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					<description><![CDATA[i will tell you the truth.. 

if i do that (and i have), then everyone hates me big time.

going fast and not thinking is a fairness thing. if i slowly think things trough and such, i will come up with the tiny trump that no one can touch, or i will not debate as its not there. 

its like playing speed chess against a regular chess or email chess player... they get hours days or a month for their move, i get 2 mins for the whole game. 

if its a choice between a gentler scatter with more options to play agaisnt or for me, the more i am accepted. 

if i am a top sniper and i keep plinking away each person...  

been there done that. 

i have been told that when i debate and concentrate my oponents are so painted in that they cant respond at all. 

in lessers this generally is when the fight breaks out, literally. 

in the inner city as a kid with the mama talk and ranking games... 

here is one.. 
someone called me a mother F... 

i reply, your right! your completely right
your mom didnt complain half as much as you. 

constant trumps makes hate... 

i am at least glad that you took the time and such to help me understand where your coming from. its is appreciated. 

but in many ways, few take the time to understand where i am coming from and how my talents are a living hell... (quite literally). 

Eidetic memory, photographic memory, or total recall is the ability to recall images, sounds, or objects in memory with extreme accuracy and in abundant volume.

almost no one has really total recall.. for me facts are like languages to a linguist.  how can a person be fluent in 400 languages?  well learn enough and you learn the meta rules that language is about and so you can learn them without so much. 

same with facts. our schools teach them discordantly unconnected and such... but if you cast away the specialization of ants, and the vertical konwlge, and you try to educate like the old days (like i was), then your like our founding fathers and others of that period where you are not just vertical and dumb everywhere else. 

&lt;i&gt;Many people who generally have a good memory claim to have eidetic memory. However, there are distinct differences in the manner in which information is processed. People who have a generally capable memory often use mnemonic devices to retain information while those with eidetic memory remember very specific details, such as where a person was standing, what the person was wearing, etc. They may recall an event with great detail while those with a normal memory remember daily routines rather than specific details that may have interrupted a routine.

&lt;/i&gt;

i remember once at my first fortune 10 job..  i was working away on cics... and a consultant came in and asked a question of someone else. they didnt know the answer. i told him to go to the documentaion room. the wall on the right... top shelf, look for the ibm 370 manual...go to around page 130...   

he sniffed and went off...  i expected him not to look, but he did... i guess he wanted to screw me so went to get the info and hoped to have a story to tell about a little snip...  i was off by 2 pages. 

anotehr day someone asked me and i said go to the cobol manual, before the index, in front of the title page,  at the bottom is the answer to your question...  the other went there, looked, and he found out that this revision of the language didnt have that math function...  but unless you read that littel note. you would never know it. 

the memory is hit or miss though in categories. cant remember names, but i can recongize faces regardless of how they disguise them. 

neo can affirm my photography.. 

she can also affirm smoe of my other extreme talents, like photo realistic drawing. 



if i was too terse with you walla. i am sorry...  i have the same problem that aspergers people suffer from.   i am so different that others dont allow me to be with them. 

i love people. think their great.. but they like artificial realities more than the real one, and i am the opposite.  i love the real one. like lao tsu, i taste the vinnegar and smile.  

in my real world, there are no people i can talk to. recently i ahve become friends with a top genomics genetics professor.  so at least i have someone i can talk to about genetics  and scinece now... (he is amazed that a man with only a high school diploma knws as much as he does and even more in many cases. i have won bets on how they would make stem cells (in detail), and lots of other stuff. poor guy.. i am too much to handle... 

no... i have always been apart.. red hair made it worse... and no.. i am not uncoordinated.. 

i have taken top IQ tests...  mensa is a joke...
average IQ for bronx science at the time was 140

i wasnt average...  and it sucks so much... 

oh how it sucks... if you think people hate the wealthy, i will tell you that they hate the smart more, and funny thing is that above 120-130, the benifits decline...   



you can find me all over the net at different stages (search artfldgr batmax)... from physics to sensors... to mens news daily (i was a blog wonk with my own column there, and can go back and write... so i could be heard by more people easily, and yes, i can write better if i take the time and i go over it and refine it)

but i go where the converstation is juiciest, not where the most can hear my prattle. 

and thats from me is one of the highst compliments i can give neo&#039;s place here. 


if a square peg dont fit in a round world
what the hell does a 5 dimension hypercube fit?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i will tell you the truth.. </p>
<p>if i do that (and i have), then everyone hates me big time.</p>
<p>going fast and not thinking is a fairness thing. if i slowly think things trough and such, i will come up with the tiny trump that no one can touch, or i will not debate as its not there. </p>
<p>its like playing speed chess against a regular chess or email chess player&#8230; they get hours days or a month for their move, i get 2 mins for the whole game. </p>
<p>if its a choice between a gentler scatter with more options to play agaisnt or for me, the more i am accepted. </p>
<p>if i am a top sniper and i keep plinking away each person&#8230;  </p>
<p>been there done that. </p>
<p>i have been told that when i debate and concentrate my oponents are so painted in that they cant respond at all. </p>
<p>in lessers this generally is when the fight breaks out, literally. </p>
<p>in the inner city as a kid with the mama talk and ranking games&#8230; </p>
<p>here is one..<br />
someone called me a mother F&#8230; </p>
<p>i reply, your right! your completely right<br />
your mom didnt complain half as much as you. </p>
<p>constant trumps makes hate&#8230; </p>
<p>i am at least glad that you took the time and such to help me understand where your coming from. its is appreciated. </p>
<p>but in many ways, few take the time to understand where i am coming from and how my talents are a living hell&#8230; (quite literally). </p>
<p>Eidetic memory, photographic memory, or total recall is the ability to recall images, sounds, or objects in memory with extreme accuracy and in abundant volume.</p>
<p>almost no one has really total recall.. for me facts are like languages to a linguist.  how can a person be fluent in 400 languages?  well learn enough and you learn the meta rules that language is about and so you can learn them without so much. </p>
<p>same with facts. our schools teach them discordantly unconnected and such&#8230; but if you cast away the specialization of ants, and the vertical konwlge, and you try to educate like the old days (like i was), then your like our founding fathers and others of that period where you are not just vertical and dumb everywhere else. </p>
<p><i>Many people who generally have a good memory claim to have eidetic memory. However, there are distinct differences in the manner in which information is processed. People who have a generally capable memory often use mnemonic devices to retain information while those with eidetic memory remember very specific details, such as where a person was standing, what the person was wearing, etc. They may recall an event with great detail while those with a normal memory remember daily routines rather than specific details that may have interrupted a routine.</p>
<p></i></p>
<p>i remember once at my first fortune 10 job..  i was working away on cics&#8230; and a consultant came in and asked a question of someone else. they didnt know the answer. i told him to go to the documentaion room. the wall on the right&#8230; top shelf, look for the ibm 370 manual&#8230;go to around page 130&#8230;   </p>
<p>he sniffed and went off&#8230;  i expected him not to look, but he did&#8230; i guess he wanted to screw me so went to get the info and hoped to have a story to tell about a little snip&#8230;  i was off by 2 pages. </p>
<p>anotehr day someone asked me and i said go to the cobol manual, before the index, in front of the title page,  at the bottom is the answer to your question&#8230;  the other went there, looked, and he found out that this revision of the language didnt have that math function&#8230;  but unless you read that littel note. you would never know it. </p>
<p>the memory is hit or miss though in categories. cant remember names, but i can recongize faces regardless of how they disguise them. </p>
<p>neo can affirm my photography.. </p>
<p>she can also affirm smoe of my other extreme talents, like photo realistic drawing. </p>
<p>if i was too terse with you walla. i am sorry&#8230;  i have the same problem that aspergers people suffer from.   i am so different that others dont allow me to be with them. </p>
<p>i love people. think their great.. but they like artificial realities more than the real one, and i am the opposite.  i love the real one. like lao tsu, i taste the vinnegar and smile.  </p>
<p>in my real world, there are no people i can talk to. recently i ahve become friends with a top genomics genetics professor.  so at least i have someone i can talk to about genetics  and scinece now&#8230; (he is amazed that a man with only a high school diploma knws as much as he does and even more in many cases. i have won bets on how they would make stem cells (in detail), and lots of other stuff. poor guy.. i am too much to handle&#8230; </p>
<p>no&#8230; i have always been apart.. red hair made it worse&#8230; and no.. i am not uncoordinated.. </p>
<p>i have taken top IQ tests&#8230;  mensa is a joke&#8230;<br />
average IQ for bronx science at the time was 140</p>
<p>i wasnt average&#8230;  and it sucks so much&#8230; </p>
<p>oh how it sucks&#8230; if you think people hate the wealthy, i will tell you that they hate the smart more, and funny thing is that above 120-130, the benifits decline&#8230;   </p>
<p>you can find me all over the net at different stages (search artfldgr batmax)&#8230; from physics to sensors&#8230; to mens news daily (i was a blog wonk with my own column there, and can go back and write&#8230; so i could be heard by more people easily, and yes, i can write better if i take the time and i go over it and refine it)</p>
<p>but i go where the converstation is juiciest, not where the most can hear my prattle. </p>
<p>and thats from me is one of the highst compliments i can give neo&#8217;s place here. </p>
<p>if a square peg dont fit in a round world<br />
what the hell does a 5 dimension hypercube fit?</p>
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		By: Wolla Dalbo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/08/first-they-came-for-the-auto-companies/#comment-115858</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr--I didn&#039;t say &quot;begone,&quot; I said focus, pick a target, concentrate on it, and try to better express yourself.  

A shotgun blast at close range is so devastating because the choke concentrates all the explosive energy and shot into a small area.  No choke, or fire from further away from the target, and the explosive energy dissipates, the shot spreads out and hits all over the target area or beyond it, with much less effect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr&#8211;I didn&#8217;t say &#8220;begone,&#8221; I said focus, pick a target, concentrate on it, and try to better express yourself.  </p>
<p>A shotgun blast at close range is so devastating because the choke concentrates all the explosive energy and shot into a small area.  No choke, or fire from further away from the target, and the explosive energy dissipates, the shot spreads out and hits all over the target area or beyond it, with much less effect.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/08/first-they-came-for-the-auto-companies/#comment-115853</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ok... 

then can you tie together margeret sanger negro projects goals to ruth bader ginsbert? 

&lt;i&gt;
Q: Are you talking about the distances women have to travel because in parts of the country, abortion is essentially unavailable, because there are so few doctors and clinics that do the procedure? And also, the lack of Medicaid for abortions for poor women? 

JUSTICE GINSBURG: Yes, the ruling about that surprised me. [Harris v. McRae – in 1980 the court upheld the Hyde Amendment, which forbids the use of Medicaid for abortions.] &lt;b&gt;Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.&lt;/b&gt; So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion. Which some people felt would risk coercing women into having abortions when they didn’t really want them. But when the court decided McRae, the case came out the other way. And then I realized that my perception of it had been altogether wrong.
&lt;/i&gt;

sorry... but for me, thats too much like. 

&lt;i&gt;The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.&quot; -- Margaret Sanger, letter to Clarence Gamble, Dec. 10,1939. - Sanger manuscripts, Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College. (Dec. 10 is the correct date of the letter. There is a different date circulated, e.g. Oct. 19, 1939; but Dec. 10 is the correct date of Ms Sanger&#039;s letter to Mr. Gamble.)&lt;/i&gt;

and then tie that to the activist that went under cover to planned parenthood wanting to donate to exterminate black babies. 

Lila Rose, went undercover to many clinics and exposed that they dont report statutory rape, they lie on the forms, and they do not mind taking money from a racist wanting to eliminate a black baby so that his kids can do better. 

&lt;i&gt;According to Bryan Fisher, executive director of Idaho Values Alliance, Planned Parenthood, which gets an estimated $200 million annually from U.S. taxpayers, has located nearly 80 percent of its clinics nationwide in minority neighborhoods, and about one-third of all abortions are performed on blacks, even though they make up only 13 percent of the population&lt;/i&gt;

reverreng jessy jackson originally rode on a platform to stop this, and when reaching power, suddenly reversed himself on it. 

The UCLA Advocate released a transcript:
&lt;i&gt;Actor: I want to specify that abortion to help a minority group, would that be possible?
Planned Parenthood: Absolutely.
Actor: Like the black community for example?
Planned Parenthood: Certainly.
Actor: The abortion — I can give money specifically for a black baby, that would be the purpose?
Planned Parenthood: Absolutely. If you wanted to designate that your gift be used to help an African-American woman in need, then we would certainly make sure that the gift was earmarked for that purpose.
Actor: Great, because I really faced trouble with affirmative action, and I don&#039;t want my kids to be disadvantaged against black kids. I just had a baby; I want to put it in his name.
Planned Parenthood: Yes, absolutely.
Actor: And we don&#039;t, you know we just think, the less black kids out there the better.
Planned Parenthood: (Laughs) Understandable, understandable.
Actor: Right. I want to protect my son, so he can get into college.
Planned Parenthood: All right. Excuse my hesitation, this is the first time I&#039;ve had a donor call and make this kind of request, so I&#039;m excited, and want to make sure I don&#039;t leave anything out.
&lt;/i&gt;

and note that if you export abortion to all these other countries... you will exterminate more people of color, since the world is populated by more people of color. 



======================

look i learned my lessons from the knee of an adopted uncle (he had no family after the war), he survived 8 years in the gulag. we worked long and hard with BATUN to get my elderly granmothers out. my family and myself are here now because we picked up on all this and left. 

that is my family was able to pick up on things and realize there was no way to ride it out and know the outcome. so they packed up their stuff, got steerage, abandoned their territory (they were land owners and butchers), and came here with nothing.  

my wife is just as interesting, she is chinese, and has family in communist china, and in indonesia. they were political avtive and part of the suharto office (and sukarno)...  i had some great conversations with the distant family members who have many factories in china, and one who is running an NGO there (dangerous). 

and through the years i have known some famous people who were friends of the family that also came from the same political jobs. 



so...  lets let neo put it to a vote... 
and if the yeahs have it i will just leave...

if i have a larger burden of having to write better, not talk about things, etc... why bother?  i dont have the time to compose, and you do have the choice to ignore me. (but alas if others talk with me, you find it harder to tune out what you dont like and so have to remove the thorn) 

[edited for length by neo-neocon]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok&#8230; </p>
<p>then can you tie together margeret sanger negro projects goals to ruth bader ginsbert? </p>
<p><i><br />
Q: Are you talking about the distances women have to travel because in parts of the country, abortion is essentially unavailable, because there are so few doctors and clinics that do the procedure? And also, the lack of Medicaid for abortions for poor women? </p>
<p>JUSTICE GINSBURG: Yes, the ruling about that surprised me. [Harris v. McRae – in 1980 the court upheld the Hyde Amendment, which forbids the use of Medicaid for abortions.] <b>Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.</b> So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion. Which some people felt would risk coercing women into having abortions when they didn’t really want them. But when the court decided McRae, the case came out the other way. And then I realized that my perception of it had been altogether wrong.<br />
</i></p>
<p>sorry&#8230; but for me, thats too much like. </p>
<p><i>The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.&#8221; &#8212; Margaret Sanger, letter to Clarence Gamble, Dec. 10,1939. &#8211; Sanger manuscripts, Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College. (Dec. 10 is the correct date of the letter. There is a different date circulated, e.g. Oct. 19, 1939; but Dec. 10 is the correct date of Ms Sanger&#8217;s letter to Mr. Gamble.)</i></p>
<p>and then tie that to the activist that went under cover to planned parenthood wanting to donate to exterminate black babies. </p>
<p>Lila Rose, went undercover to many clinics and exposed that they dont report statutory rape, they lie on the forms, and they do not mind taking money from a racist wanting to eliminate a black baby so that his kids can do better. </p>
<p><i>According to Bryan Fisher, executive director of Idaho Values Alliance, Planned Parenthood, which gets an estimated $200 million annually from U.S. taxpayers, has located nearly 80 percent of its clinics nationwide in minority neighborhoods, and about one-third of all abortions are performed on blacks, even though they make up only 13 percent of the population</i></p>
<p>reverreng jessy jackson originally rode on a platform to stop this, and when reaching power, suddenly reversed himself on it. </p>
<p>The UCLA Advocate released a transcript:<br />
<i>Actor: I want to specify that abortion to help a minority group, would that be possible?<br />
Planned Parenthood: Absolutely.<br />
Actor: Like the black community for example?<br />
Planned Parenthood: Certainly.<br />
Actor: The abortion — I can give money specifically for a black baby, that would be the purpose?<br />
Planned Parenthood: Absolutely. If you wanted to designate that your gift be used to help an African-American woman in need, then we would certainly make sure that the gift was earmarked for that purpose.<br />
Actor: Great, because I really faced trouble with affirmative action, and I don&#8217;t want my kids to be disadvantaged against black kids. I just had a baby; I want to put it in his name.<br />
Planned Parenthood: Yes, absolutely.<br />
Actor: And we don&#8217;t, you know we just think, the less black kids out there the better.<br />
Planned Parenthood: (Laughs) Understandable, understandable.<br />
Actor: Right. I want to protect my son, so he can get into college.<br />
Planned Parenthood: All right. Excuse my hesitation, this is the first time I&#8217;ve had a donor call and make this kind of request, so I&#8217;m excited, and want to make sure I don&#8217;t leave anything out.<br />
</i></p>
<p>and note that if you export abortion to all these other countries&#8230; you will exterminate more people of color, since the world is populated by more people of color. </p>
<p>======================</p>
<p>look i learned my lessons from the knee of an adopted uncle (he had no family after the war), he survived 8 years in the gulag. we worked long and hard with BATUN to get my elderly granmothers out. my family and myself are here now because we picked up on all this and left. </p>
<p>that is my family was able to pick up on things and realize there was no way to ride it out and know the outcome. so they packed up their stuff, got steerage, abandoned their territory (they were land owners and butchers), and came here with nothing.  </p>
<p>my wife is just as interesting, she is chinese, and has family in communist china, and in indonesia. they were political avtive and part of the suharto office (and sukarno)&#8230;  i had some great conversations with the distant family members who have many factories in china, and one who is running an NGO there (dangerous). </p>
<p>and through the years i have known some famous people who were friends of the family that also came from the same political jobs. </p>
<p>so&#8230;  lets let neo put it to a vote&#8230;<br />
and if the yeahs have it i will just leave&#8230;</p>
<p>if i have a larger burden of having to write better, not talk about things, etc&#8230; why bother?  i dont have the time to compose, and you do have the choice to ignore me. (but alas if others talk with me, you find it harder to tune out what you dont like and so have to remove the thorn) </p>
<p>[edited for length by neo-neocon]</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr–look, man, get a grip.  Your stream of consciousness presentation, incomplete sentence structure, and combining item after item into one long, rambling, semi-incomprehensible list is getting old.

Surveying the landscape, there are a million curious, interesting, and sometimes deadly things out there, a whole catalog of things that are not right--old and new injustices that should be addressed and rectified, things that are little known or recognized but should be, and different levels of knowledge and awareness, “fools gold” and real gold.  But, life is short and--as those of our ancestors that survived to reproduce did--you need to “filter” to determine which targets and situations really matter, and then “focus” on the most critical one or two such targets; those that have the greatest potential for dire, real time, immediate and/or deep and lasting effects on you, your family, your livelihood, our democracy and the country as a whole, threats that you have at least some chance of diluting, diverting, mitigating or eliminating.  Obama &#038; Co.’s destruction of the Rule of Law, growing Economic Fascism--Cap and Trade, the Nationalization of major sectors of our economy, of Health Care and Education--policies destroying our Capitalist system, the soundness and value of our dollar, and leading to potential hyperinflation,  Obama &#038; Co.’s enormous economy and credit wrecking national deficits and debt, too large to ever be paid off for generations–if ever; all are palpable, massive, immediate and credible threats.

To my knowledge, REX84 is not real or a threat, but I’d say the recent House bill introduced by impeached federal Judge, and now Florida Democratic Congressman, the Far Left Alcee Hastings, which, curiously, does set up sites for the “housing” of people in “emergencies”–a concept that is open to a wide variety of interpretations–is worth keeping our eyes on, as is the “hate speech” bill I mentioned earlier.  The activities of the new Cybersecurity CZAR, and ACORN’s involvement with the Census are among other major things that need watching, too.  It seems to me that, particularly in the context of all of the unconstitutional on their face, unusual and suspect actions by Obama &#038; Co so far, these are among the concrete threats that have the potential to seriously and permanently damage us right now.

As I have written here before, what was formerly &quot;unthinkable&quot; has now become increasingly thinkable in Obama &#038; Co.’s America.  If we want our democracy and freedoms to survive, we had better focus on the here and now, understand the concept of “bad faith,” and apply the templates of Socialism/Tyranny/Fascism/Marxist dictatorship and their histories and development in understanding and assessing Obama &#038; Co.’s actions, and not the formerly applicable, but now disastrously misleading template of Democracy (that assumes “good faith”) that we have, up until now, been fortunate enough to be able to routinely use.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr–look, man, get a grip.  Your stream of consciousness presentation, incomplete sentence structure, and combining item after item into one long, rambling, semi-incomprehensible list is getting old.</p>
<p>Surveying the landscape, there are a million curious, interesting, and sometimes deadly things out there, a whole catalog of things that are not right&#8211;old and new injustices that should be addressed and rectified, things that are little known or recognized but should be, and different levels of knowledge and awareness, “fools gold” and real gold.  But, life is short and&#8211;as those of our ancestors that survived to reproduce did&#8211;you need to “filter” to determine which targets and situations really matter, and then “focus” on the most critical one or two such targets; those that have the greatest potential for dire, real time, immediate and/or deep and lasting effects on you, your family, your livelihood, our democracy and the country as a whole, threats that you have at least some chance of diluting, diverting, mitigating or eliminating.  Obama &amp; Co.’s destruction of the Rule of Law, growing Economic Fascism&#8211;Cap and Trade, the Nationalization of major sectors of our economy, of Health Care and Education&#8211;policies destroying our Capitalist system, the soundness and value of our dollar, and leading to potential hyperinflation,  Obama &amp; Co.’s enormous economy and credit wrecking national deficits and debt, too large to ever be paid off for generations–if ever; all are palpable, massive, immediate and credible threats.</p>
<p>To my knowledge, REX84 is not real or a threat, but I’d say the recent House bill introduced by impeached federal Judge, and now Florida Democratic Congressman, the Far Left Alcee Hastings, which, curiously, does set up sites for the “housing” of people in “emergencies”–a concept that is open to a wide variety of interpretations–is worth keeping our eyes on, as is the “hate speech” bill I mentioned earlier.  The activities of the new Cybersecurity CZAR, and ACORN’s involvement with the Census are among other major things that need watching, too.  It seems to me that, particularly in the context of all of the unconstitutional on their face, unusual and suspect actions by Obama &amp; Co so far, these are among the concrete threats that have the potential to seriously and permanently damage us right now.</p>
<p>As I have written here before, what was formerly &#8220;unthinkable&#8221; has now become increasingly thinkable in Obama &amp; Co.’s America.  If we want our democracy and freedoms to survive, we had better focus on the here and now, understand the concept of “bad faith,” and apply the templates of Socialism/Tyranny/Fascism/Marxist dictatorship and their histories and development in understanding and assessing Obama &amp; Co.’s actions, and not the formerly applicable, but now disastrously misleading template of Democracy (that assumes “good faith”) that we have, up until now, been fortunate enough to be able to routinely use.</p>
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		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/08/first-they-came-for-the-auto-companies/#comment-115841</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[and another quesion, that may interest neo... since she also mentioned tin hat that is now not tin hat... 

what makes something tin hat? 

we assume invalidity, but thats not a correct assumption is it?

we also definitely cant assume validity either. 

but like calling someone a fascist, or a tin hatter, or a person on the right, whats the purpose of those terms in this usage rather than share the information? 

rather than sharing information and getting everyone on the same page, it instead is used reflexivly to control other people. who may or may not know even. 

there is an interview coming out in the times (it may be out, or i may have the paper wrong), it will be with ruth bader ginsberg on roe v wade.  

read it carefully, you will hear her admit that the jurors were thinking eugenics...  that they were worried about global populations...  

when we talk of Sanger and planned parenthood being eugenics, out comes tin hat again.. right? 

and thats even after reading her own statments from her autobiography in 1927...  like the post that mentioned bezmenov... &quot;you ocant change them, you cant convince them, etc&quot;...

but sangers original program was called the negro project. she started the american eugenics movement (and another woman did exactly the same thing in the UK at the same time). hitlers people wrote to her for information for their programs.

but... thats all &quot;tin hat&quot;... 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and another quesion, that may interest neo&#8230; since she also mentioned tin hat that is now not tin hat&#8230; </p>
<p>what makes something tin hat? </p>
<p>we assume invalidity, but thats not a correct assumption is it?</p>
<p>we also definitely cant assume validity either. </p>
<p>but like calling someone a fascist, or a tin hatter, or a person on the right, whats the purpose of those terms in this usage rather than share the information? </p>
<p>rather than sharing information and getting everyone on the same page, it instead is used reflexivly to control other people. who may or may not know even. </p>
<p>there is an interview coming out in the times (it may be out, or i may have the paper wrong), it will be with ruth bader ginsberg on roe v wade.  </p>
<p>read it carefully, you will hear her admit that the jurors were thinking eugenics&#8230;  that they were worried about global populations&#8230;  </p>
<p>when we talk of Sanger and planned parenthood being eugenics, out comes tin hat again.. right? </p>
<p>and thats even after reading her own statments from her autobiography in 1927&#8230;  like the post that mentioned bezmenov&#8230; &#8220;you ocant change them, you cant convince them, etc&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>but sangers original program was called the negro project. she started the american eugenics movement (and another woman did exactly the same thing in the UK at the same time). hitlers people wrote to her for information for their programs.</p>
<p>but&#8230; thats all &#8220;tin hat&#8221;&#8230; </p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I never said it was not a crock... 

i said and i quote directly

&quot;i sure as heck dont know&quot;

soooooo how is that fit with what your saying?  i havent the slightest idea on this one. period. 

on other things. i DID know stuff on. 

here we sit contemplating the fascistic take over of the united states, but some things are still not to be brought in the conversation cause they are verboten. 

Wolla.. how about this for a better angle... 

rather than &quot;argue from authority&quot;  

see: www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html 

rather than tell me its X-Files, and shut me up with credentials when i said I DONT KNOW.. 

how about teaching me on this one?

give me a break on the other stuff, cause i have been right on the other stuff, and even occam has confirmed stuff (as well as others). 

when i dont know, i dont know. i dont say i know. 

but right now i live in a inner city neighborhood which is one of the most dense multicultural places on the planet (over 800).   in my neighborhood you can see burkas, and about 4 different versions depending on which country and form. down the blok they put carpets on the ground and they have daily prayer (the same mosque that the fbi arrestted someone)... down the other block i got crips... the other direction... bloods... somewhere i there is also latin kings.

in the past year i have been attcked for ruining america in the supermarket...  more than once this year someone razor bladed my clothing on the subway.  at the local home depot, a crazy looney came in and yelled about obama going to take it all away and they are going to pay back and walked out. 

so really... if you lived next to a section 8 development, and you were a disfavored class, wouldnt it be good to know which one of these thigns was valid or not. 

so PLEASE, share why it was found invalid. what was the facts discovered that would put it all to rest? 

that would be very usfil.  a CV and name calling is not. 

and huxley. which tin foil point do you want to bring up... EVERY one of them i put up links and such to. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said it was not a crock&#8230; </p>
<p>i said and i quote directly</p>
<p>&#8220;i sure as heck dont know&#8221;</p>
<p>soooooo how is that fit with what your saying?  i havent the slightest idea on this one. period. </p>
<p>on other things. i DID know stuff on. </p>
<p>here we sit contemplating the fascistic take over of the united states, but some things are still not to be brought in the conversation cause they are verboten. </p>
<p>Wolla.. how about this for a better angle&#8230; </p>
<p>rather than &#8220;argue from authority&#8221;  </p>
<p>see: <a href="http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html</a> </p>
<p>rather than tell me its X-Files, and shut me up with credentials when i said I DONT KNOW.. </p>
<p>how about teaching me on this one?</p>
<p>give me a break on the other stuff, cause i have been right on the other stuff, and even occam has confirmed stuff (as well as others). </p>
<p>when i dont know, i dont know. i dont say i know. </p>
<p>but right now i live in a inner city neighborhood which is one of the most dense multicultural places on the planet (over 800).   in my neighborhood you can see burkas, and about 4 different versions depending on which country and form. down the blok they put carpets on the ground and they have daily prayer (the same mosque that the fbi arrestted someone)&#8230; down the other block i got crips&#8230; the other direction&#8230; bloods&#8230; somewhere i there is also latin kings.</p>
<p>in the past year i have been attcked for ruining america in the supermarket&#8230;  more than once this year someone razor bladed my clothing on the subway.  at the local home depot, a crazy looney came in and yelled about obama going to take it all away and they are going to pay back and walked out. </p>
<p>so really&#8230; if you lived next to a section 8 development, and you were a disfavored class, wouldnt it be good to know which one of these thigns was valid or not. </p>
<p>so PLEASE, share why it was found invalid. what was the facts discovered that would put it all to rest? </p>
<p>that would be very usfil.  a CV and name calling is not. </p>
<p>and huxley. which tin foil point do you want to bring up&#8230; EVERY one of them i put up links and such to. </p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr--Sorry, but I used to do research in a premier think tank on Capitol Hill, researching a vast array of subjects over the course of 25 years there, most reasonably ordinary, some in X-file territory, and the material we gathered in our file on REX84 indicated that it was a crock.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr&#8211;Sorry, but I used to do research in a premier think tank on Capitol Hill, researching a vast array of subjects over the course of 25 years there, most reasonably ordinary, some in X-file territory, and the material we gathered in our file on REX84 indicated that it was a crock.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr: You are the largest purveyor of tinfoil on this blog.

Note the classic crank &quot;yeah, but&quot; topic switch to some almost pointless anecdote complete with lots of breathless Von Daniken-style questioning and of course eccentric capitalization.

You don&#039;t have to write like a crank but you do, and it would take some real work, editing, and genuine critical thinking for you to do otherwise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr: You are the largest purveyor of tinfoil on this blog.</p>
<p>Note the classic crank &#8220;yeah, but&#8221; topic switch to some almost pointless anecdote complete with lots of breathless Von Daniken-style questioning and of course eccentric capitalization.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to write like a crank but you do, and it would take some real work, editing, and genuine critical thinking for you to do otherwise.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[yeah, but in light of now, does it mean anything? i sure as heck dont know. but its not nice when things like this are worked out and stored for a rainy day.

without all the games that may throw people nutty and have them doing things to each other

Akron police investigate teen mob attack on family 
www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html

&lt;i&gt;Akron police say they aren&#039;t ready to call it a hate crime or a gang initiation. 
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Out of nowhere, the six were attacked by dozens of teenage boys, who shouted &#039;&#039;This is our world&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;This is a black world&#039;&#039; as they confronted Marshall and his family.

The Marshalls, who are white, say the crowd of teens who attacked them and two friends June 27 on Girard Street numbered close to 50. The teens were all black.
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Marshall spent five nights in the critical care unit with a concussion and multiple bruises to his head and eye&lt;/i&gt;

did it happen that way? was something left out?(most likely) Are there other incidents occuring that are not newsworthy? 

are the politicos nutty, or do they believe and know that what they are doing will eventually reach a let them eat cake moment? 

hope a lot of people wake up and start asking whats going on...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, but in light of now, does it mean anything? i sure as heck dont know. but its not nice when things like this are worked out and stored for a rainy day.</p>
<p>without all the games that may throw people nutty and have them doing things to each other</p>
<p>Akron police investigate teen mob attack on family<br />
<a href="http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html</a></p>
<p><i>Akron police say they aren&#8217;t ready to call it a hate crime or a gang initiation.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Out of nowhere, the six were attacked by dozens of teenage boys, who shouted &#8221;This is our world&#8221; and &#8221;This is a black world&#8221; as they confronted Marshall and his family.</p>
<p>The Marshalls, who are white, say the crowd of teens who attacked them and two friends June 27 on Girard Street numbered close to 50. The teens were all black.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Marshall spent five nights in the critical care unit with a concussion and multiple bruises to his head and eye</i></p>
<p>did it happen that way? was something left out?(most likely) Are there other incidents occuring that are not newsworthy? </p>
<p>are the politicos nutty, or do they believe and know that what they are doing will eventually reach a let them eat cake moment? </p>
<p>hope a lot of people wake up and start asking whats going on&#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr: When I was a leftist in the Eighties, I heard the same tinfoil about REX84 from my more paranoid fellow leftists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr: When I was a leftist in the Eighties, I heard the same tinfoil about REX84 from my more paranoid fellow leftists.</p>
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