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		By: Foxfier		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/13/health-care-reform-getting-the-good-stuff-without-paying-for-it/#comment-116539</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foxfier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How about giving ERs the right to reject folks who aren&#039;t actual emergencies?

I know even in the small town my aunt was a receptionist for, they had folks coming in with *slivers*, or other &quot;wounds&quot; cured with a band-aid and tweezers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about giving ERs the right to reject folks who aren&#8217;t actual emergencies?</p>
<p>I know even in the small town my aunt was a receptionist for, they had folks coming in with *slivers*, or other &#8220;wounds&#8221; cured with a band-aid and tweezers.</p>
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		By: Thomass		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Roy Lofquist Says: 

&quot;The admitting staff refers non-emergency cases to a nearby general practitioner under contract?&quot;

If the government does take over heath care, when the dust settles and the history of what happened gets sorted out, I think a lot of it will have to do with the industry not being creative and fixing these kinds of problems. I mean your right, ERs are full because the same people use them over and over for primary care. Then there is the stupid insurance system we have (not that private insurance is bad, just how it is ordered now)... et cetera...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy Lofquist Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;The admitting staff refers non-emergency cases to a nearby general practitioner under contract?&#8221;</p>
<p>If the government does take over heath care, when the dust settles and the history of what happened gets sorted out, I think a lot of it will have to do with the industry not being creative and fixing these kinds of problems. I mean your right, ERs are full because the same people use them over and over for primary care. Then there is the stupid insurance system we have (not that private insurance is bad, just how it is ordered now)&#8230; et cetera&#8230;</p>
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		By: Thomass		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jim G. Says: 

&quot;3. Reverse the ruling that allowed drug companies to advertise their drugs.&quot;

They must think they get more than they spend.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim G. Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;3. Reverse the ruling that allowed drug companies to advertise their drugs.&#8221;</p>
<p>They must think they get more than they spend.</p>
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		By: Jim G.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/13/health-care-reform-getting-the-good-stuff-without-paying-for-it/#comment-116346</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim G.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are three things that would impact healthcare costs without much tinkering with the system.
1. Tort reform. Put limits on pain and suffering rewards.  Bush tried this, but was rebuffed by the Dems and the trial lawyers. Such reform woulld lower malpractice insurance rates.
2. There are not enough Drs. and nurses to handle all the present demand for medical care. The government could incentivize students to train as doctors and nurses through scholarships, grants, and tax incentives.  When you have  a larger supply of trained professionals competition increases and prices do not rise as quickly.
3. Reverse the ruling that allowed drug companies to advertise their drugs. They are spending huge sums advertising erectile dysfunction drugs, anti-cholestoral drugs, sleep aid drugs, and similar high cost drugs. Is there anyone who has read a news magazine or watched TV who doesn&#039;t know about  these drugs? Why do they keep pushing them like no one had heard of them? Could they not charge less if they didn&#039;t advertise? Also, why do drug  prices keep going up.  I take generic blood pressure drug that&#039;s been off patent for a long time. But every so often  the price goes up. Why?

Obama and company have not identified where they would bring costs under control. They are just saying, &quot;Pass this legislation and prices will somehow be brought under control.&quot; Fortunately, many people don&#039;t believe them.

Those who cannot afford health insurance or pay for health care themselves are part of the problem because they can always get care at an emergency room. It is, however, very expensive care.  Encouraging store front  clinics such as Walmart is setting up in some of their stores, could be a place where low cost and charity care could be dispensed that would take a load off the emergency rooms. Medicaid is basically medical welfare for low income people. These clinics could be  for Medicaid recipients as well. That might help cut costs at the margins and make care more convenient to access. 

It&#039;s a knotty problem and there are no clear cut answers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are three things that would impact healthcare costs without much tinkering with the system.<br />
1. Tort reform. Put limits on pain and suffering rewards.  Bush tried this, but was rebuffed by the Dems and the trial lawyers. Such reform woulld lower malpractice insurance rates.<br />
2. There are not enough Drs. and nurses to handle all the present demand for medical care. The government could incentivize students to train as doctors and nurses through scholarships, grants, and tax incentives.  When you have  a larger supply of trained professionals competition increases and prices do not rise as quickly.<br />
3. Reverse the ruling that allowed drug companies to advertise their drugs. They are spending huge sums advertising erectile dysfunction drugs, anti-cholestoral drugs, sleep aid drugs, and similar high cost drugs. Is there anyone who has read a news magazine or watched TV who doesn&#8217;t know about  these drugs? Why do they keep pushing them like no one had heard of them? Could they not charge less if they didn&#8217;t advertise? Also, why do drug  prices keep going up.  I take generic blood pressure drug that&#8217;s been off patent for a long time. But every so often  the price goes up. Why?</p>
<p>Obama and company have not identified where they would bring costs under control. They are just saying, &#8220;Pass this legislation and prices will somehow be brought under control.&#8221; Fortunately, many people don&#8217;t believe them.</p>
<p>Those who cannot afford health insurance or pay for health care themselves are part of the problem because they can always get care at an emergency room. It is, however, very expensive care.  Encouraging store front  clinics such as Walmart is setting up in some of their stores, could be a place where low cost and charity care could be dispensed that would take a load off the emergency rooms. Medicaid is basically medical welfare for low income people. These clinics could be  for Medicaid recipients as well. That might help cut costs at the margins and make care more convenient to access. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a knotty problem and there are no clear cut answers.</p>
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		By: Thomass		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Same old Jedi mind trick bs. Didn&#039;t he open his salvo for this in a speech where he said something about &#039;we are out of money&#039; and morphed that into a pitch for this expensive program?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same old Jedi mind trick bs. Didn&#8217;t he open his salvo for this in a speech where he said something about &#8216;we are out of money&#8217; and morphed that into a pitch for this expensive program?</p>
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		By: Roy Lofquist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy Lofquist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We hear a constant litany of complaints that &quot;emergency room&quot; care is very expensive and a major cost burden is treating indigents is these facilities. How about this? The admitting staff refers non-emergency cases to a nearby general practitioner under contract?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We hear a constant litany of complaints that &#8220;emergency room&#8221; care is very expensive and a major cost burden is treating indigents is these facilities. How about this? The admitting staff refers non-emergency cases to a nearby general practitioner under contract?</p>
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		By: Holmes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Holmes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If we want quality care for the poor, we should buy it directly and provide the services (as Bush did with community health centers).  Having us push towards a single payer system, where eventually every person would have to be covered, is just another example of getting the entire country hooked on a state program narcotic; in the same way we are stuck with the current employer-provided insurance system due to government intervention (but at least we/employers still have choices), we would be stuck with the single payer for generations to come and at the mercy of bureaucratic decision makers. 

Also, speaking of getting the good stuff without payign for it- much of the rest of the world benefits from our system. Just as europe did not have to pay for their own defense during the cold war, they did not have to pay for innovation in health systems- they could, as megan mcardle has put it recently, &quot;cherry pick&quot; the best from our system while incorporating it into a national health care system.  Those free rider days will be over.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we want quality care for the poor, we should buy it directly and provide the services (as Bush did with community health centers).  Having us push towards a single payer system, where eventually every person would have to be covered, is just another example of getting the entire country hooked on a state program narcotic; in the same way we are stuck with the current employer-provided insurance system due to government intervention (but at least we/employers still have choices), we would be stuck with the single payer for generations to come and at the mercy of bureaucratic decision makers. </p>
<p>Also, speaking of getting the good stuff without payign for it- much of the rest of the world benefits from our system. Just as europe did not have to pay for their own defense during the cold war, they did not have to pay for innovation in health systems- they could, as megan mcardle has put it recently, &#8220;cherry pick&#8221; the best from our system while incorporating it into a national health care system.  Those free rider days will be over.</p>
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		By: Hogarth		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hogarth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I am not for abolishing a decent level of care for the poor, and I am willing to pay to do so...&quot;

Yeah, but it would be nice if they &lt;i&gt;asked&lt;/i&gt; how I felt about it now and then. Oh, that and maybe a little gratitude instead of the vilification.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am not for abolishing a decent level of care for the poor, and I am willing to pay to do so&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, but it would be nice if they <i>asked</i> how I felt about it now and then. Oh, that and maybe a little gratitude instead of the vilification.</p>
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		By: Webutante		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Webutante]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is such an important topic and no future healthcare program will be without limits and massive problems.

In case you&#039;re not aware of it TennCare in my home state of Tennessee is a great example of the trials and tribulations of programs such as Obama wants to enact.

A link to it is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TennCare

But bottom line: it almost brought the whole of the state government&#039;s annual budget down as people moved into Tennessee from everywhere to take advantage of this rich assortment of &quot;free&quot; benefits.

In the end---it will never be over--- Gov.  Phil Bredesen, a fiscal conservative Dem, has had to make some very tough decisions toning the program down, while the state has been sued by predatory lawyers every step of the way.  All this has threatened schools, education, prisons, parks, highways, and everything in between. This state case needs to be studied by all honest people who struggle with universal care.

In the end, I&#039;m with you Neo.  I never mind paying more at the hospital---though I now negotiate all my bills and get a great rate and have very low insurance rates with a high deductible---in order to help others who don&#039;t have insurance.  Still, when the government starts mandating too much, it leave me cold.

Sadly there&#039;s no free lunch here and the people who take the best care of themselve through diet and exercise and healthy lifestyles will be required to pay for those who want a high level of care while continuing to smoke and eat bon-bons. 

But at some point a line will always have to be drawn and re-drawn.  And if it&#039;s a lesser line that&#039;s when lawyers like John Edwards come rushing in to file massive class-action lawsuits.  That only adds to the cost.

If nothing else we need to limit liability for these predatory suits.  That alone would keep some costs down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such an important topic and no future healthcare program will be without limits and massive problems.</p>
<p>In case you&#8217;re not aware of it TennCare in my home state of Tennessee is a great example of the trials and tribulations of programs such as Obama wants to enact.</p>
<p>A link to it is here: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TennCare" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TennCare</a></p>
<p>But bottom line: it almost brought the whole of the state government&#8217;s annual budget down as people moved into Tennessee from everywhere to take advantage of this rich assortment of &#8220;free&#8221; benefits.</p>
<p>In the end&#8212;it will never be over&#8212; Gov.  Phil Bredesen, a fiscal conservative Dem, has had to make some very tough decisions toning the program down, while the state has been sued by predatory lawyers every step of the way.  All this has threatened schools, education, prisons, parks, highways, and everything in between. This state case needs to be studied by all honest people who struggle with universal care.</p>
<p>In the end, I&#8217;m with you Neo.  I never mind paying more at the hospital&#8212;though I now negotiate all my bills and get a great rate and have very low insurance rates with a high deductible&#8212;in order to help others who don&#8217;t have insurance.  Still, when the government starts mandating too much, it leave me cold.</p>
<p>Sadly there&#8217;s no free lunch here and the people who take the best care of themselve through diet and exercise and healthy lifestyles will be required to pay for those who want a high level of care while continuing to smoke and eat bon-bons. </p>
<p>But at some point a line will always have to be drawn and re-drawn.  And if it&#8217;s a lesser line that&#8217;s when lawyers like John Edwards come rushing in to file massive class-action lawsuits.  That only adds to the cost.</p>
<p>If nothing else we need to limit liability for these predatory suits.  That alone would keep some costs down.</p>
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		By: Oh, bother		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oh, bother]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How is it possible otherwise intelligent people can get so off?

Because intelligence, being fairly common, is so readily mistaken for wisdom, a rare commodity indeed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it possible otherwise intelligent people can get so off?</p>
<p>Because intelligence, being fairly common, is so readily mistaken for wisdom, a rare commodity indeed.</p>
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