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		By: Foxfier		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/05/11/health-insurance-overhaul-the-preview/#comment-109372</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foxfier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 16:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know that, of the ten or so folks that I know in my folks&#039; home valley who either have breast cancer or got a knee replacement, only my mom had full insurance to cover it, and she&#039;s the only one still paying for it-- the rest didn&#039;t, and the gov&#039;t paid for the whole thing.  The breast cancer folks besides mom don&#039;t even have to pay as much for their meds as mom does-- they pay ten bucks, she pays half.

(Highly selective sample because *EVERYONE* who has either of those two things now talks to my mom for reassurance.  Drives her INSANE because all but one of the folks involved is very, very well of-- they just don&#039;t bother with insurance.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that, of the ten or so folks that I know in my folks&#8217; home valley who either have breast cancer or got a knee replacement, only my mom had full insurance to cover it, and she&#8217;s the only one still paying for it&#8211; the rest didn&#8217;t, and the gov&#8217;t paid for the whole thing.  The breast cancer folks besides mom don&#8217;t even have to pay as much for their meds as mom does&#8211; they pay ten bucks, she pays half.</p>
<p>(Highly selective sample because *EVERYONE* who has either of those two things now talks to my mom for reassurance.  Drives her INSANE because all but one of the folks involved is very, very well of&#8211; they just don&#8217;t bother with insurance.)</p>
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		By: Cecil T.Loter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cecil T.Loter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 02:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For the obesity problem it&#039;s simple. cap and trade based on calories or pounds. If it works for emissions why not?
(with tongue firmly planted in cheek)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the obesity problem it&#8217;s simple. cap and trade based on calories or pounds. If it works for emissions why not?<br />
(with tongue firmly planted in cheek)</p>
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		By: Tim P		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/05/11/health-insurance-overhaul-the-preview/#comment-109148</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 20:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rob C said, &lt;i&gt;&quot;There are people who cannot afford boutique medical care. So what? If it bothers you so much, put together a charity to fund it for them.&lt;/i&gt;

Rob, what a smug ass you must be. 

Perhaps in your little world of commenting &#039;bon mots&#039; you consider running out of insurance to cover your treatments for cancer as &#039;botique?&#039; 

Perhaps you consider hospitals dumping emergency room patients at the doors of other hospitals because they don&#039;t have insurance as &#039;boutique?&#039; 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;If it bothers you so much, put together a charity to fund it for them?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
Why don&#039;t you just crawl back under your rock?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob C said, <i>&#8220;There are people who cannot afford boutique medical care. So what? If it bothers you so much, put together a charity to fund it for them.</i></p>
<p>Rob, what a smug ass you must be. </p>
<p>Perhaps in your little world of commenting &#8216;bon mots&#8217; you consider running out of insurance to cover your treatments for cancer as &#8216;botique?&#8217; </p>
<p>Perhaps you consider hospitals dumping emergency room patients at the doors of other hospitals because they don&#8217;t have insurance as &#8217;boutique?&#8217; </p>
<p><i>&#8220;If it bothers you so much, put together a charity to fund it for them?&#8221;</i><br />
Why don&#8217;t you just crawl back under your rock?</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/05/11/health-insurance-overhaul-the-preview/#comment-109123</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The high costs are due to routine care being paid by insurance or medicare, etc. This removes the market constraint on costs. 

The solution is to reform the tax code so that there is no longer a benifit to employer provided insurance, and the phase out of socialist medicine like medicare.

Reality, however, is that the Democrats are not interested in improving the system. They just want to control it. This is really about raw power.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The high costs are due to routine care being paid by insurance or medicare, etc. This removes the market constraint on costs. </p>
<p>The solution is to reform the tax code so that there is no longer a benifit to employer provided insurance, and the phase out of socialist medicine like medicare.</p>
<p>Reality, however, is that the Democrats are not interested in improving the system. They just want to control it. This is really about raw power.</p>
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		By: Rob Crawford		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/05/11/health-insurance-overhaul-the-preview/#comment-109122</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Crawford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The industry isn&#039;t &quot;negotiating&quot; to save themselves; they&#039;re &quot;negotiating&quot; so they&#039;re the ones allowed to run the cartel. 

Oh, and Tim P -- the health care system is not &quot;broken&quot;. There are people who cannot afford boutique medical care. So what? If it bothers you so much, put together a charity to fund it for them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The industry isn&#8217;t &#8220;negotiating&#8221; to save themselves; they&#8217;re &#8220;negotiating&#8221; so they&#8217;re the ones allowed to run the cartel. </p>
<p>Oh, and Tim P &#8212; the health care system is not &#8220;broken&#8221;. There are people who cannot afford boutique medical care. So what? If it bothers you so much, put together a charity to fund it for them.</p>
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		By: waltj		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...a great deal of waste could be rung out of the system if the lawyers were kept at bay and suing health care providers were no longer a get rich quick scheme...&quot;

Per my sister, who&#039;s been an RN for 30 or so years, this is one of the reasons that &quot;unnecessary tests&quot; are run:  CYA, nothing more, nothing less.  For those times when the lawyer asks, &quot;Doctor, I see you ran tests A, B, and C.  Why didn&#039;t you run test D?&quot;
&quot;Well, Counselor, I didn&#039;t think it was necessary.&quot;
&quot;But test D can sometimes detect the disease in question, yes?&quot;
&quot;In very rare cases, yes&quot;.  
&quot;But the chart shows you still didn&#039;t run it.&quot;
&quot;No, Counselor, I didn&#039;t.&quot;  
&quot;No further questions, Your Honor&quot;.  

And so on.  Generally, the physician or insurer settles before trial to save any even bigger payout, but you better believe they pass the costs along to us.  Tort reform isn&#039;t a cure-all for health care costs by any means, but, done right, it would help.  But on the other hand, it shouldn&#039;t go so far as to leave patients (or their survivors) without recourse in cases of genuine malpractice.  As always, the devil is in the details.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;a great deal of waste could be rung out of the system if the lawyers were kept at bay and suing health care providers were no longer a get rich quick scheme&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Per my sister, who&#8217;s been an RN for 30 or so years, this is one of the reasons that &#8220;unnecessary tests&#8221; are run:  CYA, nothing more, nothing less.  For those times when the lawyer asks, &#8220;Doctor, I see you ran tests A, B, and C.  Why didn&#8217;t you run test D?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Well, Counselor, I didn&#8217;t think it was necessary.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;But test D can sometimes detect the disease in question, yes?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;In very rare cases, yes&#8221;.<br />
&#8220;But the chart shows you still didn&#8217;t run it.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;No, Counselor, I didn&#8217;t.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;No further questions, Your Honor&#8221;.  </p>
<p>And so on.  Generally, the physician or insurer settles before trial to save any even bigger payout, but you better believe they pass the costs along to us.  Tort reform isn&#8217;t a cure-all for health care costs by any means, but, done right, it would help.  But on the other hand, it shouldn&#8217;t go so far as to leave patients (or their survivors) without recourse in cases of genuine malpractice.  As always, the devil is in the details.</p>
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		By: daveg		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/05/11/health-insurance-overhaul-the-preview/#comment-109110</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What portion of the &quot;wasteful&quot; spending in healthcare is attributed to Medicaid and Medicare fraud? A considerable amount, I would bet. And this problem will somehow go away when there&#039;s even more gov&#039;t involvement?

I doubt it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What portion of the &#8220;wasteful&#8221; spending in healthcare is attributed to Medicaid and Medicare fraud? A considerable amount, I would bet. And this problem will somehow go away when there&#8217;s even more gov&#8217;t involvement?</p>
<p>I doubt it.</p>
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		By: Dan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/05/11/health-insurance-overhaul-the-preview/#comment-109103</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 11:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just found a WSJ piece today that summarizes the point I was trying to make. I&#039;m sure you will find it yourself. Other commenters should take a look:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124208364853008485.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found a WSJ piece today that summarizes the point I was trying to make. I&#8217;m sure you will find it yourself. Other commenters should take a look:<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124208364853008485.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124208364853008485.html</a></p>
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		By: Dan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/05/11/health-insurance-overhaul-the-preview/#comment-109101</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 11:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The means for cutting down &quot;unnecessary tests and procedures&quot; is quite simple, Neo. The power writing the checks simply refuses to pay for them and forbids the provider from billing the patient outside of the system. This already exists in the practice of Medicare assignment, under which the provider agrees not to do this. Watch for mandated assignment as a feature of Obamacare.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The means for cutting down &#8220;unnecessary tests and procedures&#8221; is quite simple, Neo. The power writing the checks simply refuses to pay for them and forbids the provider from billing the patient outside of the system. This already exists in the practice of Medicare assignment, under which the provider agrees not to do this. Watch for mandated assignment as a feature of Obamacare.</p>
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		By: Foxfier		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/05/11/health-insurance-overhaul-the-preview/#comment-109092</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foxfier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 05:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My sister&#039;s baby was born with club feet, so the Dr.s did a lot of tests.

Including a scan basically to see if he had a brain-- very slight chance, but they had good insurance, and club feet was a possible indicator.

The test came back saying Squeaker was fine-- the poor couple ahead of him... didn&#039;t.

How much do you want to bet that all the tests they&#039;ve done on my nephew would count as &quot;wasteful&quot;?  After all, you should just kill any defective child.  Wouldn&#039;t want someone to be stuck with an imperfect child.

I can think of a &lt;i&gt;lot&lt;/i&gt; of things that become &quot;wasteful&quot; if you are pro-abortion.  Even more if you&#039;re pro-duty to die.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sister&#8217;s baby was born with club feet, so the Dr.s did a lot of tests.</p>
<p>Including a scan basically to see if he had a brain&#8211; very slight chance, but they had good insurance, and club feet was a possible indicator.</p>
<p>The test came back saying Squeaker was fine&#8211; the poor couple ahead of him&#8230; didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>How much do you want to bet that all the tests they&#8217;ve done on my nephew would count as &#8220;wasteful&#8221;?  After all, you should just kill any defective child.  Wouldn&#8217;t want someone to be stuck with an imperfect child.</p>
<p>I can think of a <i>lot</i> of things that become &#8220;wasteful&#8221; if you are pro-abortion.  Even more if you&#8217;re pro-duty to die.</p>
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