“Feminists for Life”
“Pro-Life Alliance of Gays and Lesbians”
“Pro-Lifers Against Clinic Violence”
“Libertarians for Life” – founded by Doris Gordon, an atheist

Thanks. On the list.

Eugenics used to be all the rage. Planned Parenthood founder [Margaret Sager] was a major proponent. Given the gross ethnic bunching of abortion “procedures” one could say that “Zee dream has Komt true” … incrementalism work!

Thank you for your meaningful post about enablers and German Nietzschean Social Darwinism.

If you want to learn how the kappos and enablers got inside our gates you can read:
Intended Consequences: Birth Control, Abortion, and the Federal Government in Modern America
by Donald T. Critchlow

I’ve enjoyed discussing this with you.

“The British captive was killed so that he, and with him the British state, may taste a tiny portion of what innocent Muslims taste every day at the hands of the Crusader and Jewish coalition to the east and to the west of the world,” the statement said.”

And team Obama thinks we need not worry about holding Gitmo jihadists in American high security prisons …

hmmm …

“A senior U.S. official tells FOX News that more targets were found on the computer of a man charged in the fatal shooting at a military recruiting center in Arkansas – suggesting the accused gunman may have been part of a larger plot to attack military targets and may not have been acting alone.

The latest information seemed to contradict a local police official’s denial earlier Tuesday that the shooting was part of a larger conspiracy, though details of possible accomplices and their involvement weren’t immediately disclosed.”

http://www.foxnews.com/stor/0,2933,524833,00.html

… a day care center …

perhaps President Obama should have a private heart to heart conservation with former VP Cheney …

he might also might do well to ponder the fate of the children of Beslan … and how much time he will be afforded to negotiate a release.

First trolls, now orcs?!?!?

We need higher ramparts.

Some say the Orcs are insurgents or even freedom fighters. They greatly contributed to civilization once upon a time …..

Some say that babies can be quite inconvenients …

will you stop with the cultural mash up crapola?

it doesnt make you sound smart but to other idiots, and its like trying to clean up with a nudist epileptic with explosive diarhea…

in fact i said the real view was a supposition of states depending on which mental spin you want to color reality with.

you obviously subscribe to the thought that the mother determins personhood like a slave holder does.

you have to be VERY carful debatig with me, as you cant tell what position i subscribe to by how i debate!!!!!!!!!!!!!

most of the time i am showing that once you allow the immoral act in, there is no happy solution.

which was the point of my post…

that there was no way to reconcile the propagandic spins…

Can you Artfldgr present a coherent argument that the death of Dr. Tiller will indeed save actual lives?

sure i can..

I expect that you will find that you will have to weave terror and mass killing of abortionists into your calculations before you can demonstrate a plausible decrease in the actual death toll of the innocent.

not at all…

lets first state your premise in a way that we can discuss it.

your first paragraph gave a futility argument. why bother to lock away murders and killers and criminals beacuse another criminal will come along.

right? well, i dont think i have to debate that point now that i put it in terms that arent so clouded.

do you actually subscribe to no prisons beause its futile for whiping out all crime? i dont think so. but you let me know (i know that you might say so just so you can pretend to win the argument).

ok… so obviously the futility argument is invalid. you dont not bild a dam because someday it will be gone. if that was the case, then there is no point to doing anything, becasue the universe itself isnt even permanent!

ok.. onward.

i can show that today, tillman is not providing abortion services. that for a while, there will be one less capitalist business providing a presumptive muturally benificial transaction (that later is too often regretted, but caveat emptor, and buyers remorse is not an argument against it)

he is the doctor that does the actual acts, so thats how. he ALSO does the latest term abortions. which means that a delay of having one of a day or so, can mean giving birth to a live baby!!!

[you obviously didnt follow my link where you could read about the one armed child that was delivered after the doctor ripped her arm off. back then obamas law wasnt in place so she was allowed to become a person since she lived. but with obamas law the intent of the mother do deny personhood can be followed outside the womb and persue the little living being that is on its own, and finish the job.]

so i know, and can give names of those who survives such abortoins without the death of the doctor.

is it safe to assume that if there was no doctor at all, their surivial just went up by leaps and bounds? that nurses (excdept in california) cant do this job? that they have to spend time to find and hire anotehr doctor?

so there was no contorting necessary to show that if the doctor that does the operations is dead, he cant do the perations any more.

will you argue with that logic?

and that the lag between his absence and the replacement of such creates a window where the time to birth is smalelr than the time to reoplacement of usch a doctor. so for a short time, fewer will die.

so i didnt have to show terror or anything.

all i had to show was that the person doing the job cand do it from a coffin or an urn.

do you concur?

now lets get to the interesting part and why i even bothered.

also think you will find that the necessary moral standing to make the necessary moral argument against abortion is fatally compromised by the use of murder to stop abortion.

not at all.

thats because i understand morals. and in the past those that did these things didnt need a moral excuse to free them from it.

does the murder of hitler absolve the murderer of moral crimes?

well, as a liberal with situational morals, you think that it does!!!!!!!!!

but i dont. i dont think that one can kill someone for a reason and that reason (other than direct immediate self defense), be moral.

i do not agree with the fruit bat that shot him.. becaause all the moral argumetns to doing an immoral thing and sacrifice oneself this way do not apply!!!!!!!

soldiers and kings are nobel bcause they know that the actions required of them will damn them for all time.

they, unlike our relativists and flaky moralists (like you), understood that their acts were moral acts of immorality.

you on the other hand have such a contorted vioew of things and are making such a dare to me because you are comfortable with the situational moral absolutive argument of the socialists, that you think i have to contort myself or the story to resovle it.

no no no… because my morals are not situational as your are, i CANT argue that the morality of the outcome makes an act moral.

[edited for length by neo-neocon]

Wichita abortionist George Tiller offers a memorial service in his facility after he performs a partial-birth abortion. The mom and the dad in the pictures below paid Tiller a few thousand dollars to kill Tess, their baby girl. A pro-life sidewalk counselor had failed in her effort to dissuade the mother from entering the abortion mill, but did succeed in giving her address to the mom. Afterward, the mother and the pro-lifer corresponded and became friends. In that way, the pro-life community obtained these photos. We at KGOV.com have decided to share with our listeners the mother’s pain, and the photographic proof of the depravity of abortionists, in hopes of furthering our battle against legalized child killing.

the link below is a scan of the mothers letter.
http://www.moonbattery.com/confession.gif

THIS is why women are unhappy. they are too gullible to others outside influences

(which maybe why most cultures protect them, as did ours till we threw the sheep in with the wolves).

women live huge lives of regret because thats what you get when you follow the collectives advice and realize that you werent really a part of it, and so forth.

with women, all this stuff overlaps, since they are the ones with a dictating leadership telling them waht it is to be a woman, what women do, what they can or cant wear, and on and on (mostly through fun sassy and kicky articles).

this mother showed that she was mentally dysgenic

regardless of what you want to spin it too, she is less a good mom than another who could not be tricked into killilng her own offspring voluntarily (And not have any one to blame and so no one to stop)

the contrast between the letter and the pictures and how the pictures woke the mother up are a real eye opener.

basically the majority are not capable of doing the same things a sociopathic fringe minority can, and end up sick and such when they try. some women love to be sluts and used, but thats not most of them. some dont care if they have an abortion, but thats not most of them. and the ability of the few, and the pretenders that cover the problem, all mak e the rest gullible to copy them.

now we are financing that same misery in other countries…