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		By: DavefromdeSwamp		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/06/06/d-day-the-way-it-was-and-is/#comment-111961</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DavefromdeSwamp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember when the movie &quot;The Longest Day&quot; came out. We were stationed near Verdun. Thw movie was 3 hours long so the Armed Forces movie theater at Sidi Brahim offered a 15 minute intermission.  Almost all of the senior Officers and NCOs had served in WW2, my dad as a sniper in the Pacific. , Anyway, to the point , All these Giants were quietly smoking ,not looking at anything except their own thoughts, not a damn word was said, none were needed, they lived it. I thank God daily I was allowed to stand close to them. 

I know that those rumbles we feel are those Giants turning,, waiting for us ..to embark on saving their Great Crusade.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when the movie &#8220;The Longest Day&#8221; came out. We were stationed near Verdun. Thw movie was 3 hours long so the Armed Forces movie theater at Sidi Brahim offered a 15 minute intermission.  Almost all of the senior Officers and NCOs had served in WW2, my dad as a sniper in the Pacific. , Anyway, to the point , All these Giants were quietly smoking ,not looking at anything except their own thoughts, not a damn word was said, none were needed, they lived it. I thank God daily I was allowed to stand close to them. </p>
<p>I know that those rumbles we feel are those Giants turning,, waiting for us ..to embark on saving their Great Crusade.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And between Dieppe and D-Day was Slapton Sands.  
Blame?

Look up &quot;Sherman Tank&quot;.  On Wiki, it confirms what my father told me (he was an Infantry vet of the ETO).
The Germans called the Sherman the &quot;Ronson&quot;, after a cigarette lighter advertised to light first time, every time. When the Brits had Shermans, the Krauts called them &quot;Tommycookers&quot;.
Considering how much crap Bush got over underarmored Hummvees, it would be interesting to see what crap FDR got for the Sherman.  All BDS, but the people who don&#039;t know history don&#039;t even know they&#039;re spouting BDS, and those who do can be confident those they&#039;re trying to convince don&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And between Dieppe and D-Day was Slapton Sands.<br />
Blame?</p>
<p>Look up &#8220;Sherman Tank&#8221;.  On Wiki, it confirms what my father told me (he was an Infantry vet of the ETO).<br />
The Germans called the Sherman the &#8220;Ronson&#8221;, after a cigarette lighter advertised to light first time, every time. When the Brits had Shermans, the Krauts called them &#8220;Tommycookers&#8221;.<br />
Considering how much crap Bush got over underarmored Hummvees, it would be interesting to see what crap FDR got for the Sherman.  All BDS, but the people who don&#8217;t know history don&#8217;t even know they&#8217;re spouting BDS, and those who do can be confident those they&#8217;re trying to convince don&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: njcommuter		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/06/06/d-day-the-way-it-was-and-is/#comment-111893</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[njcommuter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The more one reads, the more impressed one becomes.  Most readers here probably know the role the USN&#039;s destroyers played: when it was clear that the invaders didn&#039;t have the heavy guns needed to destroy the German gun positions, one commander, on his own authority, ordered his ship to close toward shore and use its guns.  Other followed and soon the whole line was hugging the shore at the risk of grounding, throwing their weight into the fight.  As naval guns went, the destroyers were firing derringers, but compared to land-based artillery, they were quite respectable--and quite effective.

A bit of personal history: somewhere around 1970, Time Life advertised a series of books on WWII.  The featured volume was The Battle of Britain.  It matched them, as I recall, with what we would today call a mini-series on television.  I was too young to really appreciate this, but the name &quot;Battle of Britain&quot; caught my attention.  To name a battle after a river, a plan, a city, that I understood.  But to declare, as Churchill did, that a single battle engulfed a whole country touched a chord in me.

The Battle of Britain shared more with the campaigns of U. S. Grant in the east than with the classical battles of Alexander or Caesar.  It was a matter of unrelenting pressure punctuated by punishing attacks, intended to force an eventual collapse somewhere, followed by rapid exploitation.  Grant made it work.  Hitler could not, for various reasons.  (Large among them was the character and skill of the leaders.)

In 1978/79 I had a history teacher for whom the twentieth century was his life&#039;s history.  He was a replacement of a replacement, and I&#039;m sure he didn&#039;t look very promising on paper.  He declared that he&#039;d gotten into World War I by adding two years to his age, and into World War II by taking a few years off, and managed to stay in for Korea.  Whether it&#039;s true or not, I don&#039;t know.  But after a couple of days of confusion, we came to respect him for two things.  First, in the late summer heat, without air conditioning, he wore his suit every day and never showed an ounce of sweat--or discomfort.  Second, he began each class by copying out a part of the bafflegab that was the NY State History Syllabus, complete with typos.  Then he told the story of the period as one who lived it, in plain language.

That&#039;s when I realized that history and the present are a continuum, and that the contents of the history books are as relevant as what I lived myself.

And so I began to take history seriously, not as an object of study but as a part of living, and to question the judgement of news media, who were injecting opinion at an ever-increasing rate.

I don&#039;t even recall that teacher&#039;s name now, but I owe him a lot.  And I also owe a lot to Churchill, and to the &quot;old&quot; Time-Life for running those books when they did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more one reads, the more impressed one becomes.  Most readers here probably know the role the USN&#8217;s destroyers played: when it was clear that the invaders didn&#8217;t have the heavy guns needed to destroy the German gun positions, one commander, on his own authority, ordered his ship to close toward shore and use its guns.  Other followed and soon the whole line was hugging the shore at the risk of grounding, throwing their weight into the fight.  As naval guns went, the destroyers were firing derringers, but compared to land-based artillery, they were quite respectable&#8211;and quite effective.</p>
<p>A bit of personal history: somewhere around 1970, Time Life advertised a series of books on WWII.  The featured volume was The Battle of Britain.  It matched them, as I recall, with what we would today call a mini-series on television.  I was too young to really appreciate this, but the name &#8220;Battle of Britain&#8221; caught my attention.  To name a battle after a river, a plan, a city, that I understood.  But to declare, as Churchill did, that a single battle engulfed a whole country touched a chord in me.</p>
<p>The Battle of Britain shared more with the campaigns of U. S. Grant in the east than with the classical battles of Alexander or Caesar.  It was a matter of unrelenting pressure punctuated by punishing attacks, intended to force an eventual collapse somewhere, followed by rapid exploitation.  Grant made it work.  Hitler could not, for various reasons.  (Large among them was the character and skill of the leaders.)</p>
<p>In 1978/79 I had a history teacher for whom the twentieth century was his life&#8217;s history.  He was a replacement of a replacement, and I&#8217;m sure he didn&#8217;t look very promising on paper.  He declared that he&#8217;d gotten into World War I by adding two years to his age, and into World War II by taking a few years off, and managed to stay in for Korea.  Whether it&#8217;s true or not, I don&#8217;t know.  But after a couple of days of confusion, we came to respect him for two things.  First, in the late summer heat, without air conditioning, he wore his suit every day and never showed an ounce of sweat&#8211;or discomfort.  Second, he began each class by copying out a part of the bafflegab that was the NY State History Syllabus, complete with typos.  Then he told the story of the period as one who lived it, in plain language.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s when I realized that history and the present are a continuum, and that the contents of the history books are as relevant as what I lived myself.</p>
<p>And so I began to take history seriously, not as an object of study but as a part of living, and to question the judgement of news media, who were injecting opinion at an ever-increasing rate.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even recall that teacher&#8217;s name now, but I owe him a lot.  And I also owe a lot to Churchill, and to the &#8220;old&#8221; Time-Life for running those books when they did.</p>
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		By: FredHjr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Have any of you folks seen the photo making the rounds?  It&#039;s a picture of Mrs. Sarkozy of France looking very intently at what is happening at the D-Day Commemoration in Normandy, while The First Lady Gorilla is looking sideways at Mrs. Sarkozy giving her the stink-eye.  It&#039;s really very revealing.  Once again, Michelle Obama looking like her angry self...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have any of you folks seen the photo making the rounds?  It&#8217;s a picture of Mrs. Sarkozy of France looking very intently at what is happening at the D-Day Commemoration in Normandy, while The First Lady Gorilla is looking sideways at Mrs. Sarkozy giving her the stink-eye.  It&#8217;s really very revealing.  Once again, Michelle Obama looking like her angry self&#8230;</p>
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		By: Katrina		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katrina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello all

I just wanted to pass along that in Canada, we have the Royal Canadian Air, Army and Sea Cadets as do Britain, Australia, and Taiwan. 
www.cadets.ca/home-accueil.aspx
watch the video posted on the home page

These are kids between 12 and 19 years old who learn about many aspects of the military and our history, travel the country and the world, learn skills from public speaking to marksmanship, drill, and even how to fly a plane (full pilots license for deserving Air Cadets). 

My daughters are both Air Cadets and their Squadron was involved in a ceremony and laid a wreath at our local cenotaph for the D-Day remembrance. That&#039;s over 80 cadets from only 1 of the three groups in our small town, so I do have a small amount of hope that our children will be able to keep knowledge of these events and respect for those involved alive. After the ceremony my older daughter was approached by an elderly gentleman who told her he was an Air Cadet in 1948, congratulated her on the state of her uniform and the polish of her boots, and wished her the best in her life.

Canada may have a disappointing government history after WW2, but there is still a large segment of our population who will never forget and takes pride in our involvement in WW2.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all</p>
<p>I just wanted to pass along that in Canada, we have the Royal Canadian Air, Army and Sea Cadets as do Britain, Australia, and Taiwan.<br />
<a href="http://www.cadets.ca/home-accueil.aspx" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cadets.ca/home-accueil.aspx</a><br />
watch the video posted on the home page</p>
<p>These are kids between 12 and 19 years old who learn about many aspects of the military and our history, travel the country and the world, learn skills from public speaking to marksmanship, drill, and even how to fly a plane (full pilots license for deserving Air Cadets). </p>
<p>My daughters are both Air Cadets and their Squadron was involved in a ceremony and laid a wreath at our local cenotaph for the D-Day remembrance. That&#8217;s over 80 cadets from only 1 of the three groups in our small town, so I do have a small amount of hope that our children will be able to keep knowledge of these events and respect for those involved alive. After the ceremony my older daughter was approached by an elderly gentleman who told her he was an Air Cadet in 1948, congratulated her on the state of her uniform and the polish of her boots, and wished her the best in her life.</p>
<p>Canada may have a disappointing government history after WW2, but there is still a large segment of our population who will never forget and takes pride in our involvement in WW2.</p>
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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Assistant Village Idiot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They did this for me, yet to be born. 

Thanks, neo.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They did this for me, yet to be born. </p>
<p>Thanks, neo.</p>
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		By: FredHjr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FredHjr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;You can also tell many are ignorant of the history of Islam. I suspect many hear of the Crusades, but never hear of the centuries of Muslim expansion by the sword prior to the crusades.&quot;  by jon baker

This is exactly part of the problem.  History is compressed into stylized, short versions to fit certain templates that are politically expedient and convenient.  In fact, this is encouraged by the Muslims themselves and assisted by their Western enablers.  Many of whom are strategically placed and compromised.

And if you challenge these false views of history and Islamic theology, the same tactics the Left use to marginalize you are deployed.  Name calling, straw man, cannard, etc.

Judging by the evidence we have before us, it works and they are winning.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You can also tell many are ignorant of the history of Islam. I suspect many hear of the Crusades, but never hear of the centuries of Muslim expansion by the sword prior to the crusades.&#8221;  by jon baker</p>
<p>This is exactly part of the problem.  History is compressed into stylized, short versions to fit certain templates that are politically expedient and convenient.  In fact, this is encouraged by the Muslims themselves and assisted by their Western enablers.  Many of whom are strategically placed and compromised.</p>
<p>And if you challenge these false views of history and Islamic theology, the same tactics the Left use to marginalize you are deployed.  Name calling, straw man, cannard, etc.</p>
<p>Judging by the evidence we have before us, it works and they are winning.</p>
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		By: Cappy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cappy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 14:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the boomers had the great advantage and simultaneous disadvantage of having these heros as our parents.  My dad served in WW2.  So did almost all the parents of my friends, and our teachers, and the mailman, and the milkman, and the pharmacist.  They didn&#039;t brag about what they did.  But they all contributed to preserving our freedom and our very lives.  They may not have looked like John Wayne, but that quiet little guy that lived across the street and sold suits may have won a Purple Heart for all you knew.  The disadvantage was, we took it for granted too much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the boomers had the great advantage and simultaneous disadvantage of having these heros as our parents.  My dad served in WW2.  So did almost all the parents of my friends, and our teachers, and the mailman, and the milkman, and the pharmacist.  They didn&#8217;t brag about what they did.  But they all contributed to preserving our freedom and our very lives.  They may not have looked like John Wayne, but that quiet little guy that lived across the street and sold suits may have won a Purple Heart for all you knew.  The disadvantage was, we took it for granted too much.</p>
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		By: maneocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[maneocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 14:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oldflyer,

Here you go:
http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/07/22/obama-denounces-d-day-landings/

I have heard about it soon after that speech.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldflyer,</p>
<p>Here you go:<br />
<a href="http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/07/22/obama-denounces-d-day-landings/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2008/07/22/obama-denounces-d-day-landings/</a></p>
<p>I have heard about it soon after that speech.</p>
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		By: david foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 13:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Today, if the same things had occurred (particularly if under the aegis of the Bush administration), they would be labeled unforgivable errors rather than the inevitable difficulties inherent in waging war&quot;....prior to D-Day, there was a dry-run invasion, and it was indeed a catastrophere:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://photoncourier.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_photoncourier_archive.html#111806763624856614&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Before D-Day, there was Dieppe&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Today, if the same things had occurred (particularly if under the aegis of the Bush administration), they would be labeled unforgivable errors rather than the inevitable difficulties inherent in waging war&#8221;&#8230;.prior to D-Day, there was a dry-run invasion, and it was indeed a catastrophere:</p>
<p><a href="http://photoncourier.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_photoncourier_archive.html#111806763624856614" rel="nofollow">Before D-Day, there was Dieppe</a>.</p>
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