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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Congress gets Filet Mignon and we get Chuck-eye but hey we can all choose small, medium, or large!
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by george i think they are starting to get it. thats what it means to change to a two class society. the rulers, and the serfs... 

Under Marxism the middle class will be gradually reduced to the economic level of existing poverty:

&quot;You must, therefore, confess that by &quot;individual&quot; you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must, indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible.&quot;  Karl Marx


&quot;We aspire to be a classless society - a middle-class country in which the door of opportunity are open to all.&quot;  Rham Emmanuel



&quot;I do not claim to have discovered either the existence of classes in modern society or the struggle between them...My own contribution was

1. to show that the existence of classes is merely bound up with certain historical phases in the development of production;

2. that the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat;

3. that this dictatorship itself constitutes no more than a transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society.&quot;  Karl Marx 1852



&quot;The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite.&quot;    Thomas Jefferson

&quot;A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers&quot;.  F. A. Hayek]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Congress gets Filet Mignon and we get Chuck-eye but hey we can all choose small, medium, or large!<br />
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<p>by george i think they are starting to get it. thats what it means to change to a two class society. the rulers, and the serfs&#8230; </p>
<p>Under Marxism the middle class will be gradually reduced to the economic level of existing poverty:</p>
<p>&#8220;You must, therefore, confess that by &#8220;individual&#8221; you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must, indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible.&#8221;  Karl Marx</p>
<p>&#8220;We aspire to be a classless society &#8211; a middle-class country in which the door of opportunity are open to all.&#8221;  Rham Emmanuel</p>
<p>&#8220;I do not claim to have discovered either the existence of classes in modern society or the struggle between them&#8230;My own contribution was</p>
<p>1. to show that the existence of classes is merely bound up with certain historical phases in the development of production;</p>
<p>2. that the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat;</p>
<p>3. that this dictatorship itself constitutes no more than a transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society.&#8221;  Karl Marx 1852</p>
<p>&#8220;The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite.&#8221;    Thomas Jefferson</p>
<p>&#8220;A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers&#8221;.  F. A. Hayek</p>
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		By: strcpy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;That was very slick. I didn’t hear the word largely. It was because the phrase I quoted of the president stood on it’s own but it was in a sentence with the qualifier earlier.&quot;

You will also note that he says &quot;which is they go – there is a marketplace of different plans that they can access, depending on what’s best for their families. &quot; which is a VERY different answer than we get the same coverage Congress does.

That is Obama is saying we will have largely the same amount of choices - we all can eat at a buffet - but the contents may not be the same. Congress gets Filet Mignon and we get Chuck-eye but hey we can all choose small, medium, or large!

You can be sure that Obama understood the difference there and until/unless he gets called on it he will simply make fun of the messenger without actually addressing the question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That was very slick. I didn’t hear the word largely. It was because the phrase I quoted of the president stood on it’s own but it was in a sentence with the qualifier earlier.&#8221;</p>
<p>You will also note that he says &#8220;which is they go – there is a marketplace of different plans that they can access, depending on what’s best for their families. &#8221; which is a VERY different answer than we get the same coverage Congress does.</p>
<p>That is Obama is saying we will have largely the same amount of choices &#8211; we all can eat at a buffet &#8211; but the contents may not be the same. Congress gets Filet Mignon and we get Chuck-eye but hey we can all choose small, medium, or large!</p>
<p>You can be sure that Obama understood the difference there and until/unless he gets called on it he will simply make fun of the messenger without actually addressing the question.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It was the 40th anniversary of Chappaquidick the other day. In memory perhaps we should name the new health plan after Mary Jo Kopechne.

Don&#039;t get sick; don&#039;t get trapped in sinking cars driven by Democrats!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the 40th anniversary of Chappaquidick the other day. In memory perhaps we should name the new health plan after Mary Jo Kopechne.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get sick; don&#8217;t get trapped in sinking cars driven by Democrats!</p>
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		By: Baklava		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baklava]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo wrote, &quot;&lt;em&gt;Baklava: largely the same thing that Congress enjoys. Note the qualifier.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/News-Conference-by-the-President-July-22-2009/

&lt;em&gt;Two questions.  One, can you guarantee that this legislation will lock in and say the government will never deny any services; that that&#039;s going to be decided by the doctor and the patient, and the government will not deny any coverage?  And secondarily, can you, as a symbolic gesture, say that you and the Congress will abide by the same benefits in that public option?

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, number one, not only the public option but the insurance regulation that we want to put in place will &lt;strong&gt;largely&lt;/strong&gt; match up with what members of Congress are getting through the federal employee plan.  That&#039;s a good example of what we&#039;re trying to build for the American people -- &lt;strong&gt;the same thing that Congress enjoys&lt;/strong&gt;, which is they go -- there is a marketplace of different plans that they can access, depending on what&#039;s best for their families. &lt;/em&gt;

That was very slick. I didn&#039;t hear the word largely. It was because the phrase I quoted of the president stood on it&#039;s own but it was in a sentence with the qualifier earlier.

Got to give it to him. He&#039;s slick. Would Ted Kennedy be treated by Obama&#039;s plan as he was ??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo wrote, &#8220;<em>Baklava: largely the same thing that Congress enjoys. Note the qualifier.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/News-Conference-by-the-President-July-22-2009/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/News-Conference-by-the-President-July-22-2009/</a></p>
<p><em>Two questions.  One, can you guarantee that this legislation will lock in and say the government will never deny any services; that that&#8217;s going to be decided by the doctor and the patient, and the government will not deny any coverage?  And secondarily, can you, as a symbolic gesture, say that you and the Congress will abide by the same benefits in that public option?</p>
<p>THE PRESIDENT:  Well, number one, not only the public option but the insurance regulation that we want to put in place will <strong>largely</strong> match up with what members of Congress are getting through the federal employee plan.  That&#8217;s a good example of what we&#8217;re trying to build for the American people &#8212; <strong>the same thing that Congress enjoys</strong>, which is they go &#8212; there is a marketplace of different plans that they can access, depending on what&#8217;s best for their families. </em></p>
<p>That was very slick. I didn&#8217;t hear the word largely. It was because the phrase I quoted of the president stood on it&#8217;s own but it was in a sentence with the qualifier earlier.</p>
<p>Got to give it to him. He&#8217;s slick. Would Ted Kennedy be treated by Obama&#8217;s plan as he was ??</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A good lawyer can argue  (once the state controls things) that it violates equal protection if some get a different plan.  then again, maybe not]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good lawyer can argue  (once the state controls things) that it violates equal protection if some get a different plan.  then again, maybe not</p>
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		By: Perfected democrat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Perfected democrat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I watched a good part of the press conference.  Obungler says we&#039;re going to save significant money because in the new system doctors will not be ordering redundunt tests that they do now because they aren&#039;t communicating with one another; Generic medicines will be used in lieu of brand names, for further savings... Finally, then he told a tale about inheriting GWB&#039;s 10 trillion dollar deficit, and how the dimocrats have cut that to 7.2 trillion (if my short term memory serves me), and he says this all with a straight face, and the media don&#039;t get up and walk out on the traitor.  We are in deep trouble...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched a good part of the press conference.  Obungler says we&#8217;re going to save significant money because in the new system doctors will not be ordering redundunt tests that they do now because they aren&#8217;t communicating with one another; Generic medicines will be used in lieu of brand names, for further savings&#8230; Finally, then he told a tale about inheriting GWB&#8217;s 10 trillion dollar deficit, and how the dimocrats have cut that to 7.2 trillion (if my short term memory serves me), and he says this all with a straight face, and the media don&#8217;t get up and walk out on the traitor.  We are in deep trouble&#8230;</p>
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		By: Don B		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To ELC (and all readers) -- &quot;What kind of person does that?&quot; -- the [sly] fox!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To ELC (and all readers) &#8212; &#8220;What kind of person does that?&#8221; &#8212; the [sly] fox!</p>
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		By: Don B		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I vote for &quot;Ignorant&quot; (read: dumb like a fox!) and &quot;Arrogant&quot;, &quot;Knave&quot;, and (it goes without saying) &quot;Liar&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vote for &#8220;Ignorant&#8221; (read: dumb like a fox!) and &#8220;Arrogant&#8221;, &#8220;Knave&#8221;, and (it goes without saying) &#8220;Liar&#8221;.</p>
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		By: ELC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ELC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama is amazing, actually. He&#039;s just like Lincoln was, except completely different. Lincoln was extremely careful to make sure that he said what he meant and meant what he said. (His famous &lt;a href=&quot;http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=lincoln;cc=lincoln;type=simple;rgn=div1;q1=Horace%20Greeley;singlegenre=All;view=text;subview=detail;sort=occur;idno=lincoln5;node=lincoln5%3A848&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;letter&lt;/a&gt; to Horace Greeley is probably the finest example of that kind of precision; it should, perhaps, be mentioned that Lincoln and Greeley had been friends already for years.) Obama, on the other hand, seems to take great care to avoid saying what he means and to mean other than what he says.

Obama seems to engage in a great deal of cogitation before expressing himself (off-prompter); too bad the effort seems to be to keep himself from saying what he&#039;s actually thinking. What kind of person does that? And how long can he keep it up consistently? And what are the consequences to his psyche of doing so?

P.S. I am not watching the press conference, so I am not basing my comments on it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is amazing, actually. He&#8217;s just like Lincoln was, except completely different. Lincoln was extremely careful to make sure that he said what he meant and meant what he said. (His famous <a href="http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=lincoln;cc=lincoln;type=simple;rgn=div1;q1=Horace%20Greeley;singlegenre=All;view=text;subview=detail;sort=occur;idno=lincoln5;node=lincoln5%3A848" rel="nofollow">letter</a> to Horace Greeley is probably the finest example of that kind of precision; it should, perhaps, be mentioned that Lincoln and Greeley had been friends already for years.) Obama, on the other hand, seems to take great care to avoid saying what he means and to mean other than what he says.</p>
<p>Obama seems to engage in a great deal of cogitation before expressing himself (off-prompter); too bad the effort seems to be to keep himself from saying what he&#8217;s actually thinking. What kind of person does that? And how long can he keep it up consistently? And what are the consequences to his psyche of doing so?</p>
<p>P.S. I am not watching the press conference, so I am not basing my comments on it.</p>
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		By: Vieux Charles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vieux Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was going to go see my doctor because my neck&#039;s been a bit stiff, but now I&#039;m afraid that instead of fixing that my doctor will try and take my tonsils out.

No really, Obama just said it.

As for your question neo, is Obama &quot;ignorant or arrogant? fool or knave? liar or stupid?&quot; 

After watching fourth prime time press report I&#039;d have to say - YES.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to go see my doctor because my neck&#8217;s been a bit stiff, but now I&#8217;m afraid that instead of fixing that my doctor will try and take my tonsils out.</p>
<p>No really, Obama just said it.</p>
<p>As for your question neo, is Obama &#8220;ignorant or arrogant? fool or knave? liar or stupid?&#8221; </p>
<p>After watching fourth prime time press report I&#8217;d have to say &#8211; YES.</p>
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