transcriptase an let the people decide who is at fault. An the person at fault needs to step up an say I am sorry and then resign from their jobs, an get help for racism. We do not need a raciest in the police force, teaching at Harvard, mayor office, governor offices or the white house. &lt;/i&gt;

the union is holding a tape over obamas head and saying they got it from damacles


least distracted award
&lt;i&gt;Has anybody bothered to ask who W.E.B. Dubois was? He was an early black American Communist well known for his communist and redistribution of wealth ideas. Obama&#039;s past church in Chicago immortalized him and his philosophy, so is it any wonder that all of this comes about as this professor, connected to this past communist, should be embroiled in this incident? I would rather attention be focused on the Dubois connection and promulgation of that ideology than the rantings of this puffed up &quot;victim&quot;. The W.E.B. Dubois connection is probably why Obama is personally acquainted with this guy, and basically why the cop doing his job &quot;didn&#039;t know who he was messing with&quot;. &lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>funniest wrong phrase&#8230;<br />
<i>Good for him then he can sue him for deformation of character</i></p>
<p>best bottom line quote:<br />
<i>Folks, Why the outrage it is only a black mayor, black governor, and a black president verbally attacking a white police office for arresting a black Harvard scholar. This should not be a problem. The real problem would be if a white mayor, white governor, and a white president verbally attacked a black police office for arresting a white Harvard scholar. Folks, there is a simply solution to this issue. Release any tape or transcriptase an let the people decide who is at fault. An the person at fault needs to step up an say I am sorry and then resign from their jobs, an get help for racism. We do not need a raciest in the police force, teaching at Harvard, mayor office, governor offices or the white house. </i></p>
<p>the union is holding a tape over obamas head and saying they got it from damacles</p>
<p>least distracted award<br />
<i>Has anybody bothered to ask who W.E.B. Dubois was? He was an early black American Communist well known for his communist and redistribution of wealth ideas. Obama&#8217;s past church in Chicago immortalized him and his philosophy, so is it any wonder that all of this comes about as this professor, connected to this past communist, should be embroiled in this incident? I would rather attention be focused on the Dubois connection and promulgation of that ideology than the rantings of this puffed up &#8220;victim&#8221;. The W.E.B. Dubois connection is probably why Obama is personally acquainted with this guy, and basically why the cop doing his job &#8220;didn&#8217;t know who he was messing with&#8221;. </i></p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/23/obama-and-those-stupid-cambridge-police/#comment-118039</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[best quote so far i saw was&quot;

&quot;You can take the president out of Reverend Wright&#039;s church, but you can&#039;t take Reverend Wright&#039;s beliefs out of the president&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>best quote so far i saw was&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You can take the president out of Reverend Wright&#8217;s church, but you can&#8217;t take Reverend Wright&#8217;s beliefs out of the president&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Oh, bother		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/23/obama-and-those-stupid-cambridge-police/#comment-118038</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oh, bother]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is an expression they use in the Piney Woods of East Texas to describe this behavior:  Digging a hole with your teeth.

You go, Mr. President!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an expression they use in the Piney Woods of East Texas to describe this behavior:  Digging a hole with your teeth.</p>
<p>You go, Mr. President!</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/23/obama-and-those-stupid-cambridge-police/#comment-118037</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[one small view of a living room in a huge palacial estate you see a world leader laughing... as the camera pulls back, you see the same thing in lots of monitor screens filling up your view, each screen is only different in the trappings and decorations... you see kim jong with his funny hair and that assinine coat, sniggering... in the lower right, you see castro brother raul looking satisfied. to the left side, puting and gorbachev are laughing so hard they have tears in their eyes.. 

at the end you see them all turn off the screen and say in their own languages, cant wait till tomorrow to see what he does next, that guy just cracks me up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one small view of a living room in a huge palacial estate you see a world leader laughing&#8230; as the camera pulls back, you see the same thing in lots of monitor screens filling up your view, each screen is only different in the trappings and decorations&#8230; you see kim jong with his funny hair and that assinine coat, sniggering&#8230; in the lower right, you see castro brother raul looking satisfied. to the left side, puting and gorbachev are laughing so hard they have tears in their eyes.. </p>
<p>at the end you see them all turn off the screen and say in their own languages, cant wait till tomorrow to see what he does next, that guy just cracks me up.</p>
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		By: gcotharn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gcotharn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama&#039;s was not an apology for an unfair assertion about Sgt. Crowley and the Cambridge Police. 

Rather, Obama&#039;s was a reassertion of the righteousness of Obama&#039;s belief that the police acted stupidly.  

Obama&#039;s statement was also an apology for not asserting police stupidity in a rhetorically slick fashion.  Basically, it was an apology for getting caught at being truthful and forthright.  Obama is saying:  I apologize for not having been more skillful at misleading the yokels.  Not you guys, of course!  YOU guys would have known what I meant.  However, I should have said it in a way which would appease the yokels.  I did not say it in a way which would appease the yokels and yet signal to you smart people.  For that, I apologize.

Obama&#039;s is a slick tactic of a fake apologizer:  apologize not for the transgression, but rather for displaying lack of skill.  The true narcissist will favor an apology for a lack of skill in an area in which the narcissist has demonstrably excellent skill.  Therefore, even as the narcissist &quot;apologizes&quot;, the narcissist is effectively praising himself for having such wonderful skill in this area.  Thus, we see Obama&#039;s &quot;apology&quot; was actually a subtle acknowledgement of Obama&#039;s rhetorical skill.  In fact, and maybe I&#039;m overconditioned, but I could barely hear even a fake apology over the loud clanging implicit praise of The One&#039;s rhetorical skill, i.e.  &lt;i&gt;I&#039;m usually so fantastic and wonderful at rhetoric, and I apologize for not being as fantastic and wonderful as usual.  There!  Aren&#039;t I reasoned and wonderful and magnanimous for apologizing?!  Of course I am.  Now let me lecture YOU about jumping to conclusions, and about race.  You will love it.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s was not an apology for an unfair assertion about Sgt. Crowley and the Cambridge Police. </p>
<p>Rather, Obama&#8217;s was a reassertion of the righteousness of Obama&#8217;s belief that the police acted stupidly.  </p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s statement was also an apology for not asserting police stupidity in a rhetorically slick fashion.  Basically, it was an apology for getting caught at being truthful and forthright.  Obama is saying:  I apologize for not having been more skillful at misleading the yokels.  Not you guys, of course!  YOU guys would have known what I meant.  However, I should have said it in a way which would appease the yokels.  I did not say it in a way which would appease the yokels and yet signal to you smart people.  For that, I apologize.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s is a slick tactic of a fake apologizer:  apologize not for the transgression, but rather for displaying lack of skill.  The true narcissist will favor an apology for a lack of skill in an area in which the narcissist has demonstrably excellent skill.  Therefore, even as the narcissist &#8220;apologizes&#8221;, the narcissist is effectively praising himself for having such wonderful skill in this area.  Thus, we see Obama&#8217;s &#8220;apology&#8221; was actually a subtle acknowledgement of Obama&#8217;s rhetorical skill.  In fact, and maybe I&#8217;m overconditioned, but I could barely hear even a fake apology over the loud clanging implicit praise of The One&#8217;s rhetorical skill, i.e.  <i>I&#8217;m usually so fantastic and wonderful at rhetoric, and I apologize for not being as fantastic and wonderful as usual.  There!  Aren&#8217;t I reasoned and wonderful and magnanimous for apologizing?!  Of course I am.  Now let me lecture YOU about jumping to conclusions, and about race.  You will love it.</i></p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[he looks in the mirror... how, how could the ideology of my fathers be wrong? how could following all these rules come out bad all the time? things should be going great, but they are going down so fast i am praying constantly... i have no one to talk to, everyone is telling me that what i am doing is the right thing, i cant get any other answers, and everything that i have acheived is coming to naught. 

I was so sure, i never bothered to learn how the system that was not to be worked...  it made no sense to me since it was to be replaced with something better. 

it must be those who disagree with me either in the open or secretly. they must be opposing me and doing so well i didnt see them. thats why nothings working. those people are purposefully sabotaging it to make me look bad to preserve the status quo. 

what do i do?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he looks in the mirror&#8230; how, how could the ideology of my fathers be wrong? how could following all these rules come out bad all the time? things should be going great, but they are going down so fast i am praying constantly&#8230; i have no one to talk to, everyone is telling me that what i am doing is the right thing, i cant get any other answers, and everything that i have acheived is coming to naught. </p>
<p>I was so sure, i never bothered to learn how the system that was not to be worked&#8230;  it made no sense to me since it was to be replaced with something better. </p>
<p>it must be those who disagree with me either in the open or secretly. they must be opposing me and doing so well i didnt see them. thats why nothings working. those people are purposefully sabotaging it to make me look bad to preserve the status quo. </p>
<p>what do i do?</p>
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		By: Cappy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cappy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very tired of Obama slurring any that would seem to be crackers in his extremely bigoted eyes.

Stupid plumber

Stupid clingers

Stupid cops

Stupid Flanders.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very tired of Obama slurring any that would seem to be crackers in his extremely bigoted eyes.</p>
<p>Stupid plumber</p>
<p>Stupid clingers</p>
<p>Stupid cops</p>
<p>Stupid Flanders.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chastened, but still useless.

Powerline gives his non-apology &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/07/024119.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a good fisking&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;i&gt;This is classic Obama: he didn&#039;t &quot;unfortunately&quot; &quot;give an impression&quot; that he was maligning Crowley, he maligned him by saying that Crowley &quot;acted stupidly.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chastened, but still useless.</p>
<p>Powerline gives his non-apology <a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/07/024119.php" rel="nofollow">a good fisking</a>:</p>
<p><i>This is classic Obama: he didn&#8217;t &#8220;unfortunately&#8221; &#8220;give an impression&#8221; that he was maligning Crowley, he maligned him by saying that Crowley &#8220;acted stupidly.&#8221;</i></p>
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