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		By: Pragmatist		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/07/01/leon-wieseltier-gets-it-and-yet-doesnt-get-it/#comment-114899</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pragmatist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the NAZI Night of the Long Knives many Brownshirts died with &#039;Heil Hitler&#039; on their lips such was their sublime gullibility and incapability of understanding that their Fuehrer could have betrayed them and their socialist beliefs.
The same thing is happening to American liberals now they cannot or rather will not believe that the &#039;hope and change&#039; THEY voted for is not the &#039;Hope and Change&#039; that LIAR Messiah and BOGUS POTUS is forcing on them. 
It was ever thus gullible, hysterical, emotional worshipers are ALWAYS the last to wake up and smell the coffee.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the NAZI Night of the Long Knives many Brownshirts died with &#8216;Heil Hitler&#8217; on their lips such was their sublime gullibility and incapability of understanding that their Fuehrer could have betrayed them and their socialist beliefs.<br />
The same thing is happening to American liberals now they cannot or rather will not believe that the &#8216;hope and change&#8217; THEY voted for is not the &#8216;Hope and Change&#8217; that LIAR Messiah and BOGUS POTUS is forcing on them.<br />
It was ever thus gullible, hysterical, emotional worshipers are ALWAYS the last to wake up and smell the coffee.</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo-
Feelings (on Pres-for-Life)...How do I get these feelings? I&#039;m not singing, either. When one&#039;s dark fears are repeatedly realized, one begins to get these feelings.

Thanks for your diligent homework. 

Serrano (D-Bronx) has no cosponsors yet, which doesn&#039;t mean much these days. At last count, the Dems hold well less than 67% of state houses, so the Republic may yet stand. But no one of us can afford any complacency or confidence. 

Dark days.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo-<br />
Feelings (on Pres-for-Life)&#8230;How do I get these feelings? I&#8217;m not singing, either. When one&#8217;s dark fears are repeatedly realized, one begins to get these feelings.</p>
<p>Thanks for your diligent homework. </p>
<p>Serrano (D-Bronx) has no cosponsors yet, which doesn&#8217;t mean much these days. At last count, the Dems hold well less than 67% of state houses, so the Republic may yet stand. But no one of us can afford any complacency or confidence. </p>
<p>Dark days.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom: please take a look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/02/end22-is-this-why-obama-supports-zelaya/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom: please take a look at <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2009/07/02/end22-is-this-why-obama-supports-zelaya/" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</p>
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		By: Old Dad		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Dad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama is a con on the make. He has used and then trashed people all his life. Witness the growig body count under his bus. His schtick is lefty elitism, but he has no firm convictions. Hence, in unguarded moments he appears shockingly shallow, as with Joe the Plumber.

This gig is all about Obama, and a major subplot is revenge. He&#039;s going to once and for all stick it to the man. His mother couldn&#039;t. His father couldn&#039;t. Now he can. That explains his carelessness, his recklessness. The size of the mess is the point.

It&#039;s important to note how Obama has behaved in his private moments--extravagant parties, ridiculous food, multimillion dollar luaus. We see the thug in all his glory. Let them eat cake.

The facade will crumble, but it depends in no small part (unfortunately) on the media. Obama is incapable of supporting a sustained, rational, discourse. He&#039;s smart, but not that smart, and he dosen&#039;t know much. In an odd way, he&#039;s lived a very sheltered life.

My guess is that Putin will eat him up. Unfortunately, the spectacle may occur behind closed doors. The Emepror is naked.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is a con on the make. He has used and then trashed people all his life. Witness the growig body count under his bus. His schtick is lefty elitism, but he has no firm convictions. Hence, in unguarded moments he appears shockingly shallow, as with Joe the Plumber.</p>
<p>This gig is all about Obama, and a major subplot is revenge. He&#8217;s going to once and for all stick it to the man. His mother couldn&#8217;t. His father couldn&#8217;t. Now he can. That explains his carelessness, his recklessness. The size of the mess is the point.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to note how Obama has behaved in his private moments&#8211;extravagant parties, ridiculous food, multimillion dollar luaus. We see the thug in all his glory. Let them eat cake.</p>
<p>The facade will crumble, but it depends in no small part (unfortunately) on the media. Obama is incapable of supporting a sustained, rational, discourse. He&#8217;s smart, but not that smart, and he dosen&#8217;t know much. In an odd way, he&#8217;s lived a very sheltered life.</p>
<p>My guess is that Putin will eat him up. Unfortunately, the spectacle may occur behind closed doors. The Emepror is naked.</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s take the gloves off and keep &#039;em off.
Obonga (used in memory of FredHjr) is doing his level best to destroy us. Artfldgr is right in observing that Obonga et al. are girding up for 2010. They will not be defeated without bloodshed. 

I have for a time felt we are facing a President-for-Life. The whole process, since Obonga started his US Senate run, has been a political Perfect Storm. And we&#039;re in the boat. 

Theses are the darkest days for the American Republic since 1860. The outcome is in grave doubt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s take the gloves off and keep &#8217;em off.<br />
Obonga (used in memory of FredHjr) is doing his level best to destroy us. Artfldgr is right in observing that Obonga et al. are girding up for 2010. They will not be defeated without bloodshed. </p>
<p>I have for a time felt we are facing a President-for-Life. The whole process, since Obonga started his US Senate run, has been a political Perfect Storm. And we&#8217;re in the boat. </p>
<p>Theses are the darkest days for the American Republic since 1860. The outcome is in grave doubt.</p>
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		By: Hong		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo,

It sounds to me that you also believe, like Rush, that Obama&#039;s seeking a third term. It&#039;s a frightening concept but I agree. No President since Roosevelt has had the shameless audacity to override the legal framework of Capitalism like this one. It&#039;s likely that Obama will lay the groundwork for a leftist agenda that will stain the free market system in this country forever. I&#039;m gratified that more Americans are reaching this conclusion but for how long? Americans have short memories and they&#039;re getting no help educating themselves from the Obama media. I don&#039;t think Obama will get that third term but I think he&#039;s succeeded in bullying a generation of Republicans from speaking out or running in opposition to his ideology. Except for the same faces of Newt, Rush, Cheney, Rove and company, I see no one new. Where are the new Republicans to be the voice of opposition? And please don&#039;t say that twit Megan Mccain. lol]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,</p>
<p>It sounds to me that you also believe, like Rush, that Obama&#8217;s seeking a third term. It&#8217;s a frightening concept but I agree. No President since Roosevelt has had the shameless audacity to override the legal framework of Capitalism like this one. It&#8217;s likely that Obama will lay the groundwork for a leftist agenda that will stain the free market system in this country forever. I&#8217;m gratified that more Americans are reaching this conclusion but for how long? Americans have short memories and they&#8217;re getting no help educating themselves from the Obama media. I don&#8217;t think Obama will get that third term but I think he&#8217;s succeeded in bullying a generation of Republicans from speaking out or running in opposition to his ideology. Except for the same faces of Newt, Rush, Cheney, Rove and company, I see no one new. Where are the new Republicans to be the voice of opposition? And please don&#8217;t say that twit Megan Mccain. lol</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On the Volokh Conspiracy board, there was a thread which got to similar questions.
One commenter said something to the effect:
If you are going down a road marked &quot;This way to Gomorrah&quot; and you reach Gomorrah, your protestations that you wanted to go elsewhere--and that therefore this isn&#039;t your fault--are meaningless.
You are morally accountable for ignoring the signs.
O and his supporters are AT BEST morally accountable for ignoring the signs.
On the other hand, they may be willing the results, in which case their protestations are dishonest from the start.
In no way are they morally innocent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Volokh Conspiracy board, there was a thread which got to similar questions.<br />
One commenter said something to the effect:<br />
If you are going down a road marked &#8220;This way to Gomorrah&#8221; and you reach Gomorrah, your protestations that you wanted to go elsewhere&#8211;and that therefore this isn&#8217;t your fault&#8211;are meaningless.<br />
You are morally accountable for ignoring the signs.<br />
O and his supporters are AT BEST morally accountable for ignoring the signs.<br />
On the other hand, they may be willing the results, in which case their protestations are dishonest from the start.<br />
In no way are they morally innocent.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[how obama does it: leave the hard parts blank and let each person fill them in with something they find reasonable to themselves...  in this way you dont sway the group through argument you sway them by making a swiss cheese argument in which they fill in the key blanks and impossibilities and solutions with their own assumptions and in that way you win all who fill in blanks (most). 

the majority have been trained by movies and classes to fill in the blanks with your own story... 

the outcome is that most dont put a place marker in the blanks remembering they are blank. their minds make it all tidy, and so they never realize that he never said anything. 

this is how you sway the whole larger mass rather than the largest mass on the side of the best outcome for all which is always smaller than the number of imaginitive people filling in the blanks with the perfect argument (for them) to give benifit of the doubt towards the end they want most rather than the actual end.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how obama does it: leave the hard parts blank and let each person fill them in with something they find reasonable to themselves&#8230;  in this way you dont sway the group through argument you sway them by making a swiss cheese argument in which they fill in the key blanks and impossibilities and solutions with their own assumptions and in that way you win all who fill in blanks (most). </p>
<p>the majority have been trained by movies and classes to fill in the blanks with your own story&#8230; </p>
<p>the outcome is that most dont put a place marker in the blanks remembering they are blank. their minds make it all tidy, and so they never realize that he never said anything. </p>
<p>this is how you sway the whole larger mass rather than the largest mass on the side of the best outcome for all which is always smaller than the number of imaginitive people filling in the blanks with the perfect argument (for them) to give benifit of the doubt towards the end they want most rather than the actual end.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ok, 
  so one now believes that they have been on this angle from before the election. sooooooo... does everyone realize that they are ahead of us and most here are playing catch up?   that they are lagging?   

they already know what will happen, and so they are already ready for it. 

you can see hints but what comes after you have office and your changing everything? 

well, eventually realization comes... which is what is slowly happening now. 

so now their job, which was already started (and dont sloppily by napolitano), is to move the various and sundry rules in such a way that they can end the counter revolution without waking more up till it doesnt matter. 

everyone is talking about 2010 elections. guys. if this is any kind of power grab, or this is working towards some form of reformation. do you think that they will let things fall apart in less than a year?   no...  they are going to slam so much legislation through, then bog down the process after 2010 so the machine grinds stuck on their settings. 

Honduras is something they are trying to control. they DESPERATELY dont want a large number of americans reading and understanding what really happened there, so they are trying to freeze the lable of a coupe, or a military coupe. 

it was not a coupe. but they are going to paint it in everyones mind that way sure as you all have qwerty keyboards. 

they sure do not want the american people to get the idea that they can riot and impell or compell the military to remove the leaders who have violated oahts of office, or are not fit to serve, and then allow what remains to re-elect new officials in the same old way...  this fulfilling the area of the constitition that states when our state has overstepped, we can overstep back. 

honduras made that passage a reality and a power of a democratic REPUBLIC to maintain itself. 

most are not listening that they are referring to us as a democracy and them as a democracy but acting as if that means communism. well the soviets said they were a democracy of the people, and now they refer to themselves as a sovereign democracy...  so they are all, including obama in his words, saying the same thing with acceptable synonyms. 

acceptable synonyms is a concept that americans seem not to be able to understand even as they use them!!!  thats wack, hot, cool...    all acceptable synonyms for not good, and good in a certain way...  well progressive is an acceptable synonym for communist. neo liberal is an acceptable synonym for socialist. socialist is a more acceptable synonym than communist. 

and so the game goes round....

but if you have read enough of them to understand this, or even read the key document where someone declares the answer to this question is to do this and this and this, saul alinskies book is that.   (actually his book is a very carefully constructed mental virus that other types of state have immunity to, but a free open state does not. you dont have to take control of a state, you only have to drop his mind bomb into it, and the devious, power hungry and others within the state will all gravitate and go from feeble to organized and effective. the state will then become ineffective, and you then have your situation in the long game). 


&lt;i&gt;I mean, come on. How long can one sit and wonder what this guy is truly up to?&lt;/i&gt;

as neo said, some only woke up when the gas came through the shower heads, or when they were dragged out of bed and sat shoulder to shoulder in a tiny room, silent, hearing the screams of the suspects in the other room specially modified for such work (you think the rooms in saw or hostel were made up? they are similar to the rooms from history. and right now the russians are selling adventure cruises on their armed luxury yachts trying to bait african pirates so that they can kill people as a vacation)

like jonas goldberg said. it probably will not get that way here. we are more in a huxley world than a 1984 world...  we are more in a situation where we have drugs, entertainment, work and have no time to realize the wall constructed around us. 

what they fear is people realizing their real world options and acting on them, which as you can see, they will do if they realize what they can do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok,<br />
  so one now believes that they have been on this angle from before the election. sooooooo&#8230; does everyone realize that they are ahead of us and most here are playing catch up?   that they are lagging?   </p>
<p>they already know what will happen, and so they are already ready for it. </p>
<p>you can see hints but what comes after you have office and your changing everything? </p>
<p>well, eventually realization comes&#8230; which is what is slowly happening now. </p>
<p>so now their job, which was already started (and dont sloppily by napolitano), is to move the various and sundry rules in such a way that they can end the counter revolution without waking more up till it doesnt matter. </p>
<p>everyone is talking about 2010 elections. guys. if this is any kind of power grab, or this is working towards some form of reformation. do you think that they will let things fall apart in less than a year?   no&#8230;  they are going to slam so much legislation through, then bog down the process after 2010 so the machine grinds stuck on their settings. </p>
<p>Honduras is something they are trying to control. they DESPERATELY dont want a large number of americans reading and understanding what really happened there, so they are trying to freeze the lable of a coupe, or a military coupe. </p>
<p>it was not a coupe. but they are going to paint it in everyones mind that way sure as you all have qwerty keyboards. </p>
<p>they sure do not want the american people to get the idea that they can riot and impell or compell the military to remove the leaders who have violated oahts of office, or are not fit to serve, and then allow what remains to re-elect new officials in the same old way&#8230;  this fulfilling the area of the constitition that states when our state has overstepped, we can overstep back. </p>
<p>honduras made that passage a reality and a power of a democratic REPUBLIC to maintain itself. </p>
<p>most are not listening that they are referring to us as a democracy and them as a democracy but acting as if that means communism. well the soviets said they were a democracy of the people, and now they refer to themselves as a sovereign democracy&#8230;  so they are all, including obama in his words, saying the same thing with acceptable synonyms. </p>
<p>acceptable synonyms is a concept that americans seem not to be able to understand even as they use them!!!  thats wack, hot, cool&#8230;    all acceptable synonyms for not good, and good in a certain way&#8230;  well progressive is an acceptable synonym for communist. neo liberal is an acceptable synonym for socialist. socialist is a more acceptable synonym than communist. </p>
<p>and so the game goes round&#8230;.</p>
<p>but if you have read enough of them to understand this, or even read the key document where someone declares the answer to this question is to do this and this and this, saul alinskies book is that.   (actually his book is a very carefully constructed mental virus that other types of state have immunity to, but a free open state does not. you dont have to take control of a state, you only have to drop his mind bomb into it, and the devious, power hungry and others within the state will all gravitate and go from feeble to organized and effective. the state will then become ineffective, and you then have your situation in the long game). </p>
<p><i>I mean, come on. How long can one sit and wonder what this guy is truly up to?</i></p>
<p>as neo said, some only woke up when the gas came through the shower heads, or when they were dragged out of bed and sat shoulder to shoulder in a tiny room, silent, hearing the screams of the suspects in the other room specially modified for such work (you think the rooms in saw or hostel were made up? they are similar to the rooms from history. and right now the russians are selling adventure cruises on their armed luxury yachts trying to bait african pirates so that they can kill people as a vacation)</p>
<p>like jonas goldberg said. it probably will not get that way here. we are more in a huxley world than a 1984 world&#8230;  we are more in a situation where we have drugs, entertainment, work and have no time to realize the wall constructed around us. </p>
<p>what they fear is people realizing their real world options and acting on them, which as you can see, they will do if they realize what they can do.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[If we will be taxed for miles driven as opposed to fuel consumed, what&#039;s the benefit of owning a Prius vs. a semi loaded with cast iron pipe? Many drive for a living, or at least drive great cumulative distance in performing our jobs at various and sundry locations.
That is being penalized. Is he going to track combines at harvest time? Tractors? Fork lifts moving stock around in warehouses? Piece of cake with GPS. The very size of the U.S. ensures this type of tax to be a gold mine for Obama&#039;s plan.

I mean, come on. How long can one sit and wonder what this guy is truly up to?

Oh, and Matt, what happened to the Iranian hostages the day Reagan took the reins?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we will be taxed for miles driven as opposed to fuel consumed, what&#8217;s the benefit of owning a Prius vs. a semi loaded with cast iron pipe? Many drive for a living, or at least drive great cumulative distance in performing our jobs at various and sundry locations.<br />
That is being penalized. Is he going to track combines at harvest time? Tractors? Fork lifts moving stock around in warehouses? Piece of cake with GPS. The very size of the U.S. ensures this type of tax to be a gold mine for Obama&#8217;s plan.</p>
<p>I mean, come on. How long can one sit and wonder what this guy is truly up to?</p>
<p>Oh, and Matt, what happened to the Iranian hostages the day Reagan took the reins?</p>
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