Comments on: Telling the tale of the Left: apostates and escapees https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/ A blog about political change, among other things Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:13:40 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Artfldgr https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116288 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:13:40 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116288 the revolutionary world storm = holocaust

]]> By: Artfldgr https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116287 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:13:13 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116287 “All the other large and small nationalities and peoples are destined to perish before long in the revolutionary world storm… these residual fragments of peoples always become fanatical standard-bearers of counter-revolution and remain so until their complete extirpation or loss of their national character… [A general war will] wipe out all these petty hidebound nations, down to their very names. The next world war will result in the disappearance from the face of the earth not only of reactionary classes and dynasties, but also of entire reactionary peoples. And that, too, is a step forward.” — Friedrich Engels, “The Magyar Struggle,” Neue Rhenische Zeitung, January 13, 1849

then he is a rude guest with such an inflated opinion of himself that he feels no compunction about talking far longer than anyone else.

and are you the host? then if not, who is ruder?
the host has me here, she allows me to post, when they are too long, she edits them.

so what is you f n problem?

[edited by neo-neocon]

]]> By: huxley https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116243 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:07:30 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116243 It’s obviously neo’s call as to what to do, if anything.

JohnC, Oblio — True enough. I do understand that I’m just a guest at this particular dinner table.

However, assuming that Artfldgr is not mentally ill, then he is a rude guest with such an inflated opinion of himself that he feels no compunction about talking far longer than anyone else.

And, for the most part, he does not converse, but simply dumps big chunks of whatever he knows or remembers or associates or imagines about the subject at hand.

When 25-50% of a comment thread is Artfldgr blather it is hard to follow the flow of conversation. That’s primarily what I object to.

So I’m content to ignore his posts, if he keeps them down to the polite size and frequency that the rest of us somehow manage to live with.

]]> By: Artfldgr https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116236 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:06:19 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116236 happens all the time. but they all think it doesnt

forgot to mention. i am a red head… you would think that clever people would realize that the red head has heard all their jokes… jibes, and things.

i also have a big nose… same thing.

its why the response they get is never waht the expected. since they think they are so clever..

You may go or, tell me why are you staring at my nose! Stepping up to him Does it astonish you? Your grace misunderstands my- Is it long and soft And dangling like a trunk? I never said __ Or crooked, like an owls beak? A pimple ornaments the end of it? Or a fly parading up and down? What is this portent?

and on intelligence, my nose, and my hair, i often feel exactly the same way…

Smallmy nose? Why
Magnificent,
My nose! You pug, you knob, you button-head,
Know that I glory in this nose of mine,
For a great nose indicate a great man
Genial, courteous, intellectual,
Virile, courageous as I am and such
As you poor wretch will never dare to be
Even in imagination. For that face
That blank, inglorious concavity
Which my right hand finds
on top of you
Is as devoid of pride, of poetry,
Of soul, of picturesqueness, of contour,
Of character of NOSE in short as that
takes Meddler by the shoulders and turns him around, suiting action to words
Which at the end of that limp spine of yours
My left foot

[heck it was so true there is a japanese samurai version. heh hehe]

]]> By: Artfldgr https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116235 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:59:26 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116235 I’m one that doesn’t mind some long comments, although if the Dodger reads this I hope he does not think I’m advocating that he redouble his efforts

no no no no no no no grackle..

i want to write better… and sometimes writing here has given me the chaince to learn.. (especially when neo cuts somethign down… ).

i have met very few people who can keep up with me, and even fewer that can do that accross domains. thats just how it is.. i cant help it.

there is no real way to come at these things and know what level to come at them. so i usually write for the ignorant… the lowest denominator… so the more edumacated dont like it… and if i write for them, well the ignorant are even nastier cause thyen i am arrogant.

when your smart you cant win no matter what you do. you are the tall poppy, or the bent nail, and your going to get it if you participate.

oblio…
i am not really going for impact, just discussing the facts and such. most of the time if your careful you will note that i am not taking much of a side in things. and you cant necessarily figure out what side i am on by what i post.

i adapt easily to things, so which side people take usually matters little to me… even now, with this all happening. as long as i dont get marched off someplace, i will do well… my issue is having others do well as well.

i guess from time to time someone will get annoyed and think that they are representatvie of the masses, and they will pop up again like huxley and they will say similar (happens all the time. but they all think it doesnt).

if you read the posts, what it was was a social power play… and not what it seemed to be over. the idea is that they may gain power by getting otehrs to side with them when they find some common ill to commiserate over.

its the us against him…. he tried to be the leader of us, and found out no one was standing behind him that he respected…

like napoleon leaving elba, and nothing happens.

]]> By: Oblio https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116226 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:21:43 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116226 huxley, I appreciate your concern about artfldgr, but this is properly Neo’s role.

artfldgr has better times and worse times. He does best when he takes the time to capitalize and punctuate before posting. Artfldgr, you have more impact when you take your time.

]]> By: Hong https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116221 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:09:48 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116221 I wonder if we need another Presidential candidate who, like Reagan, changed from being a liberal to a conservative. If you need a former Leftist to understand your enemy than there’s no one on the playing field who qualifies. Mccain, God bless him, did his best but was outmatched probably because he didn’t really understand his opponent and how he thought. Who’s a former Leftist whose now a conservative Republican politician? I can’t think of a one.

By the way, it seems to me that “Progressive Liberalism” is an oxymoron.

Couldn’t agree more. When I think of something that’s Progressive I imagine arthritis and scoliosis. Both ‘progress’ in a negative, painful way that distorts and deforms the body. Liberalism is the arthritis of the mind and soul. Obamanomics will do the same to our economy.

]]> By: grackle https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116219 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:56:21 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116219 I’m not sure I represent a true conversion. For starters, I don’t seem to easily fit on the political spectrum. I don’t see my own conversion as one toward the Right. I was never Left. I viewed politics as boring. I was apolitical and then gradually realized that I had better pay attention. A lot of things influenced me.

The aftermath of the Vietnam War, after we had abandoned the South Vietnamese, was disturbing. I came to realize that the intelligentsia was pathological and intent on rationalizing their deep-seated hatred of the USA, the loathing being simply the manifestation of their own sickness and unwarranted anxiety.

I don’t like to be manipulated. I don’t like folks that want to boss everyone around and make everyone behave in a certain way when there is no need except to satisfy their own sense of order or decorum. I see this tendency in the extremes of both the Left and the Right.

]]> By: grackle https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116215 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:30:37 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116215 I rarely agree with Artfldgr but I like to browse a variety of opinion. In the past I’ve thought of him as too conspiratorial minded but here lately with the Obama power grabs I’m reassessing. He usually has his facts in order — it’s his interpretation with which I generally find fault. The John Holdren material was interesting — a bit disturbing, really.

I’m one that doesn’t mind some long comments, although if the Dodger reads this I hope he does not think I’m advocating that he redouble his efforts. If I get tired of reading I find it easy to skip to the next comment. Tolerance. It’s a quality worth cultivating.

]]> By: JohnC https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116198 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:51:05 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/10/telling-the-tale-of-the-left-apostates-and-escapees/#comment-116198 Huxley – I’m with you. I appreciate your concern about Artfldgr’s mental health and you put your finger exactly on his blog behavior and weak justifications. Perhaps only Neo herself could have done a better job. It’s obviously her call as to what to do, if anything. I can’t and won’t speak for her of course, but if I were in her shoes my reasoning would be that he doesn’t really harm anyone, he hasn’t quite crossed a line, and anyway, if his way of blogging helps him in blow some steam, then that might be a good thing in a small way. Note that she has reined him in on occasion, but he’s back to his old ways in a few days as you point out. As for me, I’ve long since stopped reading Artfldgr. I’ll venture that most regulars in here don’t read him either. My guess is that they know he could say what he wants to say in a single paragraph of decently tuned writing most of the time. Don’t ask for evidence because I can’t remember exactly who and when has complained about Artfldgr over the past year or so, but I know Fredhjr was in that group, that group of thoughtful ones, and he wasn’t nearly as kind about it as you have been. Skip over Artfldgr.

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